YASNY Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Is Crede a better thirdbaseman than ARod? In that particular niche of the game, yes he is. Is he a better hitter or all around ballplayer? Not in his wildest dreams. It's not even worthy of discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 ARod has always been better then Crede... but I'd never want ARod on my team. IMO, he is a loser. Just look at teams records once he leaves that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ May 17, 2007 -> 10:55 PM) ARod has always been better then Crede... but I'd never want ARod on my team. IMO, he is a loser. Just look at teams records once he leaves that team. Sorry man. I totally disagree. ARod will go down as one of the greatest players in the history of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(YASNY @ May 17, 2007 -> 11:57 PM) Sorry man. I totally disagree. ARod will go down as one of the greatest players in the history of the game. He will... but the question is, how many rings will he have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ May 17, 2007 -> 11:00 PM) He will... but the question is, how many rings will he have? To put things in perspective, I wouldn't ever call Ernie Banks a loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(YASNY @ May 18, 2007 -> 12:02 AM) To put things in perspective, I wouldn't ever call Ernie Banks a loser. Ernie Banks wasn't making 26 million a year, and being labeled as the best hitter of his generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2007 -> 09:13 AM) TRADE FOR VINNY CASTILLA!!! NO, TRADE FOR JOE RANDA!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ May 17, 2007 -> 11:05 PM) Ernie Banks wasn't making 26 million a year, and being labeled as the best hitter of his generation. ARod probably is the best hitter of his generation. It's arguable, but he's in the top few. Baseball is a team game. It doesn't matter how much money he makes, he produces between the white lines. Guys like Banks and Fisk are not losers because they didn't play for a champion. Geoff Blum is not what you'd call a winner, but he has a ring. I'm not discounting the fact that rings are part of the equation. I'm just saying you can't call a guy a loser because he hasn't got any. I'm no 'fan' of ARod, but the mf'er can play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 When you sign a player to such a ridiculous price as ARod was, that means you are signing him to be your cornerstone, and take you to the promise land... that has yet to happen, and I don't see it happening any time soon. Also, his great postseason performances aren't helping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ May 17, 2007 -> 11:13 PM) When you sign a player to such a ridiculous price as ARod was, that means you are signing him to be your cornerstone, and take you to the promise land... that has yet to happen, and I don't see it happening any time soon. Also, his great postseason performances aren't helping. Yeah ... It's ARod's fault that Hicks was stupid enough to throw the bank vault at him. That makes him a loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(YASNY @ May 18, 2007 -> 12:16 AM) Yeah ... It's ARod's fault that Hicks was stupid enough to throw the bank vault at him. That makes him a loser. From the years 94-00, the M's were a mediocre team. Had a few playoff seasons, nothing special. Then, all of a sudden, the year ARod leaves, they win 116 games! From the years 01-03, the Rangers were the basement dwellers of the West. Then all of a sudden when he leaves, they win 89 games. Coincidences, I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Baseball is a team game. I'm done. This is going nowhere productive. Have a good night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ May 18, 2007 -> 01:21 AM) From the years 94-00, the M's were a mediocre team. Had a few playoff seasons, nothing special. Then, all of a sudden, the year ARod leaves, they win 116 games! From the years 01-03, the Rangers were the basement dwellers of the West. Then all of a sudden when he leaves, they win 89 games. Coincidences, I think not. Wow, that's the ultimate basketball fan's response. Replace A-Rod with the average 3B and I guarantee you you're no better off. No 3B/SS with an all-time great bat has ever caused a team to be worse than it was without him. Now, the rangers may have been basement dwellers because of the CONTRACT they gave A-rod which tied up all their money, but it wasn't his presence that hurt them. And the M's winning 116 games after A-Rod left is in no way related to his disappearence. No one position player is bad enough to lose their team 40+ games like you're asserting. QUOTE(santo=dorf @ May 17, 2007 -> 10:12 AM) Any chance we can package Crede and some minor league bullpen arms (Dewon Day) for Griffey? Personally, I think the last thing we need is to get older and more injury prone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Just compare the 2000 and 2001 M's... no real major differences except the addition of Ichiro and Loss of ARod. There were a bit more differences between the 03 and 04 Rangers, but none big enough where they were a much better team overall. I wonder why.. I am also done with this. Good night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ May 18, 2007 -> 01:21 AM) From the years 94-00, the M's were a mediocre team. Had a few playoff seasons, nothing special. Then, all of a sudden, the year ARod leaves, they win 116 games! From the years 01-03, the Rangers were the basement dwellers of the West. Then all of a sudden when he leaves, they win 89 games. Coincidences, I think not. You make me sad to not only be a White Sox fan, but a baseball fan in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ May 18, 2007 -> 02:36 AM) You make me sad to not only be a White Sox fan, but a baseball fan in general. ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ May 18, 2007 -> 05:34 AM) There were a bit more differences between the 03 and 04 Rangers, but none big enough where they were a much better team overall. I wonder why.. Texas ERA+: 2001 - 78 2002 - 95 2003 - 87 2004 - 111 But yeah... A-Rod's no winner. I'm glad you know that he's not a winner, too... Is that similar to being what Hawk would call a "baseball player"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(BearSox @ May 18, 2007 -> 12:34 AM) Just compare the 2000 and 2001 M's... no real major differences except the addition of Ichiro and Loss of ARod. There were a bit more differences between the 03 and 04 Rangers, but none big enough where they were a much better team overall. I wonder why.. I am also done with this. Good night. I don't even like Pay-rod, but you're being ridiculous. Edited May 18, 2007 by Jordan4life_2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Crede should bounce back. While he won't put up Arod numbers, Joe should provide some decent pop and a .270 avg. All it takes is a game like Dye had yesterday from Crede and a hit streak and people will be saying he's a guy who should be locked up long term. Joe shouldn't be going anywhere this yr if the sox are truly in the running for the playoffs. Though an offseason deal is probable as Fields should be ready in '08. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2007 @ May 18, 2007 -> 03:18 AM) I don't even like Pay-rod, but you're being ridiculous. ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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