DEM Primaries/Candidates thread

[Balta1701]

Here we go again...

 

As to the tax returns, I'm not sure why that should be anyone's business, honestly. The one reason I wouldn't mind them being released, however, is the fact that she always claims that the Bush Administration has benefitted "the wealthy and the well-connected." What are the Clinton's if not wealthy and well-connected?

What we do know is that Mr. Clinton has allowed donors to use his influence to advance their business interests. That was the case with Frank Giustra, a Canadian mining financier, who won a huge mining concession in Kazakhstan after Mr. Clinton flew all the way to Almaty to introduce him to President Nursultan Nazarbayev. Bloomberg reported this week that Mr. Clinton has also been a frequent flyer on Mr. Giustra's corporate jet.

 

Mr. Giustra later donated $31.3 million to the Clinton Foundation and has pledged $100 million more. As the New York Times has reported, Mr. Clinton used his trip to praise Mr. Nazarbayev's bid to head the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, even as Senator Clinton was slamming the country's record on corruption and elections. If Mr. Clinton's personal business is going to affect U.S. foreign policy, he ought to tell the world who his benefactors are.

 

We've seen this nondisclosure before. During the 1992 campaign, the Clintons claimed to be coming clean by releasing their tax returns from 1980 forward. But they steadfastly refused to release their returns for prior years, and only later did we learn that 1978 and 1979 were the tax years when Mrs. Clinton reported her 10,000% cattle-futures trading profit. Remember Red Bone and Jim Blair, and how she claimed she had made the investment on her own after reading the Wall Street Journal? For that matter, remember the other characters who provided cash for the Clintons in return for nights in the Lincoln Bedroom, among other things?

 

Senator Clinton has said she'll make her tax returns public only if she wins the Democratic nomination. Mr. Clinton has said he'll disclose his future donors only if she is President. Once again they're trying to block disclosure until it's too late to inform the judgment of voters.

I can give a WSJ example of why it matters.

[BigSqwert]

2 more superdelegates endorse Obama today. 48 more to go.

[BigSqwert]

Snippet from Obama email I just received:

 

bigsqwert --

 

Our projections show the most likely outcome of yesterday's elections will be that Hillary Clinton gained 187 delegates, and we gained 183.

 

That's a net gain of 4 delegates out of more than 370 delegates available from all the states that voted.

 

For comparison, that's less than half our net gain of 9 delegates from the District of Columbia alone. It's also less than our net gain of 8 from Nebraska, or 12 from Washington State. And it's considerably less than our net gain of 33 delegates from Georgia.

 

The task for the Clinton campaign yesterday was clear. In order to have a plausible path to the nomination, they needed to score huge delegate victories and cut into our lead.

 

They failed.

[southsider2k5]

I can give a WSJ example of why it matters.

 

The industry term is "bucketing trades"

[BigSqwert]

In order to sustain the momentum please donate to the Clinton campaign:

 

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/

[NorthSideSox72]

CNN reporting (on TV, no link) that delegations from MI and FL met in DC, trying to find a way to get their delegates counted. No one from DNC was there.

 

The Dems are in a tough spot here. If you just suddenly go award delegates for those states, there would be a mutiny inside the party and within its voters (myself included). But if you leave them out, you jeopardize November.

 

Now, Howard Dean of the DNC reiterated that the rules will be followed, period. So he doesn't sound like he is budging.

 

But one possibility that could come up is having new primaries for each.

 

 

 

[Balta1701]

Now, Howard Dean of the DNC reiterated that the rules will be followed, period. So he doesn't sound like he is budging.

 

But one possibility that could come up is having new primaries for each.

Here is Dean's full statement:

"We're glad to hear that the Governors of Michigan and Florida are willing to lend their weight to help resolve this issue. As we've said all along, we strongly encourage the Michigan and Florida state parties to follow the rules, so today's public overtures are good news. The rules, which were agreed to by the full DNC including representatives from Florida and Michigan over 18 months ago, allow for two options. First, either state can choose to resubmit a plan and run a party process to select delegates to the convention; second, they can wait until this summer and appeal to the Convention Credentials Committee, which determines and resolves any outstanding questions about the seating of delegates. We look forward to receiving their proposals should they decide to submit new delegate selection plans and will review those plans at that time. The Democratic Nominee will be determined in accordance with party rules, and out of respect for the presidential campaigns and the states that did not violate party rules, we are not going to change the rules in the middle of the game.

 

"Through all the speculation, we should also remember the overwhelming enthusiasm and turnout that we have already seen, and respect the voters of the ten states who have yet to have their say.

 

"As we head towards November, our nominee must have the united support of a strong Democratic Party that's ready to fight and ready to beat John McCain. After seven years of Republican rule, I am confident that we will elect a Democratic president who will fight for America's families in the White House. Now we must hear from the voters in twelve states and territories who have yet to make their voices heard."

[KipWellsFan]

Original NAFTA leak was about Hillary Clinton's assuring of Canada, NOT OBAMA!

 

But the story that reverberated through the U.S. presidential campaign began as a terse, almost throwaway remark that Mr. Brodie made to journalists from CTV, according to people familiar with the events.

 

Mr. Brodie, during the media lockup for the Feb. 26 budget, stopped to chat with several journalists, and was surrounded by a group from CTV.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper's chief of staff Ian Brodie watches from the back of the room during a photo op before the government caucus meeting on Parliament Hill in Ottawa Wednesday.

 

The conversation turned to the pledges to renegotiate the North American free-trade agreement made by the two Democratic contenders, Mr. Obama and New York Senator Hillary Clinton.

 

Mr. Brodie, apparently seeking to play down the potential impact on Canada, told the reporters the threat was not serious, and that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign had even contacted Canadian diplomats to tell them not to worry because the NAFTA threats were mostly political posturing.

 

The Canadian Press cited an unnamed source last night as saying that several people overheard the remark.

 

The news agency quoted that source as saying that Mr. Brodie said that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign called and was "telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt."

 

The story was followed by CTV's Washington bureau chief, Tom Clark, who reported that the Obama campaign, not the Clinton's, had reassured Canadian diplomats.

 

Mr. Clark cited unnamed Canadian sources in his initial report.

 

There was no explanation last night for why Mr. Brodie was said to have referred to the Clinton campaign but the news report was about the Obama campaign. CTV president Robert Hurst declined to comment.

 

Full Story

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

Edited March 6, 2008 by KipWellsFan

[NorthSideSox72]

Here is Dean's full statement:

Hm. Less direct than the snippet on the tube. One of the rules allows for a re-do of a primary, the other says basically that they can appeal to DNC. Either way, they won't just go with the results from before - so that's good.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

Original NAFTA leak was about Hillary Clinton's assuring of Canada, NOT OBAMA!

Full Story

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

Whoa. That's kind of an important mistake.

 

[fathom]

Whoa. That's kind of an important mistake.

 

I'm shocked a mistake like this would be made that would help out Clinton.

[KipWellsFan]

Whoa. That's kind of an important mistake.

 

For once I'll agree with that song... "Blame Canada!"

[Balta1701]

I'm shocked a mistake like this would be made that would help out Clinton.

I'm even more shocked that the Clintons would use something their campaign was also doing as a way of making the opposing campaign look bad.

[Balta1701]

Rep. Lacy Clay (D-MO), Sen. Barack Obama's Missouri co-chairman and pledged Obama superdelegate, said Obama will gain the support of 50 undecided Democratic superdelegates later this week, according to the Columbia Missourian.

 

Said Clay: "She (Sen. Clinton) will not make up those numbers. This race is over."

Link.

[KipWellsFan]

I'm even more shocked that the Clintons would use something their campaign was also doing as a way of making the opposing campaign look bad.

 

I'm e-mailing that story to every prominent american news agglomerator or blog I can think of.

[KipWellsFan]

Already the top story on Talking Points Memo

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

[bmags]

Link.

 

haha, that's my paper! Go Digmo.com!

[103 mph screwball]

White Sox Group on the Obama site. Join, and maybe he will join Soxtalk. White Sox Fans For Obama

 

[103 mph screwball]

More on Sen. Obama's 50 super delegates rumor here.

 

U.S. Rep. Lacy Clay, Obama’s Missouri co-chairman and pledged Obama superdelegate, said that regardless of the superdelegate mathematics, the campaign is Obama’s. Clay said that later this week, Obama will gain the support of 50 undecided Democratic superdelegates.

Edited March 6, 2008 by 103 mph screwball

[KipWellsFan]

Funny moment on Colbert tonight. Former Secretary of Labor under Clinton, Robert Reich, says he prefers chocolate bunnies (Obama), over marshmallow chicks (Clinton).

Edited March 6, 2008 by KipWellsFan

[Rex Kickass]

More on Sen. Obama's 50 super delegates rumor here.

 

If a number of those delegates previously endorsed Clinton, that could be a huge blow.

[BigSqwert]

White Sox Group on the Obama site. Join, and maybe he will join Soxtalk. White Sox Fans For Obama

Cool. Just joined.

[iamshack]

Funny moment on Colbert tonight. Former Secretary of Labor under Clinton, Robert Reich, says he prefers chocolate bunnies (Obama), over marshmallow chicks (Clinton).

 

This is the guy who Obama always refers to when discussing his healthcare plan, correct?

 

I wonder what that guy must have done/or had done to him to/by the Clintons'....

[southsider2k5]

Original NAFTA leak was about Hillary Clinton's assuring of Canada, NOT OBAMA!

Full Story

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

 

That is just awesome. When Hillary talks about another Bush term in office, she must be talking about if she gets elected. She would absolutely start a 5th term consecutive of lies, deceit and corruption, in the Presidency, because she is already doing it in her campaign!

[BigSqwert]

Since Tuesday morning Obama has gotten 8 superdelegate endorsements. That almost wipes out Clinton's entire gains from Tuesday night.