Flash Tizzle Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 -Birmingham and Carolina tied at 1 in the 10th. Gonzalez pitched okay -- 6IP, 3 hits, 0 earned runs, 1 walk, 12 strikeouts. http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st...biraax_cmcaax_1 -Charlotte currently trailing 6-5 to Ottawa in the 8th. Good night collectively for several offensive prospects-- Sweeney 2-4, 2 2B; Anderson 2-3, 2B HR; Fields 0-2, 2BB. http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st...94&sid=t494 -Kannapolis lost 6-5. Carter 3-4, BB. http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st...ox&did=milb -Winston Salem won 2-1 in a rain-shortened game. Cunninghamg 1-3, HR BB. http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st...ox&did=milb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 I suppose that's an OK game from Gio. W-S didn't get rain, that was a 7-inning double-header than went into extras. Lujan started the second game and got SMOKED. http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st...wswafa_kinafa_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 minor league web site touted Cassel's return tonight. Then he didn't pitch. Anybody know why? OK game by Gio? 12 Ks in 6 innings. One unearned run. He's no Sisco, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 God damn Gio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ May 24, 2007 -> 09:25 PM) minor league web site touted Cassel's return tonight. Then he didn't pitch. Anybody know why? OK game by Gio? 12 Ks in 6 innings. One unearned run. He's no Sisco, that's for sure. A quick look at the context makes it much less impressive. Carolina isn't exactly a good double A team. They're batting .240 as a team and lead the league in strikeouts by a WIDE margin. Gio's pitched 11 innings against them this season. 3 hits, 2BB, 21K 0 ER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ May 25, 2007 -> 02:30 AM) A quick look at the context makes it much less impressive. Carolina isn't exactly a good double A team. They're batting .240 as a team and lead the league in strikeouts by a WIDE margin. Gio's pitched 11 innings against them this season. 3 hits, 2BB, 21K 0 ER. Damn, I'm sure Carolina doesn't want to have to face Gio anymore this season. Then again, from the looks of it, they don't do well against any pitcher, lol... Pretty solid night all around for Sox prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 BA.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 May continues to be good to Fields .310/.423/.560 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Gio is awful... a walk!??!?!?!?! Puh-lease. And people call him a prospect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 QUOTE(3E8 @ May 24, 2007 -> 10:34 PM) May continues to be good to Fields .310/.423/.560 And June might be good for him too...being in Chicago. Its lookin like we should've traded Crede this off-season when healthy and his trade value was high. Fields has improved his fieldeing and his k's are high, but he makes up for it with a great walk rate. I honestly cannot stand Ozuna at third anymore, he makes some amazing plays, but for the most part he is a butcher, much more than Fields could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ May 24, 2007 -> 09:48 PM) Fields has improved his fieldeing and his k's are high, but he makes up for it with a great walk rate. This year, yes, great BB%. I remember a few arguing with me last year that it was great when it wasn't. But I am impressed that it's improved each year, at this rate he will nearly double last season's walk total. I am anticipating his performance whenever he gets called up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 McCulloch with a decent outing: 6 IP, 1 R but a WHIP of 1.83 on the day. He is sporting a WHIP of 1.58 on the year, but somehow his ERA is under 4. He has allowed 11 unearned runs however. One impressive thing: he's only given up 1 HR this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(3E8 @ May 25, 2007 -> 04:01 AM) This year, yes, great BB%. I remember a few arguing with me last year that it was great when it wasn't. But I am impressed that it's improved each year, at this rate he will nearly double last season's walk total. I am anticipating his performance whenever he gets called up. Are you at all concerned that his K-rate hasn't improved a whole bunch this season (K'ing in 28% of his ABs this year vs 29% last year)? I know Cheat has commented on it, but I'm interested in your thoughts... Edited May 25, 2007 by CWSGuy406 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ May 24, 2007 -> 10:48 PM) Its lookin like we should've traded Crede this off-season when healthy and his trade value was high. Fields has improved his fieldeing and his k's are high, but he makes up for it with a great walk rate. Well everybody knew that, Crede's margin couldn't get higher than it was last offseason AND Fields is ready. Kenny's biggest mistake as GM might end up being not dumping Crede, we could have got something really nice to help that OF situation for him I bet. Oh, and Gio is good, and nice to see Sweeney and BA hitting. Edited May 25, 2007 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Trading Crede sounds all well and good but Fields is hitting .310 in May in AAA and you guys are acting like he would be ready this year. Everyone would be pissed at KW if he traded Crede and Fields was slumping like he did this April. Imagine those numbers against big league pitching...oye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 QUOTE(danman31 @ May 25, 2007 -> 01:05 AM) Trading Crede sounds all well and good but Fields is hitting .310 in May in AAA and you guys are acting like he would be ready this year. Everyone would be pissed at KW if he traded Crede and Fields was slumping like he did this April. Imagine those numbers against big league pitching...oye. Crede's .221/.280/.302/.582 and 3 extra base hits from April isn't exactly exhilarating same goes for his .204/.220/.347/.567, 1 BB, 7 K, 3 extra base hit May. He's been pretty much the worst everyday position player in baseball offensively this season. I wouldn't have missed him one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 25, 2007 -> 01:12 AM) Crede's .221/.280/.302/.582 and 3 extra base hits from April isn't exactly exhilarating same goes for his .204/.220/.347/.567, 1 BB, 7 K, 3 extra base hit May. He's been pretty much the worst everyday position player in baseball offensively this season. I wouldn't have missed him one bit. You say that like you knew Crede would blow so bad before the season started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 If BA keeps this up for another couple of weeks, do you guys see him being recalled? I wouldn't mind having the ability to play Mack at third (or Fields if we DL Crede) and playing Erstad in LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 QUOTE(Heads22 @ May 25, 2007 -> 03:56 PM) If BA keeps this up for another couple of weeks, do you guys see him being recalled? I wouldn't mind having the ability to play Mack at third (or Fields if we DL Crede) and playing Erstad in LF. Unless we have one helluva June we might as well callup Fields, Anderson, and Sweeney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ May 25, 2007 -> 04:12 PM) Unless we have one helluva June we might as well callup Fields, Anderson, and Sweeney. Well since we play s***ty teams we might. There is no reason to bring them all up until September. We are way to close to both Det. and Clev. to throw in the towel. Neither of them have had a cold streak and we have yet to have a hot streak, so things are bound to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2007 @ May 25, 2007 -> 01:33 AM) You say that like you knew Crede would blow so bad before the season started. I've been saying this for a while now, actually. Last year (I wasn't on here), even though he had a pretty good season, I never thought he was that good. His OBP was at a career high of something like .330. And I thought last year was a career year, and that likely he would revert back to sucking. Everyone loves to love him and make excuses for him for what he did in 05... but it aint 05 anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(BearSox @ May 25, 2007 -> 06:06 PM) I've been saying this for a while now, actually. Last year (I wasn't on here), even though he had a pretty good season, I never thought he was that good. His OBP was at a career high of something like .330. And I thought last year was a career year, and that likely he would revert back to sucking. Everyone loves to love him and make excuses for him for what he did in 05... but it aint 05 anymore. He had a .757 OPS in 2005. There was also no reason to believe he was going to be as poor as he's been this season; assuming his back was in good enough shape to last the season, he was almost assuredly going to put up the same numbers he did in 2006, seeing as how he'd improved, by and large, every year since 2003; the main reason his 2004 season was as bad as it looked was due to his mediocre contact rate (6.7 PA/K opposed to his 7.4 for his career); however, his IsoSLG has gone up every single year he's been in the majors 2003 - 172 2004 - 179 2005 - 202 2006 - 223 You're putting a ton of stock into simply OBP, but it's quite obvious that getting on base is not Crede's strong suit. When he's hitting for power and making contact, he's going to put up numbers UNLESS he is hurt badly enough that it's affecting his game; right now, his AB/K is about 7.9, so you have to figure that his back is in extreme pain. On top of everything, Crede's only had a bad month and a half and there's reason to believe he can rebound his season to a respectable .270/.305/.450; to get there's it's gonna take about .297/.327/.510 from July 1 to the rest of the season, and that's assuming he's going to miss June; if he can make it back for June, those numbers won't be quite as high, or if he were to put up those numbers from June 1 to the rest of the year, he'd have an even better season. One thing is for sure, and that's that Crede has been a disappointment and a half thus far. He really needs to get healthy or get hurt badly enough to get on the DL so that way Fields can come up, because this half hurt, half healthy state is hurting the Sox. Edited May 26, 2007 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 24, 2007 -> 10:17 PM) Are you at all concerned that his K-rate hasn't improved a whole bunch this season (K'ing in 28% of his ABs this year vs 29% last year)? I know Cheat has commented on it, but I'm interested in your thoughts... I'm not that concerned it isn't improving, strikeouts will always be part of his game. You can find several examples of successful players who K in more than 25% of their AB's. I'm more concerned about him maintaining the improvement at the next level in areas necessary if you are gonna K a ton, BB%, XBH%. Both of which he has gotten better at every single year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 QUOTE(3E8 @ May 25, 2007 -> 07:59 PM) I'm not that concerned it isn't improving, strikeouts will always be part of his game. You can find several examples of successful players who K in more than 25% of their AB's. I'm more concerned about him maintaining the improvement at the next level in areas necessary if you are gonna K a ton, BB%, XBH%. Both of which he has gotten better at every single year. Also, if you're walking more, chances are you're working more 2-strike counts. If he's able to maintain his strikeout rate from last season, while nearly doubling an already acceptable walk rate, his contact skills have improved. It's just masked by him seeing a lot more pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2007 @ May 25, 2007 -> 01:33 AM) You say that like you knew Crede would blow so bad before the season started. Last year was a numerical fluke offensively, the regression to the means this year was inevitable for Joe. And he has a bad back. And he's due to get a big payday after next year. There was no reason to keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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