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[zenryan]

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1. Anderson Silva WOW! I guess that will end any chance of us ever seeing a Anderson/GSP fight. Forrest was toyed with so bad that he ran out of the ring.

 

2. Dan Mirg-whatever should never ref another major MMA fight ever again. He is horrible.

 

3. Penn just outclassed Florian. Florian had nothing BJ. Once BJ beats Sanchez, he will have cleaned out the 155 division. What would be left for him?

 

4. All the other fights were boring as hell. Glad to see Almeida win though.

[MHizzle85]

1. Anderson Silva WOW! I guess that will end any chance of us ever seeing a Anderson/GSP fight. Forrest was toyed with so bad that he ran out of the ring.

 

2. Dan Mirg-whatever should never ref another major MMA fight ever again. He is horrible.

 

3. Penn just outclassed Florian. Florian had nothing BJ. Once BJ beats Sanchez, he will have cleaned out the 155 division. What would be left for him?

 

4. All the other fights were boring as hell. Glad to see Almeida win though.

This was Silva's best performance in the UFC. I don't think someone's performance has ever made me stand up in amazement. Ever. He made Forrest look like s***. Hell, he made Forrest quit. I am hearing that he dislocated his jaw from one of the earlier shots...still, running out of the ring isn't a good look.

 

Dan Mirgliotta should have to turn in his ref license...he's god awful. Can't Dana & Big John kiss & make up so he can ref most of these fights?

 

BJ does it again. Once he beats Diego, you'd figure it would be Maynard or Edgar with the next shot...unless Dana can pull in some names from Japan, but after the fight with GSP, I don't see how he goes up to 170.

 

Overall, subpar night of fights other than the main events.

[justBLAZE]

Silva made Forrest look foolish.

 

I couldn't believe what I saw.

 

Lots of the fights were pretty boring I agree.

[zenryan]

Dan Mirgliotta should have to turn in his ref license...he's god awful. Can't Dana & Big John kiss & make up so he can ref most of these fights?

 

 

The AC assigns the refs so I would figure Dana would have no say if Big John was to be assigned to do a UFC. Surprised Big John hasnt been called upon unless he's declined because of the rift.

 

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

So the rumor is Anderson is strongly considering giving up the MW title and moving permanently to 205 - but still without fighting Machida. It sure looks like Anderson wants to get out of his UFC contract by escaping the championship clause so he can then go box RJJ. Ugh. I understand that Anderson wants to challenge himself but the guy isn't a boxer.

[SoxFan562004]

So the rumor is Anderson is strongly considering giving up the MW title and moving permanently to 205 - but still without fighting Machida. It sure looks like Anderson wants to get out of his UFC contract by escaping the championship clause so he can then go box RJJ. Ugh. I understand that Anderson wants to challenge himself but the guy isn't a boxer.

Zuffa will ice him for as long as they can if he wants to go that route. They'll wait to he has one fight left, offer him a title shot at whatever division he's fighting in and if he rejects it they won't schedule another fight until they have to.

 

I thought this with Machida, but now with Anderson looking good at 205, those are 2 more names you could easily add as entertaining fights for Fedor if he fought in the UFC. Would favor Fedor in both, but Fedor's not a gigantic HW and I think they would be good fights.

Edited August 9, 2009 by SoxFan562004

[SoxFan562004]

Diaz status is up in the air for next Saturday's Strikeforce card according to Meltzer. He was scheduled to take a drug test at a MMA show he was going to corner guys in but he no showed that event. Now Strikeforce is saying he'll piss on Monday, but the AC is stressing there may not be enough time to get the results to get him licensed. If he fails he won't be suspended because it's the same loophole Barnett would fall under.

 

Also, M-1 was promoting an event later this month with King Mo vs. Don Frye for the main for HDNet in Los Angeles, except they never applied for a CA promoters license. So sounds like Frye's out of the event all together and they may run the event in KC now.

 

People can complain about Zuffa and the UFC all they want, but they are on top of their stuff.

[MHizzle85]

The AC assigns the refs so I would figure Dana would have no say if Big John was to be assigned to do a UFC. Surprised Big John hasnt been called upon unless he's declined because of the rift.

I think if Dana wanted Big John in there he could do it. It's no coincidence that once he made some slightly negative remarks about the UFC in his brief stint as a analyst that he hasn't been back to ref a UFC fight.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

I think if Dana wanted Big John in there he could do it. It's no coincidence that once he made some slightly negative remarks about the UFC in his brief stint as a analyst that he hasn't been back to ref a UFC fight.

Dana has ripped Mazzagatti to shreds. Florian and Lesnar have also ripped Mazzagatti publicly, Florian doing it on MMA Live. Lots of big fighters plus the promoter of the biggest MMA promotion in the world have said they don't want Mazzagatti around. Yet, Mazzagatti is still reffing big UFC cards. Just goes to show how much influence Dana and his fighters have over the athletic commissions.

 

Dana has no say in the reffing, that's up to the commissions. The only time it matters is when the UFC goes into new territories without sanctioning bodies and then I believe Marc Ratner takes care of things on behalf of the UFC. So in those situations they may get to pick refs, but I'm not sure.

 

The reason McCarthy isn't in the UFC is because I believe he's only licensed in California. On top of that, he owns a gym which fighters will train at and he also has friendships with a lot of top fighters. Both of these issues create a conflict of interest which is why a big Zuffa card in California probably isn't going to have Big John on it. The commission is the one who sends the refs to certain events and then selects which fights they oversee. McCarthy has stated all this stuff before, and he's also said that he's made recommendations to the commission that he is specifically left out of officiating bouts because of possible conflicts of interest. In the past when the sport was a lot smaller it was a different game. But with a lot more refs now, and some good ones at that, and with a lot more money being put into the sport and a lot more money being at risk through gaming, and with a lot more eyes on the sport in general, things have to be different. In the past BJM probably could have reffed a fight between his brother and his own worst enemy and nobody would have given a f*** or said anything, but everything is changing.

Edited August 9, 2009 by Kenny Hates Prospects

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

Zuffa will ice him for as long as they can if he wants to go that route. They'll wait to he has one fight left, offer him a title shot at whatever division he's fighting in and if he rejects it they won't schedule another fight until they have to.

 

I thought this with Machida, but now with Anderson looking good at 205, those are 2 more names you could easily add as entertaining fights for Fedor if he fought in the UFC. Would favor Fedor in both, but Fedor's not a gigantic HW and I think they would be good fights.

I'd love those fights. I'd take both Anderson and Lyoto over Fedor but those fights would be close.

 

Fedor could fight Anderson, Lyoto, and Lesnar. Instead we're probably looking at Overeem, Werdum, and Rogers. Yay.

[MHizzle85]

Torres got his bell rung tonight. Another bland night of fights other than the main events.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

Torres got his bell rung tonight. Another bland night of fights other than the main events.

Are you f***ing serious? Were you seriously bored through Mizugaki-Curran and Benavidez-Cruz??? OMG the fights tonight were INCREDIBLE! Another kickass showing by the WEC - P4P the most exciting fight promotion in the world IMO.

 

I felt so sad for Miguel though. He's one of my favorites and I kind of felt like Mir after he got KO'd. But Bowles is legit and deserves it. Still think Miguel had the fight won if he'd thrown a knee right up the middle, which I was waiting for but never came. He kept coming forward while Bowles had his feet planted and kept throwing haymakers which Bowles was able to counter. I think if Torres had fired one of those nasty knees as Bowles stopped backpeddling he would have finished it. I see a pissed off Torres taking his belt back after rubbing it in the doubters' faces by smashing Benavidez on the way to a rematch.

 

Edit: Forgot about Castillo-Lamas! Man, what a wicked right hand! And I think Massouh got robbed tonight too.

Edited August 10, 2009 by Kenny Hates Prospects

[son of a rude]

I'd love those fights. I'd take both Anderson and Lyoto over Fedor but those fights would be close.

 

Fedor could fight Anderson, Lyoto, and Lesnar. Instead we're probably looking at Overeem, Werdum, and Rogers. Yay.

Fedor would absolutely manhandle Anderson. Let me remind you that this crazy russian got suplexed and got back up like he had just received a massage... The man feels no pain. Fedor would just be too big for Silva. A 30 pound difference is a lot..

[MHizzle85]

Are you f***ing serious? Were you seriously bored through Mizugaki-Curran and Benavidez-Cruz??? OMG the fights tonight were INCREDIBLE! Another kickass showing by the WEC - P4P the most exciting fight promotion in the world IMO.

 

I felt so sad for Miguel though. He's one of my favorites and I kind of felt like Mir after he got KO'd. But Bowles is legit and deserves it. Still think Miguel had the fight won if he'd thrown a knee right up the middle, which I was waiting for but never came. He kept coming forward while Bowles had his feet planted and kept throwing haymakers which Bowles was able to counter. I think if Torres had fired one of those nasty knees as Bowles stopped backpeddling he would have finished it. I see a pissed off Torres taking his belt back after rubbing it in the doubters' faces by smashing Benavidez on the way to a rematch.

 

Edit: Forgot about Castillo-Lamas! Man, what a wicked right hand! And I think Massouh got robbed tonight too.

 

I said the main events meaning that I also enjoyed Benavidez/Cruz. I thought the Mizugaki/Curran fight was decent, but Curran got robbed. American judges will never give the fight to the guy on his back it seems.

 

Castillo did work too.

[MHizzle85]

Fedor would absolutely manhandle Anderson. Let me remind you that this crazy russian got suplexed and got back up like he had just received a massage... The man feels no pain. Fedor would just be too big for Silva. A 30 pound difference is a lot..

I'm not saying that I exactly agree with you, but skill beats size every time.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

Fedor would absolutely manhandle Anderson. Let me remind you that this crazy russian got suplexed and got back up like he had just received a massage... The man feels no pain. Fedor would just be too big for Silva. A 30 pound difference is a lot..

Yeah, Fedor can take damage but he's never faced anyone anywhere near Anderson's skill level, not even close. His "size advantage" really isn't much considering he has a small frame for HW and is a natural 205lb fighter who doesn't want to cut weight. And if he does have about a 15lb weight advantage come fight time, how does that help him? The only way that would help him is if they get to grappling, where Fedor would have the advantage in BJJ, but Anderson doesn't easily get taken down. Anderson also would have the advantage on the feet because he's just as quick as Fedor on his feet and he could use his kicks to keep Fedor out of range. Fedor would have to come in close to strike with Anderson and Anderson doesn't just stand around waiting for his opponent to come close and exchange. Anderson only stood in front of Forrest and Franklin because he was clowning them both and didn't respect their striking ability. Against Fedor he'd be more cautious, and for the first round or two, since they are both counter fighters, there wouldn't be a flurry of action - unless Fedor tried to be the aggressor early, in which case he'd get KTFO.

 

Fedor can take a lot but he also got dropped by Fujita and Anderson is like 100X better striker than him, plus he hits at least as hard, probably much harder because Anderson is far quicker with his hands and far more accurate with his punches than Fujita.

 

If Fedor doesn't sign with the UFC after his 3-fight deal with Strikeforce & M-1 is up then I'll be convinced he's ducking competition. Nobody he'll face in Strikeforce is as good as the top UFC LHW and he also won't face a wrestler or athlete anywhere near as tough as Lesnar. P4P skill-wise, Fedor's competition hasn't been as tough as Anderson's and maybe not even as tough as Lyoto's either because the HW division is the least skilled in all of men's MMA. The only reason Fedor should be considered one of the P4P best is because of his fighting style, not his record. His hands are extremely quick and powerful, he reacts and counters as well as anyone in the game, he's extremely hard to hit, and on the ground he's a beast with GNP and submissions. But IMO he's not better than Anderson or Lyoto until he proves it, but he is capable of beating them.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

I said the main events meaning that I also enjoyed Benavidez/Cruz. I thought the Mizugaki/Curran fight was decent, but Curran got robbed. American judges will never give the fight to the guy on his back it seems.

 

Castillo did work too.

Ok I understand that now. Agree the Curran decision was questionable, but I think Mir made it worse by overselling Curran (although I did definitely think Curran won the 3rd round).

[zenryan]

Yeah, Fedor can take damage but he's never faced anyone anywhere near Anderson's skill level, not even close. His "size advantage" really isn't much considering he has a small frame for HW and is a natural 205lb fighter who doesn't want to cut weight. And if he does have about a 15lb weight advantage come fight time, how does that help him? The only way that would help him is if they get to grappling, where Fedor would have the advantage in BJJ, but Anderson doesn't easily get taken down. Anderson also would have the advantage on the feet because he's just as quick as Fedor on his feet and he could use his kicks to keep Fedor out of range. Fedor would have to come in close to strike with Anderson and Anderson doesn't just stand around waiting for his opponent to come close and exchange. Anderson only stood in front of Forrest and Franklin because he was clowning them both and didn't respect their striking ability. Against Fedor he'd be more cautious, and for the first round or two, since they are both counter fighters, there wouldn't be a flurry of action - unless Fedor tried to be the aggressor early, in which case he'd get KTFO.

 

Fedor can take a lot but he also got dropped by Fujita and Anderson is like 100X better striker than him, plus he hits at least as hard, probably much harder because Anderson is far quicker with his hands and far more accurate with his punches than Fujita.

 

If Fedor doesn't sign with the UFC after his 3-fight deal with Strikeforce & M-1 is up then I'll be convinced he's ducking competition. Nobody he'll face in Strikeforce is as good as the top UFC LHW and he also won't face a wrestler or athlete anywhere near as tough as Lesnar. P4P skill-wise, Fedor's competition hasn't been as tough as Anderson's and maybe not even as tough as Lyoto's either because the HW division is the least skilled in all of men's MMA. The only reason Fedor should be considered one of the P4P best is because of his fighting style, not his record. His hands are extremely quick and powerful, he reacts and counters as well as anyone in the game, he's extremely hard to hit, and on the ground he's a beast with GNP and submissions. But IMO he's not better than Anderson or Lyoto until he proves it, but he is capable of beating them.

 

 

Mirko was one of the most feared strikers in the mid 2000s and Fedor outstruck Mirko in their fight. Anderson might be the better striker but saying Fedor hasnt fought anyone close to Anderson's level is a stretch. Back in the mid 2000s the heavyweight division was tough and he cleaned it out. I would say the 185 and 205 divisions right now arent that great.

 

Lutter got Anderson down and mounted him. Henderson was able to get him down too. I'm sure Fedor would be able to trip Anderson down if he wanted.

 

I dont know how you can say Fedor is not better than Machida until he proves it. Other than beating Rashard, how has Machida proved to be better than Fedor. You put their resumes next to each others and its not even close. He KOed Franklin 6 years ago and went to a decision vs a smaller BJ Penn. Since you brought up Fedor getting rockedng rocked by Fujita, Machida almost got triangled by Tito. Tito has never came close to putting anyone in a submission.

 

 

Saying Fedor is ducking people if he doesnt sign with the UFC is laughable. Look at who he has fought and was suppose to fight. This is typical MMA fan knee jerk reaction after every event. GSP fights great while Anderson fights boring and GSP is the greatest. Then Fedor fights and he is unstoppable. Then Anderson finally dominates like GSP and Fedor has been and Anderson is the greatest again.

 

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

Mirko was one of the most feared strikers in the mid 2000s and Fedor outstruck Mirko in their fight. Anderson might be the better striker but saying Fedor hasnt fought anyone close to Anderson's level is a stretch. Back in the mid 2000s the heavyweight division was tough and he cleaned it out. I would say the 185 and 205 divisions right now arent that great.

 

Lutter got Anderson down and mounted him. Henderson was able to get him down too. I'm sure Fedor would be able to trip Anderson down if he wanted.

 

I dont know how you can say Fedor is not better than Machida until he proves it. Other than beating Rashard, how has Machida proved to be better than Fedor. You put their resumes next to each others and its not even close. He KOed Franklin 6 years ago and went to a decision vs a smaller BJ Penn. Since you brought up Fedor getting rockedng rocked by Fujita, Machida almost got triangled by Tito. Tito has never came close to putting anyone in a submission.

 

 

Saying Fedor is ducking people if he doesnt sign with the UFC is laughable. Look at who he has fought and was suppose to fight. This is typical MMA fan knee jerk reaction after every event. GSP fights great while Anderson fights boring and GSP is the greatest. Then Fedor fights and he is unstoppable. Then Anderson finally dominates like GSP and Fedor has been and Anderson is the greatest again.

I don't think it's a stretch at all to say Fedor has never fought anyone on Anderson's level. Mirko, Arona, and Nog in their primes still weren't Anderson. On the same token, Anderson and Lyoto have never fought anyone close to Fedor's skill level either.

 

I'd personally pick both Lyoto and Anderson over Fedor but I certainly wouldn't bet anything on it because I think Fedor has the skills to beat both. But looking at each fighter's abilities alone, I don't see how anyone can say Fedor is definitely better than either Anderson or Lyoto. I think they're all very, very close. The notion that Fedor is #1 P4P without dispute just because he is basically undefeated is ridiculous to me. If we're going by record, I think GSP has faced and destroyed a much higher quality of competition and you hardly see him ranked #1 P4P. And yes GSP lost to Serra, but that loss made him a better fighter. So for example, it's hard for me to take a point from GSP for losing to Serra and becoming the fighter he is today and then praise Fedor for massacring Zulu.

 

I disagree completely that 185 and 205 are weak. Show me a HW aside from Fedor who skill-wise is on the level of a Nate Marquardt, Dan Henderson, Rich Franklin, Luiz Cane, Rashad Evans, Rampage, Thiago Silva, Shogun, etc. etc. etc. Anyone who thinks guys like Sylvia, AA, Rogers, Werdum, etc. are on that level is nuts. Even Lesnar, the best of them all IMO minus Fedor, is extremely one-dimensional right now and has major flaws in his game. And roider Barnett is one of the most overrated guys out there despite being well-rounded. HW is getting better but P4P it still sucks compared to every other major division.

 

Machida had the flu when he fought Tito anyway. And the point I brought up about Fedor getting hurt by Fujita was to address the notion that Fedor can't be hurt. He can, it's just that he's so much better than 99% of the guys out there that hardly anybody is going to challenge him and take him to that point.

 

And yes, if Fedor re-signs with M-1 after his deal is up in order to "co-promote" again it is ducking. The Strikeforce deal is a different matter because that takes him through his M-1 deal and I think I read somewhere where Fedor had said that if the UFC gave him the same deal they last gave him before he signed with M-1, then he would have signed with the UFC. So after M-1 is gone he should sign. I don't personally believe Fedor is ducking anyone right now and that's why I wouldn't say he is unless he re-ups with M-1, but I do believe that M-1 is a leach that is sucking off Fedor to grow themselves, and that perhaps the M-1 people are ducking because they don't want to risk their investment. I mean they talk about co-promotion all day, but if they truly believed Fedor could come into the UFC and clean house and then leave under the M-1 banner, why wouldn't they do that? They'll get far more exposure that way than they would otherwise, even with the CBS deal. I know Fedor owns a share of M-1 but it can't be all that significant and it can't be significant enough for him to pass on a much better deal.

[SoxFan562004]

mmaweekly.com is reporting that Diaz is out for Saturday, he never showed up for a drug test. Jesse Taylor of TUF fame is in against Heiron Saturday night.

 

 

[zenryan]

Nick Diaz's act is getting old.

 

 

Good for Taylor though. Would like to see him do well after acting like a dummy on TUF.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

Taylor has really taken off since TUF. It's kind of s***ty that the Dana kept him away but constantly forgave Junie. Oh well, Taylor will make the most of it with Strikeforce. Good for him.

[MHizzle85]

Ugh, with no Diaz my interest in this Strikeforce card has dropped a bit.

[SoxFan562004]

According to Meltzer, the CSAC sent a memo to those in title fights Saturday (Carano/Cyborg and Melendez/Ishida) saying they get one shot to weigh in and make weight for it to be a title fight... so basically if you miss weight at the first weigh-in the fight can still go on but it cannot be a title fight... interesting because the women's division has had a bad history of fighters making weight, including that travesty/joke that happened in the last Cyborg fight

[SoxFan562004]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/8/13/98812...ogin=1250189665

 

Rumor going around that Fedor's first Strikeforce fight will be against Ricco Rodriquez... if this is true I will sorely be dissapointed and don't want to hear anything from M-1 or Fedor for awhile