DEM Primaries/Candidates thread

[sox4lifeinPA]

Typically wag incresses are phase din over several years. i would think 4 in this case. She says "i'll increase it to $9.5" and people hear "tomorrow, your pay goes up".

 

 

are you drinking or speaking ebonics?

[Balta1701]

I think so, too... but it depends on just how much momentum Obama has. He's not going to endorse a loser.

At this point, I'd be very surprised to see more than a few token endorsements from old friends/people in Texas or Ohio coming for Clinton. I think that a lot of people are seeing that she's on the ropes, and they don't want to be caught if she does go down. There might be a few more people who gamble on Obama being the nominee right now and actually come forwards, trying to get on his good side by being in there before the last big tide comes in if he does finish her off. No one with any eye towards their personal future would endorse Hillary right now.

[HuskyCaucasian]

are you drinking or speaking ebonics?

i was typing too fast. When i type too fast, letters tend to be missed and spaces put in the wrong spot.

[Texsox]

BTW, Hillary is in town today. Big rally. I assume Cantu has another bundle for her.

[bmags]

come on, they are both in her party, it's not like she's choosing which presidential candidate of both parties she'll choose so she'll be in special favor.

 

referring to pelosi : edit

Edited February 13, 2008 by bmags

[Balta1701]

Hillary on CNN just said that she'll raise the minimum wage to $9.50 an hour... Lord no wonder the uneducated flock to her. What a pipe dream. That would cripple the economy and she knows it (unless of course she's a stupid as the people she counts on voting for her.)

You know if y'all would just allow us to index the minimum wage to inflation so that it goes up by the inflation rate, you'd never have to hear about this being a political issue again, and I wouldn't have to note that the minimum wage was far higher in total value when you consider inflation when it was first introduced than where it is now (i.e. it didn't cripple the economy then).

[Texsox]

I think his momentum has a lot of people looking at him who did not six months ago. What is the buzz? Why are other people liking him? Seems normal to me.

[103 mph screwball]

Hell, why not, I can spare $5.01.

 

That matters. Five dollar donations add up. Even more importantly however, is the number of people donating. I feel this is why Obama's website switched the goal from amount raised to the number of unique donors (currently >422,000). He will be able to go to super delegates and show the huge number of people dedicated enough to take their time to find Obama’s website and donate money. Matching donations are great as well. It encourages another person who might not feel a small donation would matter to give the perception that the donation counts double and there is an option for those people to be able to contact each other via email.

[Texsox]

Dear James,

 

With eight consecutive victories, and a momentum for change that is rolling across the nation -- in caucuses and primaries, East Coast and West Coast, the South and the Midwest, Barack Obama is on the move, smashing the old stereotypes into a million different pieces.

 

 

 

 

This blew me away: in Barack’s victory in Virginia last night, he won 142,000 more votes than all of the Republicans combined, and his victory margin over Senator Clinton was larger than John McCain’s entire vote total. All of this, in what the Old Guard liked to pretend was "red state" Virginia.

 

When Barack and I rode together in the motorcade in Charleston, South Carolina on the day I gave him my endorsement, we talked about the three-million-member-strong johnkerry.com community. We both agreed that this email list was a community of supporters, not an ATM machine.

 

And so these last weeks, as I’ve talked with you, as Barack introduced himself to you, as Ted Kennedy talked about Barack’s commitment to health care for all, and Gov. Tim Kaine talked about Barack’s ability to unite our country -- we haven’t asked you to dig into your pockets. We’ve asked you to get to know Barack, to study his positions, to make phone calls to your neighbors, to go door to door -- to get involved.

 

But today, I ask you to consider making a contribution as the campaign enters a new phase. Wisconsin, Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania -- the next big contests in this campaign are big media market states, huge states that are expensive to build statewide field organizations in, and Barack has a lot of ground to make up. To win, Barack can use all of our help.

 

Click here to donate what you can.

 

So there it is. I know not everyone here is an Obama supporter, and diversity of opinion is a strength, not a weakness of our community -- but you’ve "had my back" in so many fights these last years, I knew I could ask you to consider signing up for another mission.

 

I have to tell you, this campaign has me excited. Excited, because I have seen so much hope out there as I’ve traveled the country for Barack. Excited, because as frustrated as I’ve been that the three words "George W. Bush" silenced any conversation at dinner tables around the country the last eight years, I think we’ve found three words that will open a conversation across the old divides, regardless of race, religion, gender, or income level -- and those three words are "President Barack Obama".

 

So please, click here to contribute what you can for Barack's campaign.

 

I care about making this happen. I care about seeing Barack Obama win against John McCain in a way that will break the Republican Roadblock in the Senate and grow our progressive majority in the Congress.

 

Please dig deep -- I know we can do this.

 

This feels like the moment that got me and my generation to care about politics -- and I want it to be the moment that millions more start to care for the first time, or to care again, the way that you and I do now.

 

 

Thank you,

John Kerry

 

 

[kapkomet]

Excited, because as frustrated as I've been that the three words "George W. Bush" silenced any conversation at dinner tables around the country the last eight years, I think we’ve found three words that will open a conversation across the old divides, regardless of race, religion, gender, or income level -- and those three words are "President Barack Obama".

 

F*CK you, John Kerry.

 

That is just f***ing stupid. Yea, we all sit around at night and do nothing but b**** about "George W Bush". And then you all wonder why I hate these f***ers. Like we need that rhetoric right now. That's why you're not in the White House, you asshole.

Edited February 13, 2008 by kapkomet

[Texsox]

F*CK you, John Kerry.

 

That is just f***ing stupid. Yea, we all sit around at night and do nothing but b**** about "George W Bush". And then you all wonder why I hate these f***ers. Like we need that rhetoric right now.

Shop talk when you are in the industry.

[103 mph screwball]

Obama now leads in pledged and total delegates (including MI and FL), states won, popular vote (including MI and FL), and national polls. According to the "experts" Clinton will need to win by 60% or more in her firewall states. I think that would be very tough seeing that he will likely win 10 states in a row leading up to March 4th.

 

This is all good news but, the biggest enemy to Obama’s campaign would be complacency. If his supporters feel he has it locked up and stop waiting in line to vote for him, it could lead to a messy convention. Obama supporters need to keep donating, encouraging other supporters to donate, make calls, send out post cards, and point people to his website. “Yes We Can” is great slogan. Encourage people to go to his site and read his detailed plans.

[kapkomet]

Shop talk when you are in the industry.

 

But it isn't. Obama doesn't say that. I just wonder if that's why he's actually winning, because he doesn't say that s***? Of course, Kerry is for him.

[Texsox]

But it isn't. Obama doesn't say that. I just wonder if that's why he's actually winning, because he doesn't say that s***? Of course, Kerry is for him.

 

I think if you are in the industry you have different politiocal discussions then people who are not. I also think the as a country we talk less about Bush then we did Clinton, but CLinton gave us more stuff to talk about.

 

I also think the we talk about candidates and what ifs more than we talk about what is.

 

And finally industry insiders have a warped sense about what Americans are talking about.

[southsider2k5]

proof that if Edwards endorses it'll be for Hillary.

 

That's straight out of Edwards' policy book. That EXACT amount. Combine that with her healthcare, her adopting his rhetoric, and her vowing to fight for the poor? It only makes sense.

I think an endoresement in this case is too late. He really needed to endorse before Super Tuesday if he wanted to have any effect on the race.

[Reddy]

F*CK you, John Kerry.

 

That is just f***ing stupid. Yea, we all sit around at night and do nothing but b**** about "George W Bush". And then you all wonder why I hate these f***ers. Like we need that rhetoric right now. That's why you're not in the White House, you asshole.

 

how is that different than Mitt saying a vote for a dem is a vote for surrender to terrorism?

 

you say things to your base that you know they'll agree with, however asinine it may be. no reason to get all riled up about it...

[Reddy]

I think an endoresement in this case is too late. He really needed to endorse before Super Tuesday if he wanted to have any effect on the race.

 

that may very well be true.

[southsider2k5]

how is that different than Mitt saying a vote for a dem is a vote for surrender to terrorism?

 

you say things to your base that you know they'll agree with, however asinine it may be. no reason to get all riled up about it...

 

Its not. And I would be willing to bet that you would see probably Kap ripping Mitt in the GOP thread over that same speech.

[Texsox]

Its not. And I would be willing to bet that you would see probably Kap ripping Mitt in the GOP thread over that same speech.

 

And most of the people here. Overall, the regular posters here are pretty fair bunch and call both sides out with equal zeal.

[kapkomet]

how is that different than Mitt saying a vote for a dem is a vote for surrender to terrorism?

 

you say things to your base that you know they'll agree with, however asinine it may be. no reason to get all riled up about it...

I think a couple others already addressed it, but I will since it was addressed to me.

 

Mitt Romney is just as much of an assbag as John Kerry, and hell, maybe moreso in my mind, seeing as how he flip flopped even more then Kerry. The rhetoric that all things evil it's George Bush's fault and all things wussified re: the war on terror is the Democrat's fault needs to stop. It's petty, bulls***, and has seen its time in the sun. We need to deal with issues, not spewing bulls*** from these old school politicians.

[Balta1701]

Btw, for those who say that Obama never talks about policy...he gave a long economic policy speech today.

[Reddy]

Btw, for those who say that Obama never talks about policy...he gave a long economic policy speech today.

 

... so we're going with the better late than never idea?

 

[DBAHO]

Better late than never Barack!

[103 mph screwball]

He can do both. He can give enthusiastic speeches to inspire and motivate people. He also can give you detailed policy plans from the top of his head without notes. Detailed issue by issue plans are available from his website. I understand that there will be good Americans who have different opinions, but the notion that Obama is all fluff and catch phrases is ludicrous. He taught the Constitution and has written whole books of his ideas. I prefer his detailed plans. The evening news needs the 30 seconds of video to capture what might have been an entire day of campaigning. I would love to see him debate without time restrictions. Ask the candidates questions and let them give complete answers without dumbing it down.

[bmags]

That would last forever.