Texsox Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Linked Tough to find fault in this list. There are a couple names I'd have liked to see, they seemed to favor brushback pitches a little too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Not sure how Ryan isn't higher and in no way does Roger Clemens deserve to be ahead of him in anything related to pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Don't let that "Brady Bunch" cameo fool you -- this guy was no softy. Drysdale was famous for advocating a second knockdown pitch to hitters, just so they knew the first one wasn't a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 I thought the list was very fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 Sean Tracey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 Randy Johnson and Sandy Koufax should have been in the top 5, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 In his time, Johnson was the most intimidating, but he wouldn't hit anyone on purpose because he was a gentleman who feared hurting someone seriously. Nobody except Ty Cobb realized that, however. Really interesting stuff. As far as Randy Johnson + Koufax = HIGHER! goes, I don't know about Koufax. Johnson I'd consider bumping up, but Koufax has no business as high on that list that he is. He wasn't intimidating in the typical sense. He was intimidating because hitting against him was like drinking coffee with a fork. /quote I think Marichal and RJ belong higher than Nolan Ryan and Roger Clemens, but Clemens I can see being higher, consider his roid-rages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 Koufax I guess you can say was more scary then intimidating. He wouldn't throw at you, on purpose, but the way he pitched, I'd be hitting the deck every pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 I think Blyleven belongs on the list. He used to throw his curveball at hitters' heads and they'd bail only to watch it curve into the strikezone from the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Lincecum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 QUOTE(danman31 @ May 10, 2007 -> 11:56 AM) Not sure how Ryan isn't higher and in no way does Roger Clemens deserve to be ahead of him in anything related to pitching. except for....well, everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 QUOTE(daa84 @ May 16, 2007 -> 03:09 PM) except for....well, everything Dan, couldn't disagree with you more. Ryan may have had a better fastball, but he is nowhere near the pitcher that Clemens is/was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 16, 2007 -> 09:59 PM) Dan, couldn't disagree with you more. Ryan may have had a better fastball, but he is nowhere near the pitcher that Clemens is/was. when was the last time Roger Clemens threw someone into a headlock and beat the piss out of them? yeah, thats what I thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 16, 2007 -> 09:59 PM) Dan, couldn't disagree with you more. Ryan may have had a better fastball, but he is nowhere near the pitcher that Clemens is/was. Seriously? Nolan Ryan after his early years, turned into one of the best pitchers in the history of the game. Once he learned the circle change and lost something out of his fastball, he really learned how to pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2007 -> 11:09 AM) Seriously? Nolan Ryan after his early years, turned into one of the best pitchers in the history of the game. Once he learned the circle change and lost something out of his fastball, he really learned how to pitch. I'm with Jason on this one. Ryan was too wild. I'd take Clemens over Ryan any day. I'd also probably take Gibson, Marichal and Pedro over Ryan. Ryan could be absolutely unhittable, but he could also be very bad. He was great, but not as consistently great as some others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2007 -> 10:09 AM) Seriously? Nolan Ryan after his early years, turned into one of the best pitchers in the history of the game. Once he learned the circle change and lost something out of his fastball, he really learned how to pitch. And Clemens is the the best pitcher over the last 20 years (including when Ryan pitched). The only guy I think was better than Roger was Pedro (but Clemens has been dominant for longer). I would also take Pedro in his prime over Ryan. Both Clemens and Pedro were just superior pitchers (albeit Ryan had a better pure arm). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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