Rex Hudler Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Charlotte loses 3-2. Diaz with a tough loss. Gload with another 3 hits. CHARLOTTE (2) AT SYRACUSE (3) CHARLOTTE AB R H BI SYRACUSE AB R H BI A Miles 2B 4 0 1 1 R Thompson CF 4 0 0 0 T Hummel 3B 5 0 0 0 J Sequea 2B 4 2 1 0 R Gload 1B 5 0 3 0 J Werth RF 2 1 0 0 M Rivera C 2 0 0 0 S Pond 3B 4 0 1 1 J Borchard CF 4 1 1 0 H Clark 1B 3 0 1 0 R Hankins 1B 4 0 1 0 K Cash C 4 0 2 0 A Sanders LF 4 1 2 1 B Aven LF 4 0 1 2 J Burke DH 4 0 1 0 K Huckaby DH 3 0 0 0 T Nicholson SS 2 0 0 0 G Williams SS 3 0 0 0 S Morgan PH 0 0 0 0 TOTALS 34 2 9 2 TOTALS 31 3 6 3 CHARLOTTE 000 002 000 -- 2 SYRACUSE 000 210 00x -- 3 E--A Miles, T Nicholson. DP--CHARLOTTE 1, SYRACUSE 1. LOB--CHARLOTTE 12, SYRACUSE 8. 2B--J Borchard, A Sanders, S Pond, K Cash. 3B--K Cash. SF--A Miles. IP H R ER BB SO HR CHARLOTTE F Diaz (L,3-5) 6 2-3 5 3 1 4 5 0 A Munoz 1 1-3 1 0 0 0 0 0 SYRACUSE V Chulk (W,3-4) 5 5 0 0 2 4 0 S Cassidy 1-3 3 2 2 1 0 0 J Kershner 2 1-3 0 0 0 2 1 0 K Frederick (S,1) 1 1-3 1 0 0 0 0 0 HBP--M Rivera by V Chulk. SO--CHA: J Burke, J Borchard, T Nicholson, A Sanders, R Hankins. SYR: G Williams, S Pond, B Aven, J Werth, K Cash. BB--CHA: M Rivera 2, S Morgan, J Borchard, T Nicholson. SYR: J Werth 2, K Huckaby, H Clark. T--2:41. A--9,762. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 27, 2003 Author Share Posted June 27, 2003 Barons 5-3 on current 13-game roadtrip... BIRMINGHAM (4) AT JACKSONVILLE (3) BIRMINGHAM AB R H BI JACKSONVILLE AB R H BI D Sandoval 2B 5 0 0 0 S Victorino CF 4 1 2 0 J Piniella LF 4 0 0 0 J Repko LF 3 1 1 0 J Reed RF 4 1 2 0 V Diaz DH 3 0 1 2 G Alvarez 1B 4 1 2 0 B Waszgis C 4 0 1 0 S Bikowski DH 3 1 0 0 B King 3B 4 0 1 0 C Maldonado C 4 0 1 1 D Michaelis 1B 4 1 1 0 J Acevas 1B 3 0 1 1 R Abercrombie RF 4 0 1 0 J Shaffer 3B 0 0 0 0 M Collins 2B 4 0 0 1 G Reyes SS 3 1 1 0 G Dawkins SS 3 0 0 0 C Durham CF 3 0 1 2 TOTALS 33 4 8 4 TOTALS 33 3 8 3 BIRMINGHAM 001 300 000 -- 4 JACKSONVILLE 110 010 000 -- 3 E--B An, G Reyes, B King. DP--BIRMINGHAM 1, JACKSONVILLE 1. LOB--BIRMINGHAM 6, JACKSONVILLE 5. 2B--J Reed, S Victorino, J Repko. 3B--G Reyes. SB--C Maldonado 1 (1), J Reed 1 (4), S Victorino 1 (5), R Abercrombie 1 (17). CS--J Acevas. S--G Reyes, J Repko. SF--J Acevas, V Diaz. IP H R ER BB SO HR BIRMINGHAM B An (W,2-0) 5 1-3 8 3 2 0 4 0 M Smith 2 2-3 0 0 0 0 1 0 R Ring (S,18) 1 0 0 0 0 2 0 JACKSONVILLE T Farmer (L,5-6) 6 8 4 4 0 6 0 J Diaz 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 G Bauer 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 WP--B An, T Farmer 2. HBP--S Bikowski by T Farmer. SO--BIR: J Piniella 2, G Reyes 2, G Alvarez 2, C Maldonado 2, J Acevas. JAC: D Michaelis 3, B Waszgis, M Collins, R Abercrombie, B King. BB--BIR: C Durham. T--2:23. A--6,654. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 27, 2003 Author Share Posted June 27, 2003 Winston wins 6-5. WINSTON-SALEM 6 AT LYNCHBURG 5 YTD YTD WINSTON-SALEM AB R H BI AVG LYNCHBURG AB R H BI AVG R.Yan 2B 3 1 1 1 .307 N.McLouth LF 0 0 0 0 .333 N.Martel RF 4 0 0 0 .255 N.McLouth CF 4 1 1 0 .333 M.Spidale CF 4 1 1 1 .301 B.Chaves SS 3 2 1 0 .278 E.Welsh LF 4 2 2 1 .272 R.Doumit CAT 3 0 0 0 .276 D.Holt LF 0 0 0 0 .277 W.Young 1B 4 1 2 4 .276 B.Becker DH 4 0 0 0 .259 C.Shelton DH 4 1 0 0 .341 C.Rogowski 1B 3 0 1 1 .276 Y.De Caster 3B 4 0 0 0 .243 M.Morse SS 4 0 0 0 .238 V.Buttler CF 1 0 1 1 .284 W.Rosa CAT 3 2 1 1 .250 V.Buttler RF 3 0 0 0 .284 C.Amador 3B 4 0 1 0 .179 S.Bozanich 2B 4 0 1 0 .294 F.Francisco PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 M.Ravelo LF 3 0 0 0 .244 T.Bittner PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Harts RF 1 0 0 0 .228 J.Fields PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Sharber PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.Meaux PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 C.Shumaker PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 33 6 7 5 TOTALS 34 5 6 5 WINSTON-SALEM 3 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0- 6 7 2 LYNCHBURG 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1- 5 6 1 E--R.Yan, W.Rosa, Y.De Caster. DP--WINSTON-SALEM 0, LYNCHBURG 1. LOB--WINSTON-SALEM 3, LYNCHBURG 4. 2B--M.Spidale (8), E.Welsh 2 (10), W.Young (5), S.Bozanich (2). HR--W.Rosa (1), W.Young (11). SB-- R.Yan (42), C.Rogowski (12), N.McLouth (26), V.Buttler (12). HBP-- R.Doumit. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA WINSTON-SALEM F.Francisco (W,5-3) 6.0 5 4 4 1 7 1 4.11 T.Bittner 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 6.07 J.Fields 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 4.06 R.Meaux (S,9) 1.0 1 1 0 0 2 0 1.17 LYNCHBURG J.Sharber (L,2-5) 6.1 6 6 4 2 2 1 4.62 C.Shumaker 2.2 1 0 0 1 3 0 1.99 HB--J.Fields. WP--F.Francisco, J.Sharber. SO--R.Yan, B.Becker, C.Rogowski, W.Rosa, C.Amador, N.McLouth, R.Doumit, W.Young, C.Shelton 2, Y.De Caster 2, S.Bozanich, M.Ravelo 2, J.Harts. BB--R.Yan, C.Rogowski, W.Rosa, B.Chaves. T--2:35. A--1580 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Abercrombie, i dunno why i think its funny some player named abercrombie. He should go to cleveland with coco crisp and milton bradley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 I still think Jeremy Reed is a pretty good ball-player. 385 ba? 1100 OPS? 4 SB in his first 30 at bats? Not to shabby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 27, 2003 Author Share Posted June 27, 2003 I still think Jeremy Reed is a pretty good ball-player. 385 ba? 1100 OPS? 4 SB in his first 30 at bats? Not to shabby. Pretty good?? You can say that again. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 I still think Jeremy Reed is a pretty good ball-player. 385 ba? 1100 OPS? 4 SB in his first 30 at bats? Not to shabby. Pretty good?? You can say that again. LOL I am glad we agree for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 I still think Jeremy Reed is a pretty good ball-player. 385 ba? 1100 OPS? 4 SB in his first 30 at bats? Not to shabby. Pretty good?? You can say that again. LOL I am glad we agree for once. Hell Brando, even I'm with you. Reed is what this team needs. I read a great article on Reed today in Baseball Prospectus. It was a free premium article preview. Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Very reasonable article overall, though it would look much better if it was written a year ago when Reed was a nobody...hindsight 20/20 as it were. However, if someone mentioned the name Jeremy Reed, the list of people lining up to extol his virtues would likely be much shorter. While Reed is not quite prolific enough to be enshrined into mythology, his walk-to-strikeout ratio this year isn't far from epic ** Jay Mariotti stamp of approval. ** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 27, 2003 Author Share Posted June 27, 2003 Very reasonable article overall, though it would look much better if it was written a year ago when Reed was a nobody...hindsight 20/20 as it were. Brando, hate to break it to you, but Jeremy Reed is still not yet a household name. He was not included in the Baseball America Top 100 Prospects this year. In the current issue they revisit that Top 100 list and even provide a "Moving Onto the Charts" category for guys who are having great seasons that were not on the list. Jeremy Reed was surprisingly absent from that group as well. He was not in the Sox Top 10 Prospects before the year started either, and was not selected for the Future's Game. Sox fans should know about him right now, but the rest of the baseball world is still lagging in the Jeremy Reed PR department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 27, 2003 Author Share Posted June 27, 2003 A few days off didn't help Kanny remember how to hit. Another nice outing by Reynoso wasted. LEXINGTON AB R H BI AVG KANNAPOLIS AB R H BI AVG R.Cespedes LF 5 0 1 2 .209 P.Lopez 2B 4 0 2 0 .276 O.Fernando SS 5 0 0 0 .235 A.Gonzalez SS 4 0 1 0 .234 R.Kochen 3B 4 1 1 0 .243 T.Brice RF 3 0 0 0 .271 J.Humphries DH 3 0 1 1 .310 M.Christense 3B 4 0 0 0 .281 T.Soto 2B 4 2 3 0 .352 E.Varela 1B 4 0 0 0 .237 F.Acevedo RF 4 0 1 0 .231 D.Ciraco CF 3 0 0 0 .244 J.f**an 1B 3 2 2 1 .245 J.Terrell DH 3 0 0 0 .290 M.Obradovich CAT 3 1 1 0 .205 G.Molina CAT 3 0 0 0 .238 W.Alvarez CF 3 0 1 1 .206 B.Ivy LF 3 0 1 0 .333 A.Heitzman PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 P.Reynoso PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.De Leon PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 A.Larson PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Carlson PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.Garza PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 34 6 11 5 TOTALS 31 0 4 0 LEXINGTON 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 1 2- 6 11 1 KANNAPOLIS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0- 0 4 0 E--T.Soto. DP--LEXINGTON 0, KANNAPOLIS 0. LOB--LEXINGTON 5, KANNAPOLIS 5. 2B--R.Kochen (18), J.Humphries (13), J.f**an (9), W.Alvarez (7). SB--P.Lopez (10). HBP--J.f**an. SH--W.Alvarez. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA LEXINGTON A.Heitzman (W,7-6) 7.0 3 0 0 1 2 0 3.79 J.De Leon 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 2.12 J.Carlson 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 2.60 KANNAPOLIS P.Reynoso (L,3-6) 6.0 5 2 2 1 2 0 3.12 A.Larson 2.0 4 2 1 1 2 0 3.86 R.Garza 1.0 2 2 2 0 1 0 6.00 HB--R.Garza. WP--A.Heitzman. BALKS--A.Larson. PB--G.Molina. SO-- R.Cespedes, O.Fernando, F.Acevedo, J.f**an, W.Alvarez, A.Gonzalez, M.Christense, E.Varela 2. BB--J.Humphries, M.Obradovich, T.Brice. T--2:28. A--2371 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 27, 2003 Author Share Posted June 27, 2003 Bristol wins 9-1. No box yet. No score from Great Falls yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Very reasonable article overall, though it would look much better if it was written a year ago when Reed was a nobody...hindsight 20/20 as it were. Brando, hate to break it to you, but Jeremy Reed is still not yet a household name. He was not included in the Baseball America Top 100 Prospects this year. In the current issue they revisit that Top 100 list and even provide a "Moving Onto the Charts" category for guys who are having great seasons that were not on the list. Jeremy Reed was surprisingly absent from that group as well. He was not in the Sox Top 10 Prospects before the year started either, and was not selected for the Future's Game. Sox fans should know about him right now, but the rest of the baseball world is still lagging in the Jeremy Reed PR department. The point was, I think, is that even trained baseball professionals are not very good at predicting. The truly competent few who are able to recognize true talent early and who use a very flexible, intuitive evaluation system are a rare breed. The rest are just lemmings...and, yes, it probably goes beyond sports and into every facet of life. Borchard this and Borchad that...meanwhile it's not like Reed developed his talent out nowhere at 22, know what I mean? Yes, personal/player development is not exactly a science, more of an art really, and yes you can't possibly see everybody on consistent basis yada-yada-yada, there are also all sorts of issues pertaining to different levels of competition, etc......but I hate the way these scouts and sports writers are taken as gospel where in fact that are wrong overwhelming % of the time, often having nothing to go on but 20/20 stats review and unadulterated hype. I could care less if he is well known or not, just that he is ready to be an all-star CF for the Sox in 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 I became a Reed fan after his good start last year. I told Sox fans that follow the minors to keep an eye on this kid at the beginning of the season on the ESPN board. The first stat I look at, after considering a prospects age and more importantly age in relavence to the level that they are at, is BB:SO for both pitchers and hitters. I am similar to Beane in the belief that OBP is one of the most important offensive stats and the fact that Reed has almost a 3:1 walks to strikeout ratio is unheard of, especially for a 22 year old kid. He is an athlete as well that does multiple things well which is nice for team filled with one dimensional players. In regard to him being nationally known as one of the top prospects in baseball(or the lack there of), I agree with Brando(for once). Most of the guys that have put together the top 100 prospects list probably only see certain prospects once or twice if at all. I mean all the major league teams have at least 4 minor league teams at A ball or above, not including rookie ball. That is a lot of traveling to see a majority of the prospects. Most of the people that put together these lists together do so based solely on scouting reports and sometimes they miss a few guys that slip under the radar. With that said if Reed continues to put up the numbers he currently is I would almost guarantee that he will make most if not all top 100 prospect lists next year. You also have to remember that this is Reeds 1st full season of pro ball. Not many prospects drafted last year make it onto top 100 lists after only half a season, especailly if they weren't a top 10 pick. He is starting to get recognized some though. If I remember correctly BA mentioned him in a recent article. Like Brando pointed out the only thing that matters is if he becomes a solid major leaguer and he is well on his way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 27, 2003 Author Share Posted June 27, 2003 The point was, I think, is that even trained baseball professionals are not very good at predicting. The truly competent few who are able to recognize true talent early and who use a very flexible, intuitive evaluation system are a rare breed. The rest are just lemmings...and, yes, it probably goes beyond sports and into every facet of life. Borchard this and Borchad that...meanwhile it's not like Reed developed his talent out nowhere at 22, know what I mean? Yes, personal/player development is not exactly a science, more of an art really, and yes you can't possibly see everybody on consistent basis yada-yada-yada, there are also all sorts of issues pertaining to different levels of competition, etc......but I hate the way these scouts and sports writers are taken as gospel where in fact that are wrong overwhelming % of the time, often having nothing to go on but 20/20 stats review and unadulterated hype. I could care less if he is well known or not, just that he is ready to be an all-star CF for the Sox in 2006. Wow, I guess I missed your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 27, 2003 Author Share Posted June 27, 2003 I became a Reed fan after his good start last year. I told Sox fans that follow the minors to keep an eye on this kid at the beginning of the season on the ESPN board. The first stat I look at, after considering a prospects age and more importantly age in relavence to the level that they are at, is BB:SO for both pitchers and hitters. I am similar to Beane in the belief that OBP is one of the most important offensive stats and the fact that Reed has almost a 3:1 walks to strikeout ratio is unheard of, especially for a 22 year old kid. He is an athlete as well that does multiple things well which is nice for team filled with one dimensional players. In regard to him being nationally known as one of the top prospects in baseball(or the lack there of), I agree with Brando(for once). Most of the guys that have put together the top 100 prospects list probably only see certain prospects once or twice if at all. I mean all the major league teams have at least 4 minor league teams at A ball or above, not including rookie ball. That is a lot of traveling to see a majority of the prospects. Most of the people that put together these lists together do so based solely on scouting reports and sometimes they miss a few guys that slip under the radar. With that said if Reed continues to put up the numbers he currently is I would almost guarantee that he will make most if not all top 100 prospect lists next year. You also have to remember that this is Reeds 1st full season of pro ball. Not many prospects drafted last year make it onto top 100 lists after only half a season, especailly if they weren't a top 10 pick. He is starting to get recognized some though. If I remember correctly BA mentioned him in a recent article. Like Brando pointed out the only thing that matters is if he becomes a solid major leaguer and he is well on his way. I know that we are both on the same side here, but I have to blow a few holes in your comments.... First of all, you must be REALLY good if you noticed Jeremy Reed last year and told everyone to watch out for him. If you, like Billy Beane like to use OBP as one of the most important offensive stats and that is one of the first stats you look at, then why in the hell did you like Reed? He only walked 11 times last year in 210 AB's, about half of Billy Beane's MINIMUM standard. Secondly, you can bash the Top Prospect lists and Baseball America and like publications all you want. You say "Most of the guys that have put together the top 100 prospects list probably only see certain prospects once or twice if at all" and "Most of the people that put together these lists together do so based solely on scouting reports". Can you think of a better way to rate prospects?? Do you know ANYONE that sees more players, more often?? Sure some guys aren't recognized as quickly and much of the rankings are hype, but until you can give me a better way, then I will state that they are the MOST RELIABLE sources available. Again, we are on the same side and agree that Reed has vaulted himself into a higher status, but my point was and still is valid that he is not widely recognized as such yet. He is certainly on his way, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 27, 2003 Author Share Posted June 27, 2003 Now back to the box scores.... Another nice rehab start for Josh Stewart. BRISTOL 9 AT PULASKI 1 YTD YTD BRISTOL AB R H BI AVG PULASKI AB R H BI AVG C.Young CF 5 1 2 1 .357 J.Tingler CF 4 0 1 0 .333 R.Valido SS 5 1 1 0 .429 J.Chourio LF 5 0 0 0 .000 C.Castillo CAT 4 3 1 0 .286 N.Thomas 1B 2 0 0 0 .333 M.Perez 3B 4 1 1 0 .289 J.Reiman CAT 4 0 0 0 .350 E.Young LF 5 1 4 2 .300 R.Braun DH 4 0 0 0 .212 S.Martin DH 3 1 1 2 .227 J.Acey SS 3 1 1 0 .333 M.Lenderman PH 1 0 0 0 .000 V.Esposito 3B 4 0 4 0 .318 T.Collaro 1B 5 1 2 3 .235 Y.Rodriquez RF 3 0 1 0 .400 L.Luna 2B 5 0 2 0 .265 E.Sena 2B 4 0 0 0 .174 J.Rivera RF 4 0 0 0 .200 C.Neylan PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Stewart PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.Sanchez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Casey PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Pidutti PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Huchingson PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 41 9 14 8 TOTALS 33 1 7 0 BRISTOL 2 0 1 0 2 0 3 1 0- 9 14 1 PULASKI 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1- 1 7 4 E--J.Huchingson, N.Thomas, V.Esposito, E.Sena, R.Sanchez. DP--BRISTOL 1, PULASKI 0. LOB--BRISTOL 8, PULASKI 10. 2B--C.Young (2), E.Young (2), S.Martin (2), L.Luna (2). 3B--E.Young (1). HR--C.Young (1), T.Collaro (1). SB--R.Valido (3), E.Young (2). CS--C.Castillo, M.Perez. HBP--S.Martin, Y.Rodriquez . YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA BRISTOL J.Stewart 4.0 5 0 0 2 3 0 0.00 J.Casey (W,1-0) 4.0 1 0 0 1 4 0 1.29 J.Huchingson 1.0 1 1 0 1 0 0 13.50 PULASKI C.Neylan (L,0-1) 4.1 7 5 2 2 8 1 6.48 R.Sanchez 3.2 7 4 3 0 1 1 7.27 J.Pidutti 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3.00 HB--J.Huchingson, R.Sanchez. WP--J.Stewart. SO--C.Young, R.Valido 2, C.Castillo, M.Perez, E.Young, S.Martin, J.Rivera 2, J.Chourio, N.Thomas 2, J.Reiman, J.Acey, Y.Rodriquez , E.Sena. BB--C.Castillo, M.Perez, J.Tingler, N.Thomas 2, J.Acey. T--2:45. A--655 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 27, 2003 Author Share Posted June 27, 2003 Another win for Great Falls, another two hits for Nanita. A night off for Anderson. GREAT FALLS 7 AT OGDEN 4 YTD YTD GREAT FALLS AB R H BI AVG OGDEN AB R H BI AVG A.Gray DH 5 0 1 0 .400 A.De Aza CF 4 1 0 0 .261 C.Haggerty 2B 4 1 0 1 .368 J.Gonzalez 3B 5 2 4 0 .333 R.Nanita CF 4 0 2 0 .429 R.Martin CAT 4 0 1 1 .240 D.Cook LF 5 0 1 1 .429 R.Carter RF 3 1 1 0 .441 C.King RF 5 0 0 1 .161 X.Paul DH 4 0 4 2 .303 M.Schnurstei 3B 5 2 1 0 .278 J.Milons LF 5 0 2 0 .250 B.Bounds 1B 4 2 2 1 .313 C.Hu SS 4 0 0 0 .235 M.Deuchler CAT 4 1 2 1 .333 M.Ludwig 1B 3 0 1 0 .313 M.Myers SS 3 1 2 2 .296 S.Ferrer 2B 4 0 0 0 .200 J.Hudson PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 D.Cuen PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.Surratt PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 D.Parker PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.J.Johnson PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 B.Dumesnil PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 P.Moriel PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 F.Hernandez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 39 7 11 7 TOTALS 36 4 13 3 GREAT FALLS 0 0 2 2 0 2 0 0 1- 7 11 0 OGDEN 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 2- 4 13 2 E--J.Gonzalez 2. DP--GREAT FALLS 4, OGDEN 0. LOB--GREAT FALLS 8, OGDEN 12. 2B--R.Nanita (4), M.Schnurstei (4), J.Gonzalez (1), R.Carter (5). HR--B.Bounds (1). SB--M.Deuchler (1), X.Paul (1). HBP--R.Carter, M.Ludwig. SH--C.Hu. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA GREAT FALLS J.Hudson (W,1-0) 5.0 8 2 2 1 0 0 5.14 R.Surratt 2.0 2 0 0 0 1 0 3.86 J.J.Johnson 1.0 1 0 0 0 2 0 0.00 P.Moriel 0.0 1 2 2 2 0 0 UDF F.Hernandez (S,2) 1.0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0.00 OGDEN D.Cuen (L,0-1) 5.0 10 6 4 1 6 1 11.42 D.Parker 3.1 1 1 1 2 2 0 7.11 B.Dumesnil 0.2 0 0 0 0 0 0 7.71 HB--J.Hudson 2. WP--J.Hudson, P.Moriel 2, F.Hernandez, D.Cuen 2. SO--A.Gray, C.Haggerty, R.Nanita, D.Cook 2, C.King, M.Schnurstei, M.Deuchler, R.Martin, C.Hu, M.Ludwig, S.Ferrer. BB--C.Haggerty, R.Nanita, M.Myers, A.De Aza, R.Martin, R.Carter, X.Paul. T--3:04. A--5691 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 I hope Stewart gets his act together quickly. I have the feeling we will need him up here before this season is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 I became a Reed fan after his good start last year. I told Sox fans that follow the minors to keep an eye on this kid at the beginning of the season on the ESPN board. The first stat I look at, after considering a prospects age and more importantly age in relavence to the level that they are at, is BB:SO for both pitchers and hitters. I am similar to Beane in the belief that OBP is one of the most important offensive stats and the fact that Reed has almost a 3:1 walks to strikeout ratio is unheard of, especially for a 22 year old kid. He is an athlete as well that does multiple things well which is nice for team filled with one dimensional players. In regard to him being nationally known as one of the top prospects in baseball(or the lack there of), I agree with Brando(for once). Most of the guys that have put together the top 100 prospects list probably only see certain prospects once or twice if at all. I mean all the major league teams have at least 4 minor league teams at A ball or above, not including rookie ball. That is a lot of traveling to see a majority of the prospects. Most of the people that put together these lists together do so based solely on scouting reports and sometimes they miss a few guys that slip under the radar. With that said if Reed continues to put up the numbers he currently is I would almost guarantee that he will make most if not all top 100 prospect lists next year. You also have to remember that this is Reeds 1st full season of pro ball. Not many prospects drafted last year make it onto top 100 lists after only half a season, especailly if they weren't a top 10 pick. He is starting to get recognized some though. If I remember correctly BA mentioned him in a recent article. Like Brando pointed out the only thing that matters is if he becomes a solid major leaguer and he is well on his way. I know that we are both on the same side here, but I have to blow a few holes in your comments.... First of all, you must be REALLY good if you noticed Jeremy Reed last year and told everyone to watch out for him. If you, like Billy Beane like to use OBP as one of the most important offensive stats and that is one of the first stats you look at, then why in the hell did you like Reed? He only walked 11 times last year in 210 AB's, about half of Billy Beane's MINIMUM standard. Secondly, you can bash the Top Prospect lists and Baseball America and like publications all you want. You say "Most of the guys that have put together the top 100 prospects list probably only see certain prospects once or twice if at all" and "Most of the people that put together these lists together do so based solely on scouting reports". Can you think of a better way to rate prospects?? Do you know ANYONE that sees more players, more often?? Sure some guys aren't recognized as quickly and much of the rankings are hype, but until you can give me a better way, then I will state that they are the MOST RELIABLE sources available. Again, we are on the same side and agree that Reed has vaulted himself into a higher status, but my point was and still is valid that he is not widely recognized as such yet. He is certainly on his way, however. There are no holes in my arguement, you simply have some time on your hand and are attempting to nit pick and try and make an arguement. To begin with I watch the progress of most of the top 10 Sox pick in every draft and the fact that Reed was a 2nd round pick made me keep an eye on him. What was not to like about Reed's numbers in his first year? He hit well over .300, had a solid BB:SO ratio, stole some bases, had a good amount of doubles, ect. The fact that he was a high pick and put up good numbers is reason enough for me to tell Sox fans to keep an eye on him. If you read my post more carefully I said that I look for BB:SO ratio and even though his walk totatl wasn't that high his 1st year his ratio was still solid with almost as few strikeouts. I also read multiple scouting reports that said he had good plate disipline that should develop as he got older. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Like I said an attempt of yours to fill some time. In regards to Beane and OBP I was refering more to this season then last. And not to be a dick but wasn't his OBP in the .380's his 1st year? Is that not impressive considering the average OBP is around the .340's. It appears that one of us has holes in their arguement, and its not me. Once again if you took the time to actually comprehend my post we wouldn't be disagreeing because my post was pretty straight forward with mostly facts. You missed my point in regards to those that put together the prospect list, which is excepted since you were so quick to jump on me instead of attempt to comprehend the words that i posted(a suggestion for future reference). My major point was that prospects slip under the radar because there are so many to keep an eye on, and unless you are a 1st round pick or putting up numbers that can't be ignored they often get looked over. It does help to see the players in person as well because you are more likely to see the players that don't get the recognition that they should. Most scouts focus on the 1st round prospects or proven prospects, so there are certainly some to slip away. Also it is extremely hard to put together a top 100 lists that includes every team. There are probably about 100 prospects that are left off that could easily be included by a diferent experts oppinion(thats what happens when you have a list that includes this many possibilities). Not to mention the point that very few 1st year players make it onto the top 100 list because its hard to make judgements based solely on a half of year of pro ball. Put this all together and you get a very inaccurate list that misses a bunch of prospects. Is that clear enough for you or do you want me to paint you a picture? You can't get to much more straight forward. Most of the above is fact for the most part as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 27, 2003 Author Share Posted June 27, 2003 No need to argue about all of this. We have the same opinion of Reed. I don't agree with your assessments, but if you write something to mean one thing, and I interpret it another, then we will never agree. I just thought it weird that you referred to liking Reed last year and then mentioned the importance of walks and OBP in the same breath, citing his 3:1 BB:K ratio (this year's numbers in the same paragraph as referring to your judgement on him last year). Last year it was 1:2.4 so based on how you worded your point, it seemed quite flawed to me. If that is not what you meant, then I guess I just read into incorrectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Rex, I noticed Reed too last year, when you added his 11 HBP to his BBs that made a difference. I watched him close since most people said we stretched to take him as early as we did. I do not doubt the other poster noticed him. I am not sure Reed is a CF, most reports call him a LF, since his arm is not so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebeck Fan Club Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 It's good to see Bo Ivy finally in low-A. What is this, his third year with the club? He was one of our maybe CF prospects (we seem to have a bunch of maybe CF prospects not playing CF). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 I was just about to post on Ivy, but Grebeck beat me to it. Rex, what do you have on him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 27, 2003 Author Share Posted June 27, 2003 Rex, I noticed Reed too last year, when you added his 11 HBP to his BBs that made a difference. I watched him close since most people said we stretched to take him as early as we did. I do not doubt the other poster noticed him. I am not sure Reed is a CF, most reports call him a LF, since his arm is not so good. MSF, I am not doubting that he noticed him. We discussed Reed at length on WC last year. Perhaps my post was a bit harsh, but I was just arguing the logic behind his comments. To me, it smacked of someone who was spouting off info without really knowing what he was talking about, so I challenged him. If I misunderstood, then the discussion is complete. I have ackowledged the very possibility of that. Plus, I have a hard time counting 11 HBP's as a good thing. It is either bad luck or something bad waiting to happen. And yes, they did boost his OBP quite a bit. The last few things I have read say that he is a RF (with an average arm) or a LF. He hasn't been playing much CF for the Barons so perhaps they are right, which really hurts his chances and even decreases his potential in my mind. Since the Barons are on the road trip from hell, I haven't yet had the opportunity to see him live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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