GoodAsGould Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 QUOTE(CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 16, 2007 -> 08:10 PM) Playoffs ? PLAYOFFS ? ! I'm not neccessarily talking about the playoffs. I just know it was the last month or 2 of the season that the young Tiger starters faltered because they had never pitched as many innings in a season before and it took its toll. Seemed like the only rookie, Verlander, did fine throughout the season to me. Besides the games he faced the whitesox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 QUOTE(CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 16, 2007 -> 08:10 PM) Playoffs ? PLAYOFFS ? ! I'm not neccessarily talking about the playoffs. I just know it was the last month or 2 of the season that the young Tiger starters faltered because they had never pitched as many innings in a season before and it took its toll. It's one Tiger stater you're talking about, Verlander. There is no one else on that team that fits the bill. Verlander pitched 1 year in the minors after throwing for Old Dominion in '04 and starting the year with the big club in '06. In that one season in the minors he pitched 130 innings and jumped 3 levels over a 6 month span making an appearance with the big club in September of '05. Verlander is also a power pitcher throwing in the upper 90's with a wicked breaking ball. Verlander ended up "breaking down" by having 3 outstanding and 2 horrible starts (one vs the Sox) in September of last season. Danks threw 140 innings last season and 156 in '05. He's on pace for about 180 IP this season. He's a Buehrle-esque "soft tosser" (hate to use the term but that's the best way to describe him and his low 90's fastball.) He's not putting a whole lot of strain on his arm with any of his pitches and as the season goes on you'll see Ozzie start to limit Danks' work to keep him fresh. I highly doubt throwing on 18 hours fewer rest than he's used to is going to have any effect on him at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 16, 2007 -> 06:20 PM) It's one Tiger stater you're talking about, Verlander. There is no one else on that team that fits the bill. Verlander pitched 1 year in the minors after throwing for Old Dominion in '04 and starting the year with the big club in '06. In that one season in the minors he pitched 130 innings and jumped 3 levels over a 6 month span making an appearance with the big club in September of '05. Verlander is also a power pitcher throwing in the upper 90's with a wicked breaking ball. Verlander ended up "breaking down" by having 3 outstanding and 2 horrible starts (one vs the Sox) in September of last season. Danks threw 140 innings last season and 156 in '05. He's on pace for about 180 IP this season. He's a Buehrle-esque "soft tosser" (hate to use the term but that's the best way to describe him and his low 90's fastball.) He's not putting a whole lot of strain on his arm with any of his pitches and as the season goes on you'll see Ozzie start to limit Danks' work to keep him fresh. I highly doubt throwing on 18 hours fewer rest than he's used to is going to have any effect on him at all. Maybe , maybe not . A cumluative effect might not be immediately noticed. Only Danks will be able to tell how his arm feels. He could go through a dead arm period then recover. You can't speculate on the strain on his arm since you're not him. As its a long season it's better to err on the cautious side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briguy27 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 oh for crying out loud. start danks, in his last 2 starts, i believe he's pitched 14 1/3 innings (not sure) and has only allowed 3 earned runs combined, and that was being in 2 home run hitting parks (the homer dome and the cell), so i think he will be ok pitching in another home run park, at wrigley and plus, he had the bronx bombers' number all day today. if he can do it vs the yankees with those guys (damon, jeter, a-rod, etc), he can do it vs the scrubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I wonder, if Danks were to blow out his arm soon after starting on Sunday(if he did), how much flip-flopping would go on amongst soxtalk. Over-Under says everyone in this thread that's for starting Danks would hate Ozzie if the kid was burnt out or injured himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ May 16, 2007 -> 11:56 PM) I wonder, if Danks were to blow out his arm soon after starting on Sunday(if he did), how much flip-flopping would go on amongst soxtalk. Over-Under says everyone in this thread that's for starting Danks would hate Ozzie if the kid was burnt out or injured himself. Going by past trends, that would not be the case. Most people around here are real good about owning up. And if Danks blows out his arm after his start on Sunday then there's something seriously wrong with his arm as of right now, 3 days rest shouldn't destroy the arm of a soft tossing 22 year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxLifer Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ May 16, 2007 -> 05:17 PM) Seemed like the only rookie, Verlander, did fine throughout the season to me. Besides the games he faced the whitesox Not exactly. Verlander had a pretty bad August and September. Here's the line: G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA August 5 5 2 3 0 0 0 27.2 42 22 21 4 12 18 6.83 1.95 .359 September 5 5 2 2 0 0 0 28.0 34 15 15 5 12 18 4.82 1.64 .309 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 So who is already on the 40 man roster, and is lined up to be able to pitch this game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 17, 2007 Author Share Posted May 17, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2007 -> 08:35 AM) So who is already on the 40 man roster, and is lined up to be able to pitch this game? Gavin Floyd pitched Tuesday for Charlotte and threw well, although he's been having some blister problems apparently. Egbert had his second tough outing in a row for the Barons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 (edited) Ozzie says Jose on Sunday. f*** Jose on short rest in that atmosphere screams nightmare to me but whatever. Edited May 17, 2007 by WHarris1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 17, 2007 -> 04:12 PM) Ozzie says Jose on Sunday. f*** Jose on short rest in that atmosphere screams nightmare to me but whatever. jose is the best candidate.....he used to pitch on short rest in cuba all the time....i remember one story where he pitched 200+ pitches one game, had a day off, and then Castro demanded that he pitch the next game and he went out and got another W....granted i believe that was like 8 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 17, 2007 -> 12:01 AM) Going by past trends, that would not be the case. Most people around here are real good about owning up. And if Danks blows out his arm after his start on Sunday then there's something seriously wrong with his arm as of right now, 3 days rest shouldn't destroy the arm of a soft tossing 22 year old. I wouldn't necessarily consider Danks a "soft tosser" as he throws 91-93 and touches 94. I wouldn't have a problem starting either Jose or Danks, as both are better than options than Masset/Floyd/Haeger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 The only problem I see with Jose was he pitched a late game on Wednesday, and would be pitching a day game on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchtower41 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 17, 2007 -> 04:12 PM) Ozzie says Jose on Sunday. f*** Jose on short rest in that atmosphere screams nightmare to me but whatever. Jose probably pitched double-headers back in Cuba. He pitched outstanding last night. Great call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 The Count will eat the cubs alive sunday. Three-hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I have seen the Cubs and Dusty Baker endlessly mocked on this site for over using Wood and Pryor down the stretch of a pennant race yet, now I see Ozzie being criticized for protecting a good young pitcher instead of using him in an oh so important rivalry game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(watchtower41 @ May 17, 2007 -> 04:49 PM) Jose probably pitched double-headers back in Cuba. He pitched outstanding last night. Great call. Ya when he wasn't pushing 40+ and his arm was plenty used to the situation. Edited May 17, 2007 by WHarris1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Did I miss something Why are we talking about skipping starts or bringing somebody up, we have 5 solid starters dont we? Tue (played Wed) was Danks Wed was Contrertas Thu was Garland Fri is Buehrle Sat is Vazquez Sun back to Danks What gives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(joeynach @ May 17, 2007 -> 06:36 PM) Did I miss something Why are we talking about skipping starts or bringing somebody up, we have 5 solid starters dont we? Tue (played Wed) was Danks Wed was Contrertas Thu was Garland Fri is Buehrle Sat is Vazquez Sun back to Danks What gives? Ozzie is considering Contreras for Sunday due to the short rest. He is worried about Danks (and short rest). Also considered bringing someone up for one start (Broadway, Gio, Floyd), or even Masset. Edited May 17, 2007 by RME JICO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 17, 2007 Author Share Posted May 17, 2007 QUOTE(joeynach @ May 17, 2007 -> 06:36 PM) Did I miss something Why are we talking about skipping starts or bringing somebody up, we have 5 solid starters dont we? Tue (played Wed) was Danks Wed was Contrertas Thu was Garland Fri is Buehrle Sat is Vazquez Sun back to Danks What gives? Because they would both be pitching 3 days' rest, actually, Jose would have even less time, since he pitched at night and Sunday will be a day game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 We've brought up guys for this same series before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(Texsox @ May 17, 2007 -> 07:02 PM) We've brought up guys for this same series before. McCarthy. He did pretty well too. A windblown homer beat him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(YASNY @ May 17, 2007 -> 06:20 PM) I have seen the Cubs and Dusty Baker endlessly mocked on this site for over using Wood and Pryor down the stretch of a pennant race yet, now I see Ozzie being criticized for protecting a good young pitcher instead of using him in an oh so important rivalry game. It is always different YAS, it's always different. QUOTE(Dick Allen @ May 17, 2007 -> 07:03 PM) McCarthy. He did pretty well too. A windblown homer beat him. I could not remember if it was B-Mac or Rausch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 16, 2007 -> 10:01 PM) Going by past trends, that would not be the case. Most people around here are real good about owning up. And if Danks blows out his arm after his start on Sunday then there's something seriously wrong with his arm as of right now, 3 days rest shouldn't destroy the arm of a soft tossing 22 year old. You're kidding right ? Erstad has been crucified and continues to be crucified despite obviously being the better choice over Anderson. Every mistake he makes is put under a microscope. Anything to cling to the hate. He's play good all around baseball. Defense ,running, offense, leadership . What more do people want ? . I'm aware of the OBP and OPS. Expecting a high OPS out of Erstad is like expecting Dye to bunt with men on 1st and 2nd with 0 outs. It's just not his game. Edited May 18, 2007 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 I was kind of expecting Denks to get the start after he threw 88 pitches in the 1st game of the double-header on Wednesday. I was thinking he would throw 3-5 innings on Sunday depending on pitch count, and then Massot would come in for 2-3 innings, and hopefully that would get you into the 7th inning or so. The White Sox have done an EXCELLENT job over the past few seasons of keeping their starters in a regular routine, staying with the five man rotation even with off-days so although I don't think this will be a big deal, they will probably keep Contreras on a tight pitch count, probably no more than 100, and keep Massot ready to come in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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