DEM Primaries/Candidates thread

[StrangeSox]

For shame Al Gore. The Goracle help start up a corporation which turns over dissident names to the Chinese government, often resulting in execution of the before mentioned dissident. But I think the donated money to Dems, so it's all good. And their motto is something like "do no harm". so it must be true.

 

I thought that was Yahoo.

[mr_genius]

I thought that was Yahoo.

 

Google does it, wouldn't be surprised if Yahoo does too. $$$

[HuskyCaucasian]

from my understanding, an awful lot of Al Gore's current wealth derives from having been a very early investor in The Google.

no no no. He invented the internets.

[southsider2k5]

You may simply know this better than me, but from my understanding, an awful lot of Al Gore's current wealth derives from having been a very early investor in The Google. A lot of the money that has come from his climate work, including his Nobel Prize money and matching funds from his family for those funds have gone in to the Alliance for Climate Protection campaign they just launched.

 

25-30 million came from goog from what I understand. HIs original family fortune actually came from an oil company. After his VP time, he went from worth just barely 7 figures, to well over 9. A great chunk of it came from charging 200K an appearence, but the big part was his investments in the very things that he was pushing us all to do to save the planet. Granted he donated earnings from salary, but no one has really mentioned the ownership shares he has in these companies, which is REALLY what made him ultrarich. Sort of comparable to a CEO talking about his low salary, but getting boatloads of stock options.

 

But really the Gore fortune is relevant only to the way that they are being viewed, not from where it came from. They both got BIG TIME rich after their terms, but it seems bad only in the Clinton's case... Which doesn't make sense to me.

[Balta1701]

Mark Penn reportedly FINALLY stepping down from the Clinton campaign.

[BigSqwert]

Mark Penn reportedly FINALLY stepping down from the Clinton campaign.

That's a plus for her campaign if you ask me.

[Balta1701]

That's a plus for her campaign if you ask me.

Ok, so with a little bit more detail now, here's the actual press release they released.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

April 6, 2008

 

Contact: Press Office, 703-875-1271

[email protected]

 

Statement from Maggie Williams

 

After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as Chief Strategist of the Clinton Campaign; Mark, and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign.

 

Geoff Garin and Howard Wolfson will coordinate the campaign's strategic message team going forward.

In other words...he's out...but up, hey, he's still going to be raking in the money from them, his firm is still there, and he still has some sort of role.

 

It's seriously like Rasputin with Penn and the Clintons. DHMI nails it here.

[HuskyCaucasian]

FYI:

ARG, a typically pro-Clinton poll (I reference her connections to the owner of the poll company and their Clinton +12 prediction in Iowa), has Obama and Clinton tied in Penn. A week and a half ago they had her +12.

 

http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/padem8-704.html

[HuskyCaucasian]

109 million reasons for a nine point lead?

 

 

 

[BigSqwert]

Today's superdelegate watch:

 

Obama 221

Clinton 245

 

The gap seems to be getting narrower as the campaign moves on.

[Balta1701]

GOD D*MN IT! We spent like the whole 3 years I was working with Union Board trying to get Dave Matthews to play a show at IU, he played at Purdue while I was at the school, we knew it would make a fortune but we just couldn't pull it off, and now, the Obama campaign manages to make it happen. BAH!

[HuskyCaucasian]

Clinton is giving a speech during the Petraeus thing today. Ask him a damn question! This is not a forum, for speeches. It's a place to ask questions.

[Balta1701]

Survey USA hits up Oregon. Obama 52, HRC 42.

 

The delegate math at this point says that HRC basically needs a solid to gargantuan win in every state to make up the 100 or so delegates she's back with only 20% of the voters left to go. If all that happens is Obama carries North Carolina and Oregon, that finishes it. PA would be nice because that finishes it even earlier.

[BigSqwert]

PA would be nice because that finishes it even earlier.

The polls are getting tighter each time a new one comes out.

[Balta1701]

The polls are getting tighter each time a new one comes out.

Still, I think that while mathematically a narrow win might officially finish her, a narrow win and I think she still stays in the race until she loses in NC.

[NorthSideSox72]

Still, I think that while mathematically a narrow win might officially finish her, a narrow win and I think she still stays in the race until she loses in NC.

On the other hand, if Obama wins PA, I think she throws in the towel.

 

[HuskyCaucasian]

VP thoughts:

I dont think Obama or Clinton will take a current House or Senante member to be his VP. I do not think the democrats want to remove any sitting democrats from their seat and have the chance of loosing it to a republican in an election.

[Balta1701]

VP thoughts:

I dont think Obama or Clinton will take a current House or Senante member to be his VP. I do not think the democrats want to remove any sitting democrats from their seat and have the chance of loosing it to a republican in an election.

So what you're saying is, the Dems should allow McCain to win the election in November, because it removes Joe Lieberman from the Senate and puts a Democrat in that seat?

[Balta1701]

A couple more 3 am ads are now available.

 

[HuskyCaucasian]

Pennsylvania Polls are Officially All over the map:

Clinton +8.0

Clinton +12.0

Clinton +5.0

Obama +2.0

Clinton +11.0

Clinton +3.0

Clinton +6.0

Tie

Clinton +18.0

Clinton +5.0

 

All these since March 31st!

Edited April 9, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000

[HuskyCaucasian]

So what you're saying is, the Dems should allow McCain to win the election in November, because it removes Joe Lieberman from the Senate and puts a Democrat in that seat?

Well, it would be nice to see Lieberman gone. What I am saying is I THINK he will consider other sources. Maybe a sitting gov. like Richardson. Maybe a military general. i dunno. I am just putting out a theory.

[bmags]

I have always felt Richardson would be great for his foreign policy skills and Hispanic pull.

 

Others have brought to my attention maybe it would be wise to inquire on Bloomberg and hammer the heck out of the economy.

 

I still think having someone so experienced like Richardson may quell some fears of Obama inexperience, even though I question how much it matters in reality.

[Rex Kickass]

The Governor of Connecticut is a Republican. Joe Lieberman leaving the Senate would be akin to Joe Lieberman caucusing with the Republicans.

[HuskyCaucasian]

I have always felt Richardson would be great for his foreign policy skills and Hispanic pull.

 

Others have brought to my attention maybe it would be wise to inquire on Bloomberg and hammer the heck out of the economy.

 

I still think having someone so experienced like Richardson may quell some fears of Obama inexperience, even though I question how much it matters in reality.

I like either of them. I was going to suggest Bloomburg months ago, but I thought I would get shouted down. As time rolls on, it appears to be more and more of a possibility.

[bmags]

still, a ticket of a first time senator and a mayor of a city just one shot away from president would have the silly people still thinking experience is an issue worried even more.