GOP Primaries/Candidates thread

[southsider2k5]

Romney on Dole:

 

Romney on Dole (a little later):

Mitt Romney, the most consistent man in politics.

 

"What's it going to take for you to drive this car home today?"

[whitesoxfan101]

Boy, if Romney was like that a few days ago, I wont want to see him tonight when his presidential hopes are all but dashed. I must say I am glad it appears he's going to be shut up for good by the voters this evening.

 

And I gotta say the scare tactics of Romney, who has somehow convinced himself he's actually a Reagan Conservative, are gold. Between saying McCain is bad because he's against global warming in West Virginia with stuff like McCain will kill the coal industry, and pretending he is with Rush Limbaugh in the struggle to save the right wing, I want to throw up.

Edited February 5, 2008 by whitesoxfan101

[mr_genius]

"What's it going to take for you to drive this car home today?"

 

[YASNY]

Boy, if Romney was like that a few days ago, I wont want to see him tonight when his presidential hopes are all but dashed. I must say I am glad it appears he's going to be shut up for good by the voters this evening.

 

And I gotta say the scare tactics of Romney, who has somehow convinced himself he's actually a Reagan Conservative, are gold. Between saying McCain is bad because he's against global warming in West Virginia with stuff like McCain will kill the coal industry, and pretending he is with Rush Limbaugh in the struggle to save the right wing, I want to throw up.

 

McCain damn sure isn't a Reagan conservative. He's disgustingly too liberal to call himself a Republican.

[whitesoxfan101]

McCain damn sure isn't a Reagan conservative. He's disgustingly too liberal to call himself a Republican.

 

Romney damn sure isn't a Reagan conservative either, but he tries to claim he is, at least McCain seems to for the most part admit who he is. And McCain is more of an independent than anything else.

[mr_genius]

McCain damn sure isn't a Reagan conservative. He's disgustingly too liberal to call himself a Republican.

 

What do you think his most liberal political issue is? What specifically makes him a liberal?

[YASNY]

Romney damn sure isn't a Reagan conservative either, but he tries to claim he is, at least McCain seems to for the most part admit who he is. And McCain is more of an independent than anything else.

 

Oh hell, gimme a break. I just watched a McCain commercial where he claims to be a true conservative. The man doesn't know the meaning of the word, apparently.

[YASNY]

What do you think his most liberal political issue is? What specifically makes him a liberal?

 

Anyone thats puts his name on a bill with "-Kennedy" is no conservative.

[kapkomet]

What do you think his most liberal political issue is? What specifically makes him a liberal?

A-M-N-E-S-T-Y (any way you slice it, it's A-M-N-E-S-T-Y, you jackass)

 

Being against the tax cuts, before being for them.

 

McCain-Feingold (the biggest piece of s*** legislation in a long time)

 

The "gang of 14" - what a f***wad.

 

McCain-Kennedy (, a CONSERVATIVE???)

 

I'll just START there, and there's lots of other examples.

 

And f*** the "he's just showing leadership"... bull f***ing s***.

[Balta1701]

Anyone thats puts his name on a bill with "-Kennedy" is no conservative.

Well, that knocks out the President.

[kapkomet]

Well, that knocks out the President.

You're damn straight it does.

[YASNY]

Well, that knocks out the President.

 

Who I happen to be very disappointed in when it comes to being a conservative.

[YASNY]

A-M-N-E-S-T-Y (any way you slice it, it's A-M-N-E-S-T-Y, you jackass)

 

Being against the tax cuts, before being for them.

 

McCain-Feingold (the biggest piece of s*** legislation in a long time)

 

The "gang of 14" - what a f***wad.

 

McCain-Kennedy (, a CONSERVATIVE???)

 

I'll just START there, and there's lots of other examples.

 

And f*** the "he's just showing leadership"... bull f***ing s***.

 

Thank you. Each of those points is legit.

[mr_genius]

A-M-N-E-S-T-Y (any way you slice it, it's A-M-N-E-S-T-Y, you jackass)

 

Being against the tax cuts, before being for them.

 

McCain-Feingold (the biggest piece of s*** legislation in a long time)

 

The "gang of 14" - what a f***wad.

 

McCain-Kennedy (, a CONSERVATIVE???)

 

I'll just START there, and there's lots of other examples.

 

And f*** the "he's just showing leadership"... bull f***ing s***.

 

haha, you do realize that the immigration bill McCain was for is a WAY harsher than Reagan's amnesty of illegals right? I thought Reagan was the true conservative all Republicans should aspire to be?

 

So you want basically want a president that refuses to work with the Democrats. Even if there is a compromise to give both sides some things that they want.

 

And who do you support, may I ask. Most of your posts look like this "f*** s*** idiot, a@# f***, pee pee poo, c***. " bla bla bla. I know you think everyone is a 'pube' or a 'f*** a** c***' but besides that you give little information.

Edited February 5, 2008 by mr_genius

[whitesoxfan101]

Oh hell, gimme a break. I just watched a McCain commercial where he claims to be a true conservative. The man doesn't know the meaning of the word, apparently.

 

Hey, I said earlier I'm worried about him suddenly pandering to the social right wingers, so I'm aware of what he's doing. I don't like it either, although for totally different reasons.

[sox4lifeinPA]

haha, you do realize that the immigration bill McCain was for is a WAY harsher than Reagan's amnesty of illegals right? I thought Reagan was the true conservative all Republicans should aspire to be?

 

So you want basically want a president that refuses to work with the Democrats, on everything. .

 

And who do you support, may I ask. Most of your posts look like this "f*** s*** idiot, a@# f***, pee pee poo, c***. " bla bla bla. I know you think everyone is a 'pube' or a 'f*** a** c***' but besides that you give little information.

 

 

shut it man! that's like opening up the ark of the covenant without raybans on!

 

 

[mr_genius]

shut it man! that's like opening up the ark of the covenant without raybans on!

 

whatever

 

it's just funny how these neo-cons think they are "conservatives". yea, 10 trillion dollar deficit, nation building, massive pork spending, all conservative. yea right. It's just radical nonsense, with false claims of being conservative.

[kapkomet]

haha, you do realize that the immigration bill McCain was for is a WAY harsher than Reagan's amnesty of illegals right? I thought Reagan was the true conservative all Republicans should aspire to be?

 

So you want basically want a president that refuses to work with the Democrats. Even if there is a compromise to give both sides some things that they want.

 

And who do you support, may I ask. Most of your posts look like this "f*** s*** idiot, a@# f***, pee pee poo, c***. " bla bla bla. I know you think everyone is a 'pube' or a 'f*** a** c***' but besides that you give little information.

 

I just GAVE you examples. What the hell do you want?

 

Re: you saying to me that most of my posts look like "xxxxxxxxxxx", pot, meet kettle.

 

You realize that at this point in time in our country, you cannot just build 12 million or MORE people into our social welfare program, right?

 

McCain: "oh oh oh let's fine these people and then give them citizenship". (rotates index finger, big whoopie doo doo). It's AMNESTY. Make them all go home and come back the right way through a guest worker program. I'm fine with that.

 

The truth is I don't support ANY of these assbags, because they are all full of s***. ALL OF THEM. McCain is a jackass who stabs the Republican party every time he can for personal gain. John McCain is WHO I call a Re-pube-lican. He's a sellout.

 

 

 

 

 

[YASNY]

I just GAVE you examples. What the hell do you want?

 

Re: you saying to me that most of my posts look like "xxxxxxxxxxx", pot, meet kettle.

 

You realize that at this point in time in our country, you cannot just build 12 million or MORE people into our social welfare program, right?

 

McCain: "oh oh oh let's fine these people and then give them citizenship". (rotates index finger, big whoopie doo doo). It's AMNESTY. Make them all go home and come back the right way through a guest worker program. I'm fine with that.

 

The truth is I don't support ANY of these assbags, because they are all full of s***. ALL OF THEM. McCain is a jackass who stabs the Republican party every time he can for personal gain. John McCain is WHO I call a Re-pube-lican. He's a sellout.

 

When it comes right down to it, there is no candidate in this race that a true conservative can feel good about supporting. Which is why, I believe, both of us have such a s***ty attitude about this election.

[whitesoxfan101]

When it comes right down to it, there is no candidate in this race that a true conservative can feel good about supporting. Which is why, I believe, both of us have such a s***ty attitude about this election.

 

I have no argument with this point, can't see how anybody would. And I've been in the nobody represents me pool enough times to know it sucks, so I feel kind of bad actually.

Edited February 5, 2008 by whitesoxfan101

[kapkomet]

When it comes right down to it, there is no candidate in this race that a true conservative can feel good about supporting. Which is why, I believe, both of us have such a s***ty attitude about this election.

Yes, that's true.

 

For me, the "best" of them is Barack Obama, but I could never vote for the man because he's a socialist. I can respect the man, but I would never vote for him. The rest of these assholes/b**** are pondscum. Period.

[mr_genius]

I just GAVE you examples. What the hell do you want?

 

Re: you saying to me that most of my posts look like "xxxxxxxxxxx", pot, meet kettle.

 

You realize that at this point in time in our country, you cannot just build 12 million or MORE people into our social welfare program, right?

 

McCain: "oh oh oh let's fine these people and then give them citizenship". (rotates index finger, big whoopie doo doo). It's AMNESTY. Make them all go home and come back the right way through a guest worker program. I'm fine with that.

 

The truth is I don't support ANY of these assbags, because they are all full of s***. ALL OF THEM. McCain is a jackass who stabs the Republican party every time he can for personal gain. John McCain is WHO I call a Re-pube-lican. He's a sellout.

 

McCain Kennedy

 

Title I: Border Security

 

* Requires the development of various plans and reports evaluating information-sharing, international and federal-state-local coordination, technology, anti-smuggling, and other border security initiatives

* Establishes a Border Security Advisory Committee made up of various stakeholders in the border region to provide recommendations to the Department of Homeland Security regarding border enforcement

* Encourages the development of multilateral partnerships to establish a North American security perimeter and improve border security south of Mexico

 

Title II: State Criminal Alien Assistance

 

* Reauthorizes the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program that provides reimbursement to state and local governments for incarcerating undocumented aliens convicted of crimes

* Allows for funding to pay for additional criminal justice costs associated with undocumented immigrants charged or convicted of crimes

 

Title III: Essential Worker Visa Program

 

* Creates a new temporary visa to allow foreign workers to enter and fill available jobs that require few or no skills (the H-5A visa)

* Applicants must show that they have a job waiting in the U.S., pay a fee of $500 in addition to application fees, and clear all security, medical, and other checks

* Requires updating of America's Job Bank to make sure job opportunities are seen first by American workers

* Initial cap on H-5A visas is set at 400,000, but the annual limit will be gradually adjusted up or down based on demand in subsequent years

* Visa is valid for three years, and can be renewed one time for a total of 6 years; at the end of the visa period the worker either has to return home or be in the pipeline for a green card

* Visa is portable, but if the worker loses his job he has to find another one within 60 days or return home

* Ensures that employers hiring temporary workers abide by Federal, state and local labor, employment and tax laws

* Prohibits the hiring of temporary workers as independent contractors

* Protects temporary workers from abuse by foreign labor contractors or employers.

* Gives temporary workers and U.S. workers remedies for violations of their rights

* An employer can sponsor the H-5A visa holder for a green card, or after accumulating four years of work in H-5A status, the worker can apply to adjust status on his/her own

* Sets up a task force to evaluate the H-5A program and recommend improvements

 

Title IV: Enforcement

 

* Creates a new electronic work authorization system that will ultimately replace the paper-based, fraud-prone I-9 system, to be phased in gradually

* When operational, the system will be applied universally and cannot be used to discriminate against job applicants

* Individuals will have the right to review and correct their own records; data privacy protections are in place

* Immigration-related documents and US-VISIT will be upgraded to require biometric verification of travelers

* The Department of Labor will have new authority to conduct random audits of employers and ensure compliance with labor laws; also includes new worker protections and enhanced fines for illegal employment practices

 

TITLE V: Promoting Circular Migration Patterns

 

* Requires foreign countries to enter into migration agreements with the U.S. that help control the flow of their citizens to jobs in the U.S., with emphasis on encouraging the re-integration of citizens returning home

* Encourages the U.S. government to partner with Mexico to promote economic opportunity back home and reduce the pressure to immigrate to the U.S.

* Encourages the U.S. government to partner with Mexico on health care access so that the U.S. is not unfairly impacted with the costs of administering health care to Mexican nationals

 

Title VI: Family Unity and Backlog Reduction

 

* Immediate relatives of U.S. citizens are not counted against the 480,000 annual cap on family-sponsored green cards, thereby providing additional visas to the family preference categories

* The current per-country limit on green cards is raised slightly to clear up backlogs

* Income requirements for sponsoring a family member for a green card are changed from 125% of the federal poverty guidelines to 100%, and other obstacles are removed to ensure fairness

* The employment-based categories are revised to provide additional visas for employers who need to hire permanent workers, and the annual cap is raised from 140,000 to 290,000

* Immigrant visas lost due to processing delays are recaptured for future allotments

 

Title VII: Adjustment of Status for H-5B Non-Immigrants

 

* Undocumented immigrants in the U.S. on date of introduction can register for a temporary visa (H-5B), valid for six years

* Applicants have to show work history, clean criminal record, and that they are not a security problem to be eligible for a temporary visa

* They will receive work and travel authorization

* Their spouses and children are also eligible

* In order to qualify for permanent status, workers will have to meet a future work requirement, clear additional security/background checks, pay substantial fines and application fees ($2000 or more per adult) as well as back taxes, and meet English/civics requirements

 

Title VIII: Protection Against Immigration Fraud

 

* Attempts to eliminate the exploitation of immigrants by notarios or other unlicensed immigration law practitioners by imposing new legal requirements on such individuals

* Allows immigrants defrauded by unauthorized legal representatives to file actions against their perpetrators

 

Title IX: Civics Integration

 

* Creates a public-private foundation under the USCIS Office of Citizenship to support programs that promote citizenship and to fund civics and English language instruction for immigrants

* Provides for new money to fund civic and English language instruction for immigrants

 

Title X: Promoting Access to Health Care

* Extends the authorization of federal reimbursements for hospitals that provide emergency care to undocumented immigrants; includes H-5A and H-5B workers in the program

 

Title XI: Miscellaneous

 

* Distributes the fees and fines paid by H-5A and H-5B workers among the DHS and DOS for processing, DHS for border security efforts, DOL for enforcement of labor laws, SSA for development of the employment eligibility confirmation system, hospitals to pay for uncompensated health care, and the USCIS Office of Citizenship for civic integration and English classes

* Requires the dissemination of information related to the provisions of this legislation

* Includes anti-discrimination protections that cover all workers, including H-5A and H-5B visa holders

 

 

And what the hell do you want to do? that doesn't look like this Uber Amnesty program you keep screaming about. Like I want 12 million illegals mooching off the US entitlement programs, I don't even want US citizens doing it. Make some cuts those programs.

 

 

Edited February 5, 2008 by mr_genius

[Texsox]

Another interesting thought for the day... With Obama and Clinton seemingly locked into a 50-50 battle with no end in sight, could the big cash advantage that both of them have over McCain be nullified by a protracted and expensive battle for the Democratic nomination? McCain has the potential with a big super Tuesday to all but bury Mitt Romney. He might not be able to clinch, but he could put a big enough lead up to make it futile for Mitt to keep up the expensive fight. If McCain can obtain early victory he can seemingly sit on the sidelines waiting for the bloodied and well spent Democratic opponent to emerge.

 

The other problem with that is it gives the liberal bias media an excuse to not cover everything McCain is doing, like they would if he had an opponent. So he'd have to spend just to keep momentum rolling.

[YASNY]

Yes, that's true.

 

For me, the "best" of them is Barack Obama, but I could never vote for the man because he's a socialist. I can respect the man, but I would never vote for him. The rest of these assholes/b**** are pondscum. Period.

 

Obama has the ability to inspire this nation like JFK and RWR did. And that may just be what we need right now. However, I am afraid the man may be more of a paper tiger than anything.

[WilliamTell]

that my friend is one of the longest posts I've ever seen on here. Tons of information though.