GOP Primaries/Candidates thread

[StrangeSox]

As far as FOX viewers are "least informed", I will point out that many surveys show Republicans are more educated, successful and smarter than Democrats on average. Also, I'm sure I could conduct a poll that shows people who watch CNN are least informed, it's easy to do. I wouldn't take these things as ultimate proof as there are lurking variables that lead to the implied conclusion. Not to say that all polls are bad, just be weary when they seem to be out to prove a certain political objective.

 

It is what it is. Like the study points out, it's not "liberals know more!," it's more "MSM (including Fox News) is a poor source of information." Fox News just happens to be at the bottom of the barrel. The study doesn't show a clear bias towards liberal or conservative views (again, Limbaugh and O'Reily are ranked high), but it shows that a lot of the MSM has little or no substance.

 

A different study found that 1/2 hour of the Daily Show contains as much news information as 1/2 of any of the cable news networks. That's pathetic.

Edited September 19, 2007 by StrangeSox

[Texsox]

I think the government may have transferred NUKE to the counter cyber-terrorism department and he is practicing by hacking Texsox account

 

Actually hundreds of Kap posts on the subject.

[southsider2k5]

You're the one that seems to think that the Clinton fundraising scandal is being glossed over. Alan B Fabian was the National Finance Co Chair and key fundraiser for the Romney campaign. He was also indicted for 23 counts of fraud in Maryland last month, about the same time as the Hsu story broke.

 

Hillary Clinton returned both the money donated by Hsu, but also the money raised by him.

 

Romney returned the $2300 donation that Fabian made, but none of the other money raised by him.

 

If you search Fabian and Romney in Google News search you come up with 36 hits, half of them blogs.

 

If you search Hsu and Clinton in Google News search you come up with 3,545 hits, clearly swept under the rug because Hillary runs as a Democrat.

 

Compared to the Larry Craig story, the Hsu story WAS swept under the rug. But not because Hillary is a Democrat, but because given the choice between a fundraising scandal, and a politician soliciting sex in a bathroom - most Americans are tuning in to see what happens between men's room stall walls, and not between the lines in a campaign's ledger sheet.

 

I wish they would report the Romney scandal as front page news. I would love to see the current fundraising system exposed to the light of day for all to see the cockroaches that swarm underneath of it.

 

One thing I do want to point out as a major difference between the Fabian and the Hsu stuff, is that the Clinton's have been busted for this kind of stuff before. The reason the OJ story is front page news everywhere is not because he robbed and threatened some people, it is because he already has been in major trouble with the law before. If this were the first time he had been in trouble, no one would care nearly as much as they do now.

 

The Clintons, and major top Democrats, have been there and done this before, and nothing seems to have changed. Even if you discount the 90's stuff as just having Bill, Kerry, and Gore involved, you can't discount her former finance director being indicted two years ago on campaign finance charges. The same stuff keeps happening over and over again, yet there is no big deal here according to most. Do you really think if the Bush's had this much question about how they got their electoral money, it wouldn't be front page news?

[BigSqwert]

The reason the OJ story is front page news everywhere is not because he robbed and threatened some people, it is because he already has been in major trouble with the law before. If this were the first time he had been in trouble, no one would care nearly as much as they do now.

So you think if Emmitt Smith or Dan Marino were charged with 10 felonies they wouldn't be all over the front page?

[southsider2k5]

So you think if Emmitt Smith or Dan Marino were charged with 10 felonies they wouldn't be all over the front page?

It would be even bigger news if they had killed their ex-wife and her lover and gotten away with it.

 

And I did like how you picked that one line out of things, and ignored the rest of it.

[BigSqwert]

It would be even bigger news if they had killed their ex-wife and her lover and gotten away with it.

 

And I did like how you picked that one line out of things, and ignored the rest of it.

I picked that line out because it's ridiculous and false. Vick was never arrested for anything before and look at all the headlines he had.

 

EDIT: I didn't comment on the rest of your post because I am not as informed on those issues.

Edited September 19, 2007 by BigSqwert

[Balta1701]

Politico

Fred Thompson's campaign issued a press release yesterday indicating that they had committed to three debates next month. Included in these was an October 14th forum in New Hampshire to be sponsored by ABC News. The only problem is that there is such no such event.

 

ABC canceled the forum long ago in the interest of equal time, a source at the network said. Because the DNC only sanctioned six debates, ABC had to limit the number they had originally hoped to sponsor. Having held Republican and Democratic debates in Iowa last month -- and planning one more for each party in New Hampshire in January -- the network didn't want to hold a Republican but not a Democratic forum next month.

[Texsox]

Politico

 

Another example of the liberal media trying to make Thompson look bad. I guess he must really be scaring them. Sad they just won't let the American public decide and report on that.

[mr_genius]

It is what it is. Like the study points out, it's not "liberals know more!," it's more "MSM (including Fox News) is a poor source of information." Fox News just happens to be at the bottom of the barrel. The study doesn't show a clear bias towards liberal or conservative views (again, Limbaugh and O'Reily are ranked high), but it shows that a lot of the MSM has little or no substance.

Oh, of course, FOX news watchers are just the dumbest of all the morons. You're right, take it for what it is, and thats what I am doing.

 

Everyone knows the "daily show" is the best source of news, ever. Well, that or the onion, maybe even newsgrouper.

 

 

[mr_genius]

Another example of the liberal media trying to make Thompson look bad. I guess he must really be scaring them. Sad they just won't let the American public decide and report on that.

 

 

You fool. When will you realize the corporate fascist oppressor blood for oil lying people dying government that RUNS these networks. Viva EL CHE !!!!

 

 

ahhhhh! Don't Taze me bro (bzzzzzzzzzz) ahhhhhhh !!!!!

[BigSqwert]

Another example of the liberal media trying to make Thompson look bad. I guess he must really be scaring them. Sad they just won't let the American public decide and report on that.

I honestly don't see why Ron Paul is being completely ignored by the MSM. He seems to connect with a lot of people.

[NorthSideSox72]

I honestly don't see why Ron Paul is being completely ignored by the MSM. He seems to connect with a lot of people.

Same reason why 98% of the news we see about candidates is about the top two or three in each party - laziness. Nevermind that those top two or three candidates don't have anything like 98% of the vote.

 

[BigSqwert]

Same reason why 98% of the news we see about candidates is about the top two or three in each party - laziness. Nevermind that those top two or three candidates don't have anything like 98% of the vote.

I also think it has a lot to do with who can, or are perceived to be able to, raise lots of money.

[mr_genius]

Seriously though, if Ron Paul keeps going to the GOP primary debates I think Sean Hannity might crash the stage and tazer the poor guy. No joke. It could happen. And I like Ron Paul, I'm just worried about his safety.

[NorthSideSox72]

Seriously though, if Ron Paul keeps going to the GOP primary debates I think Sean Hannity might crash the stage and tazer the poor guy. No joke. It could happen. And I like Ron Paul, I'm just worried about his safety.

You're really stuck on this whole taser thing now, aren't you?

 

[mr_genius]

You're really stuck on this whole taser thing now, aren't you?

 

Yea, I guess I have been posting a lot about tazers lately. But just imagine the rating boost for Hannity and Colmes if he did that.

Edited September 20, 2007 by mr_genius

[mr_genius]

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kgzfu_b6v44

[StrangeSox]

Oh, of course, FOX news watchers are just the dumbest of all the morons. You're right, take it for what it is, and thats what I am doing.

 

Everyone knows the "daily show" is the best source of news, ever. Well, that or the onion, maybe even newsgrouper.

 

 

I guess you didn't bother to read the article. They state pretty clearly that TDS viewers are more informed because you have to be informed to enjoy the show -- if you don't know the basic political facts, you won't get any of the jokes.

 

Fox News Channel is terrible when it comes to objectivity and substance. There's really no way around that. What few news programs they have are okay, but its mostly editorial/ opinion programs passed off as news.

[NorthSideSox72]

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kgzfu_b6v44

Awesome. The most honest ticket possible.

 

[mr_genius]

What few news programs they have are okay, but its mostly editorial/ opinion programs passed off as news.

 

 

Seriously though, if someone thinks that the O'reilly Factor or Hannity and Colmes is news, they are fooling themselves. Those are opinion shows, nothing more or less. As far as the other FOX news shows or outlets, they are no worse than most of the news you consider accurate.

 

[Balta1701]

Rudy proposes bringing Israel into NATO:

Rudy Giuliani talked tough on Iran yesterday, proposing to expand NATO to include Israel and warning that if Iran's leaders go ahead with their goal to be a nuclear power "we will prevent it, or we will set them back five or 10 years."

 

...

"I believe the United States and our allies should deliver a very clear message to Iran, very clear, very sober, very serious: They will not be allowed to become a nuclear power. It's just not going to happen," Giuliani said at a midday campaign fundraising lunch.

 

"If they get to the point that they're going to become a nuclear power, we will prevent it, or we will set them back five or 10 years," he added.

 

"It isn't a threat, it's just a reality. And I think if that reality sinks in, there is a better chance that we will never have to use a military option to deal with them," he said.

 

While Giuliani did not explicitly address the implications for Iran of adding Israel to NATO in his speech, his aides later highlighted a 2006 Heritage Foundation paper by Nile Gardiner, a former Thatcher aide who was announced as a new Giuliani adviser yesterday.

 

That step would "leave the mullahs with no illusions about the West's determination to respond to Iran's strategic threat to the region," Gardiner wrote. "Any nuclear or conventional attack on Israel, be it direct or through proxies such as Hezbollah or other terrorist groups, would be met by a cataclysmic response from the West."

 

Adding Israel to NATO has been opposed by France and some other European nations in the past, largely because it would entangle the alliance in the Middle East.

 

Giuliani said expanding NATO would create an international alliance more effective than the UN. He proposed opening NATO to any democratic, responsible country, also naming Australia, India, Singapore and Japan.

[Texsox]

I like his expanded NATO plan.

[southsider2k5]

What no Fred Thompson is a big fat idiot, or other bad GOP news?

 

Anyway, it would be nice if the world would help protect Israel, but I am not about to hold my breath. There is too much anti-semitism in Europe for this to actually happen.

[Texsox]

I agree with most of your post, but is it possible for someone to not give Israel 100% and not be antisemitic? It seems that somehow there are two groups of people, those that agree with Israel 100% and will give them everything, and antisemitic. As soon as someone thinks that Israel is wrong, they get branded. Perhaps that is one small problem that needs to be resolved before progress can be made in that corner of the world? Of course, the problems are so huge, I don't think any of us will be alive to see a true and lasting peace.

[kapkomet]

What no Fred Thompson is a big fat idiot, or other bad GOP news?

 

Anyway, it would be nice if the world would help protect Israel, but I am not about to hold my breath. There is too much anti-semitism in Europe for this to actually happen.

Give it some time.