briguy27 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 so seriously, as of right now, if the sox could trade their team for the cubs team straight up, would u do it? i mean, the sox have no hitting, but they have to go up, considering u cant go much further down. but the cubs have lee and ramirez, and also marquis and hill. what does everyone think...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Cubs have more talent than the Sox this year....of course, that's what happens when you spend 300 million in an offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ May 14, 2007 -> 11:20 PM) Cubs have more talent than the Sox this year....of course, that's what happens when you spend 300 million in an offseason. I highly disagree. The Cubs rotation and bullpen would get roasted in the American League. Their defense is nothing to be proud of either. Lee, Ramirez and Soranio is good, but I'd take the White Sox as a whole over the Cubs. Especially when Thome comes back and/if Konerko and Dye heat up. A hot 3/4/5 of Thome, Konerko and Dye is as good as anyone in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick0984 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 I wouldn't take the Cubs team if it was composed of the NL Allstar Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Players on the Cubs That I would not mind having On the Sox: Derosa over Iguchi Derek Lee at 1b Over Konerko Zambrano over Contreras Rich Hill Over Vazquez Aram over Crede Alfonso Soriano at LF over podsednik Felix Pie over Erstad every other position is too close to call or favors the sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(fathom @ May 14, 2007 -> 11:20 PM) Cubs have more talent than the Sox yea right. we'll see, we'll see. SIG BET, FATHOM, CROSSTOWN. I TAKE THE SOX, YOU TAKE THE CUBS. QUOTE(rangercal @ May 15, 2007 -> 03:19 AM) Players on the Cubs That I would not mind having On the Sox: Derosa over Iguchi Derek Lee at 1b Over Konerko Zambrano over Contreras Rich Hill Over Vazquez Aram over Crede Alfonso Soriano at LF over podsednik Felix Pie over Erstad every other position is too close to call or favors the sox. SIG BET, RANGERCAL, CROSSTOWN. I TAKE THE SOX, YOU TAKE THE CUBS. pm me for details, fellows. Edited May 15, 2007 by mr_genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 QUOTE(mr_genius @ May 15, 2007 -> 03:44 AM) yea right. we'll see, we'll see. SIG BET, FATHOM, CROSSTOWN. I TAKE THE SOX, YOU TAKE THE CUBS. SIG BET, RANGERCAL, CROSSTOWN. I TAKE THE SOX, YOU TAKE THE CUBS. pm me for details, fellows. I would never bet against the sox. Besides, I fully expect the sox to take 2/3 from the scrubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick0984 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(rangercal @ May 15, 2007 -> 03:19 AM) Players on the Cubs That I would not mind having On the Sox: Derosa over Iguchi Derek Lee at 1b Over Konerko Zambrano over Contreras Rich Hill Over Vazquez Aram over Crede Alfonso Soriano at LF over podsednik Felix Pie over Erstad every other position is too close to call or favors the sox. Soriano over Pods obviously... Pie over Erstad maybe...Pie still might just be a fluke. the rest? no way. you can't judge current struggles with substituting a player entirely...if you were GM we'd have a new team every 2 weeks. EDIT: Zambrano over Count possibly, just for the sake of age Edited May 15, 2007 by Maverick0984 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briguy27 Posted May 15, 2007 Author Share Posted May 15, 2007 QUOTE(rangercal @ May 15, 2007 -> 04:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would never bet against the sox. Besides, I fully expect the sox to take 2/3 from the scrubs 2/3? easy there. the cubs have lilly, marquis, and zambrano going, while we will have buehrle, vazquez, and danks (possibly not sure). but even if so, right now for a 3 game series, except maybe contreras, garland, and buehrle, i wouldnt take the sox top 3 pitchers to win or sweep a series over the cubs top 3 (zambrano, marquis, and hill) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(briguy27 @ May 14, 2007 -> 09:28 PM) so seriously, as of right now, if the sox could trade their team for the cubs team straight up, would u do it? i mean, the sox have no hitting, but they have to go up, considering u cant go much further down. but the cubs have lee and ramirez, and also marquis and hill. what does everyone think...? This is the stupidist thread I have ever read. I'll take a team under .500 in the NL and see what they can do in the AL. What sense would that make? Jason Marquis is magically a real good pitcher now? Come on. You end up with Dempster, Howry and Eyre. You think our bullpen is bad. How about that outfield defense. Pie is not even in the majors. He is Brian Anderson with some speed AND STRIKES OUT MORE! WTF is wrong with some poeple. The Mets defense tried to give them the game. Ya I'll take the under .500 team from the worst division in baseball and see if they can have a better record than the team that is winning in the best division in baseball. Come on. Edited May 15, 2007 by Jenks Heat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(rangercal @ May 15, 2007 -> 03:19 AM) Players on the Cubs That I would not mind having On the Sox: Derosa over Iguchi Derek Lee at 1b Over Konerko Zambrano over Contreras Rich Hill Over Vazquez Aram over Crede Alfonso Soriano at LF over podsednik Felix Pie over Erstad every other position is too close to call or favors the sox. I wouldn't want Zambrano or Aram no matter how talented they are. Edited May 15, 2007 by Controlled Chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Which coaching staff do you get? Walker could work some magic with that Cubs lineup . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 QUOTE(rangercal @ May 15, 2007 -> 03:19 AM) Players on the Cubs That I would not mind having On the Sox: Derosa over Iguchi Derek Lee at 1b Over Konerko Zambrano over Contreras Rich Hill Over Vazquez Aram over Crede Alfonso Soriano at LF over podsednik Felix Pie over Erstad every other position is too close to call or favors the sox. Derosa over Iguchi? His name is spelled T-h-e-r-i-o-t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 QUOTE(Maverick0984 @ May 15, 2007 -> 09:49 AM) the rest? no way. you can't judge current struggles with substituting a player entirely...if you were GM we'd have a new team every 2 weeks. EDIT: Zambrano over Count possibly, just for the sake of age So you say you can't judge players based on current struggles, but you still would possibly take Zambrano over Contreras? Wouldn't Zambrano be the most talented pitcher for either team if you don't consider his recent struggles? QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ May 15, 2007 -> 01:25 PM) I wouldn't want Zambrano or Aram no matter how talented they are. Ramirez is better than Crede in just about every category besides defense, and even there, he's really not nearly as bad as some people think. I'd take Erstad over Pie though, but Pie's not their CF. The Cubs bench is far superior to the White Sox's bench this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 QUOTE(Maverick0984 @ May 15, 2007 -> 04:49 AM) Soriano over Pods obviously... Pie over Erstad maybe...Pie still might just be a fluke. the rest? no way. you can't judge current struggles with substituting a player entirely...if you were GM we'd have a new team every 2 weeks. EDIT: Zambrano over Count possibly, just for the sake of age The rest no way??? Anyone who'd take Paulie over D Lee is on crack or needs to put the kool aid down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 QUOTE(briguy27 @ May 15, 2007 -> 07:51 AM) 2/3? easy there. the cubs have lilly, marquis, and zambrano going, while we will have buehrle, vazquez, and danks (possibly not sure). but even if so, right now for a 3 game series, except maybe contreras, garland, and buehrle, i wouldnt take the sox top 3 pitchers to win or sweep a series over the cubs top 3 (zambrano, marquis, and hill) Danks - Wins 1, Losses 4, IP 35.1, H 35, ER 17, HR 6, BB 11, K 28, ERA 4.33, WHIP 1.30, BAA .254 Zambrano - Wins 3, Losses 3, IP 46.1, H 50, ER 30, HR 10, BB 24, K 35, ERA 5.83, WHIP 1.60, BAA .278 Buehrle - Wins 2, Losses 1, IP 42.1, H 35, ER 17, HR 6, BB 11, K 32, ERA 3.61, WHIP 1.09, BAA .226 Marquis - Wins 5, Losses 1, IP 52.2, H 35, ER 13, HR 3, BB 16, K 25, ERA 2.22, WHIP 0.97, BAA .183 Vazquez - Wins 2, Losses 2, IP 44.1, H 37, ER 19, HR 4, BB 14, K 36, ERA 3.86, WHIP 1.15, BAA .228 Lilly - Wins 3, Losses 2, IP 53.1, H 40, ER 15, HR 2, BB 8, K 48, ERA 2.53, WHIP 0.90, BAA .207 The numbers are not too far away between the pitchers that are going. I did not match up who was going against who in the series, but if you factor in AL vs NL hitting as well as the bullpens (Sox winner!), I would think that the pitching is better for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 QUOTE(vandy125 @ May 15, 2007 -> 09:35 AM) I did not match up who was going against who in the series, but if you factor in AL vs NL hitting as well as the bullpens (Sox winner!), I would think that the pitching is better for the Sox. Did you forget that the Cubs will be facing the worst hitting team in baseball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damen Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ May 15, 2007 -> 09:03 AM) The rest no way??? Anyone who'd take Paulie over D Lee is on crack or needs to put the kool aid down. That's what I was thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ May 15, 2007 -> 08:43 AM) Ramirez is better than Crede in just about every category besides defense, and even there, he's really not nearly as bad as some people think. I'd take Erstad over Pie though, but Pie's not their CF. The Cubs bench is far superior to the White Sox's bench this year. He's not better than him in attitude. I'd have a real hard time cheering for someone like Ramirez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 QUOTE(BobDylan @ May 15, 2007 -> 01:32 AM) I highly disagree. The Cubs rotation and bullpen would get roasted in the American League. Their defense is nothing to be proud of either. ^^^^^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ May 15, 2007 -> 12:08 PM) ^^^^^^^ Other than maybe 3 teams the offenses in the 2 leagues are about the same. I think people are overrating the AL offensive prowess. People make it seem like the NL offenses are AA quality when compared to the AL. Edited May 15, 2007 by BigSqwert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 That whole DH thing tends to skew offensive production. It's just easier to face 8 hitters in the NL than it is to face 9 in the AL. Ask Ted Lilly about that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 15, 2007 -> 12:15 PM) That whole DH thing tends to skew offensive production. It's just easier to face 8 hitters in the NL than it is to face 9 in the AL. Ask Ted Lilly about that one. Is there a way to compare both leagues' 1-8 hitters to make a more accurate comparison? If so, I would be surprised to see a big disparity in offensive numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ May 15, 2007 -> 12:16 PM) Is there a way to compare both leagues' 1-8 hitters to make a more accurate comparison? If so, I would be surprised to see a big disparity in offensive numbers. That's tough to do since those 1-8 in the National League get to face NL pitching and the hitters in the AL get to face American League pitching the numbers aren't really the best way to compare potency. Since the two leagues only play eachother for a few series each year it's tough to get a real idea of the offensive/pitching capabilities of both leagues. The one thing you can look at is the one guaranteed automatic out you have when pitching to an NL lineup, a luxury you don't get in the AL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 15, 2007 -> 12:28 PM) The one thing you can look at is the one guaranteed automatic out you have when pitching to an NL lineup, a luxury you don't get in the AL. Or the 6 automatic outs you have when facing the Sox. Oh man that was low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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