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[Kenny Hates Prospects]

KHP---did you see the thread on the OG where the 4chan crew is harassing the girl who took the video. They got her email,her name,her address,etc.

Not yet, haven't been the OG yet. But I know people are going after the white girl with the headphones that they apparently call Amber Lamps. The internet should just leave these people alone. EBM wouldn't condone this s***. He's all about taking murderers off the street, not harrassing innocent people. And even if the girl who took the video is a racist b****, then still, leave her alone anyway.

 

For Kyyle, here's the Dan Quinn video I was talking about:

 

I would post the video but I'm honestly not all that great at the internet and I don't know how.

 

Dan Quinn has been around for years making s***ty Youtube videos, and on the MMA forums he constantly disappears and reappears as a topic of conversation. If you don't know the backstory, he claims to be the Angel Maitreya. He thinks his hands are as fast as Ali's, and I think his uncle once tied him to a tree or something. He ranted about that once, I think while talking about aliens and the pyramids. But he's in his 40's and is bats*** crazy. He lives with his mom and makes Youtube videos caling people out (he actually fights professionally in really small shows and has a loss to Frank Mir on his record). There's this natural plant called stevia which is used as a sweetener all over the world, but mostly in the Far East. Dan Quinn believes this plant is the secret to everything, including building spaceships, losing weight, curing cancer in cats, etc. Pretty much anything you can think of. He believes his mission is to send the message of stevia and its powers to everyone in the world, and somehow this will get him billions of dollars. He even once called into the Alex Jones show to spread his message (Alex Jones if you don't know is a conspiracy theorist radio show host) that the governments are hiding the power of stevia from the public. Dan Quinn's secret to long-lasting life and great health is to take pure H2O (plain filtered tap water is good enough) and put it in a blender with stevia. The resulting foam is actually "soap" that is hidden in the water, and in order to gain super powers you have to clear off the foam and drink the pure H2O with stevia in it. I know this sounds stupid, but this guy believes all this, and it goes much, much deeper. He's crazier than any crazy out there. He has a prescription for medical marijuana and his idea of training for a fight is to take pure H2O/stevia water and put it in a used gatorade bottle with marijuana tea or something. Honestly I think he's mixing his stevia with bong water and drinking it, really. But anyway, most of his videos are kind of dumb, but every now and then a really good one will pop up where he goes on rants and reveals embarrassing details of his life while threatening people. So check this one out, and that's a little backstory so you can better understand what is going on.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

Jesus Christ

 

http://amberlamps.co.cc/pics.html

 

Someone needs to find this girl and get her the hell out of this country, and quick.

[MHizzle85]

As much as I'd love to keep EBM talk going, we've got a PPV from last night to discuss boys!

 

- Cro Cop looked alright. I'd like to see him in there against someone more prepared though.

 

- I like Bader so last night was a good step in his career, not completely sold on him though.

 

- Sotiropoulos/Stevenson easily had the fight of the night, just crazy fun jiu-jitsu

 

- Bisping will be the equivalent of a mid-carder in pro wrestling. He's gonna lose to guys that are better than him & beat the guys he should.

 

- I think KHP was the Cain non-believer. I hope you believe now sir. It's hard now to say what you do with Big Nog. I wouldn't say he's gotta retire now, but the countdown clock has now started.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

As much as I'd love to keep EBM talk going, we've got a PPV from last night to discuss boys!

 

- Cro Cop looked alright. I'd like to see him in there against someone more prepared though.

 

- I like Bader so last night was a good step in his career, not completely sold on him though.

 

- Sotiropoulos/Stevenson easily had the fight of the night, just crazy fun jiu-jitsu

 

- Bisping will be the equivalent of a mid-carder in pro wrestling. He's gonna lose to guys that are better than him & beat the guys he should.

 

- I think KHP was the Cain non-believer. I hope you believe now sir. It's hard now to say what you do with Big Nog. I wouldn't say he's gotta retire now, but the countdown clock has now started.

MHizzle, you always tell me this about Cain every time he wins. Nog was the first guy Cain has ever fought in his career that was a tough matchup for him. He showed improvement on the feet, and he did impress me, but my opinion of him has never changed. He's a very good fighter, a top-10 guy definitely. But he's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overhyped still and will continue to be. Miguel Torres called him the next great HW and his camp hypes him as the future of the sport at HW. LMAO, no f***ing way, he's too small. That might be true if the UFC brings in a 230lb class but there's no way he's out-muscling Lesnar and probably not Carwin either. Cain MAY get the next crack at Lesnar, and if he does, you'll see exactly what I've been the whole time. Lesnar will trounce him, and if Fedor ever comes to the UFC Fedor will light him up like a f***ing Christmas tree.

 

So again, I don't think I ever said Cain sucked or that he wasn't any good. My problems with him are 1) his excessive hype, and 2) that ignorant-ass tattoo on his chest, no matter how much he defends it.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

CC looked like he was going through the motions to me. He looked better simply because he was fighting a guy who didn't bring it and who doesn't belong in the UFC to begin with. CC's killer instinct is gone and without that there's really nothing left. He just looked like he wanted to win each exchange for as long as possible until the time expired.

 

But anyway, back to EBM...

 

[zenryan]

Mirko is done IMO. I dont think his heart is in it to compensate his diminishing skills. He was a great fighter but the end is near. Kinda sad to see this wave of great PRIDE fighters getting to the age where they are on the downside of their careers. And unlike in other sports, in MMA when you start to lose it, you lose it fast.

 

Nice win for Bader but I dont see him being much more than a mid-card fighter though. Nothing wrong with that though.

 

Bisping is the perfect gatekeeper for 185. Feed him good opponents and he'll lose. Then give him some easy fights in England so he can still be the pride of Britain.

 

Big win for Cain but it's sad to see the end of Nog. Too many wars in Japan have caught up to him since he's arrived in the UFC. I still think he can win any fight IF it gets to the ground but none of the top heavies will take him down. He still has some fights in him but I just dont see how he can beat the big wrestlers who can trade power punches. I'd love to see a Nog vs Gonzaga fight though. Or give us Mirko vs Nog so we can pretend PRIDE is still alive!

 

I think Cain should fight the winner of Dos Santos/Gonzaga for a title elimination bout. I'd assume the winner of Carwin/Mir gets Lesnar,especially if Mir wins. Just hope Lesnar doesnt have much ring rust for that title bout.

 

 

[SoxFan562004]

I think Cain should fight the winner of Dos Santos/Gonzaga for a title elimination bout. I'd assume the winner of Carwin/Mir gets Lesnar,especially if Mir wins. Just hope Lesnar doesnt have much ring rust for that title bout.

 

Plan right now is to have Lesnar fight the winner of Carwin/Mir unless that winner gets injured to the point where he would have to take a few months off, then Cain will fight Lesnar.

 

Personally I think the UFC is smart in giving Lesnar a tough match right away because he is such an immense draw and coming off a real bad health situation that they can easily spin a loss to the point where he loses little drawing power and a win makes him look even more like superman.

 

Rumor is they're going to have the Cro Cop/Rothwell match pretty quickly since Mirko didn't get pushed much and Rothwell is basically still in good shape and just got sick at the wrong time. Also, we should see Wand/Akiyama soon, maybe on the Montreal card.

 

Strikeforce is getting a little murky right now. Basically M-1 announced today that the Fedor/Werdum match will be in May, not April, presumably still on CBS. Now, I'm not sure if they're going to run a Showtime card in April with the Hendo/Shileds match or track it with the CBS card.

 

Also seeing stuff that Overeem is going to roll the dice on a U.S. drug test and fight Rogers on the May card for the title. (yes, Brett Rogers who lost to Fedor in Nov., why they wouldn't have Bigfoot fight Overeem is beyond me). Let's make this more complicated for Strikeforce... Fedor signed a one year/ 3 fight deal with Strikeforce in about August of last year, so if he beats Werdum (which, as much much respect I have for Werdum, I would bet a sizable amount Fedor wins) he has 1 fight and roughly 2 1/2 months left on his Strikeforce contract AND 1 fight left on his M-1 contract. So, basically M-1 did an awesome job of putting Fedor in a great position, basically they can go to Strikeforce, ask for whatever the hell they want and if Strikeforce says no, they'll sit him out until August, have him fight a can in DREAM and he is complete free agent and maybe with the 50% promotion M-1 contract it clears the last hurdles for the UFC. I understand Fedor is part owner of M-1, but that doesn't mean he could have broken his 50% contract because other partners could have sued him, Dana already said they would have let Fedor walk into the octagon with M-1 plastered all over his body, they were balking at the promotional split.

 

Why isn't Fedor fighting Overeem in May? Well, basically M-1 has been slamming Overeem and his =cough= workout regimen =cough= and have turned down a fight with Overeem.

[zenryan]

Personally I think the UFC is smart in giving Lesnar a tough match right away because he is such an immense draw and coming off a real bad health situation that they can easily spin a loss to the point where he loses little drawing power and a win makes him look even more like superman.

 

 

 

Well they dont have much choice either since he is the champ. PRIDE use to give all their champs a can once in awhile just to get their champ on a card quicker.

 

I personally cant stand Mir, so I hope he wins so we can see the hype of Lesnar-Mir 3. And Mir better watch it, he said he wants Lesnar to be the first to die of octagon related injuries but if Lesnar crushes Mir again, Mir might suicide himself. The guy has such an unhealthy obsession of Lesnar that his life might collapse after another beatdown.

[SoxFan562004]

Looks like Cro Cop vs. Pat Barry and Ben Rothwell vs. Gilbert Yvel, both at 115.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

I will go out on a limb here (sarcasm) and call Barry as Mirko's last opponent in the UFC. Rothwell-Yvel definitely could be fun to watch though.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

Well they dont have much choice either since he is the champ. PRIDE use to give all their champs a can once in awhile just to get their champ on a card quicker.

 

I personally cant stand Mir, so I hope he wins so we can see the hype of Lesnar-Mir 3. And Mir better watch it, he said he wants Lesnar to be the first to die of octagon related injuries but if Lesnar crushes Mir again, Mir might suicide himself. The guy has such an unhealthy obsession of Lesnar that his life might collapse after another beatdown.

Personally I don't really mind Mir. I have tons of respect for someone who can go from being right on the cusp of being cut from the UFC and ten years later ending up as an answer to a trivia question to becoming a legit top contender with quality wins over quality opponents and one of the better draws in the sport. He's cocky as f***, and generally I don't like that, but I think his WEC commentating has me overlooking that quite a bit. And I do think Mir is pretty underrated and over-criticized as a commentator too, because while he may be a homer (Torres and Faber are to Mir what the Sox are to Hawk), he does do a good job of staying on top of things and explaining what's happening in the cage, and that has to be extremely tough especially when dealing with the WEC guys who just go, go, go.

 

But that said, I get the same creepy "Mir might suicide himself" feeling too. Maybe that's because Mir *is* creepy. Brock will crush what's left of his soul if they ever meet again.

 

The Brock fan part of me wants to see Brock destroy Mir in a trilogy fight, but the MMA fan part of me wants to see Brock and Carwin because that's a lot more interesting, and because it'll force Brock to showcase his stand-up and clinch work a lot more. But I really, really hope Brock gets Cain because I'm sick of hearing all the "Cain will smash Brock", "Cain will smash Fedor" crap. Frate Train > Hype Train.

Edited February 28, 2010 by Kenny Hates Prospects

[SoxFan562004]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templa...9&zoneid=13

 

BJ was all over CNN today with the Hawaii tsunami coverage.

 

I've seen a few places that M-1 is trying to renegotiate a more favorable contract for Fedor with Strikeforce, and CBS will do the April show without him with Hendo/Shields headlining and Gegard vs. King Mo. I initially saw a few places that Hershel Walker was going to fight on it, but on the Challengers Series show last night on Showtime (FWIW don't bother catching a replay of that show) they interviewed Walker and he said nothing about April and is unsure if he'll fight MMA again. Also heard they're trying to get Melendez vs. Aoki for that show as well. It will be interesting to see what happens with Fedor's next Strikeforce fight, because I had read a few places he has a CBS only contract. Also seeing that M-1 is pulling a Mayweather as far as drug testing for an Overeem fight.

 

Mousasi left M-1 management a few weeks ago, he still has some fights left on his Strikeforce deal, so he's not going anywhere for awhile.

[SoxFan562004]

Looks like Rogers/Overeem will be on a May Strikeforce card on Showtime... not really sure why they wouldn't try to get that on the April CBS card. If the point of this fight is to push Overeem to the U.S. market, well, Showtime cards do good ratings for Showtime, but overall I think they've peaked at around 600k viewers for the Gina/Cyborg fight, that's not exactly drawing the casual fan.

 

Still kind of a question mark on what's going on with Fedor. Josh Gross of si.com tweeted that he asked Coker about Fedor and said he wouldn't say anything but "we've held up our end of the contract."

 

Just speculation, but I wonder if the M-1 payday for the November show ended up being far less than they thought it would be and are looking for more money, especially considering that according to numerous reports the UFC offer was huge money. Who knows, I just really want to see Fedor fight somewhere on a regular basis again.

Edited March 2, 2010 by SoxFan562004

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

I don't really care where Fedor fights, I just want him to hurry up and finish out his commitment to M-1 so he can go to the UFC. Does anyone know exactly what kind of stake Fedor has in M-1? Has that ever been reported anywhere? Meltzer maybe?

[SoxFan562004]

I don't really care where Fedor fights, I just want him to hurry up and finish out his commitment to M-1 so he can go to the UFC. Does anyone know exactly what kind of stake Fedor has in M-1? Has that ever been reported anywhere? Meltzer maybe?

That's the boat I'm in, I just want Fedor to fight on a consistent basis with out the drama, I would prefer the UFC, but honestly would take Strikeforce or Japan. Also, Barnett officially signed with DREAM, so I wouldn't be shocked if the Strikeforce/Fedor thing drags on we see Fedor/Barnett in DREAM. (His Strikeforce contract is North American exclusive only)

 

I've never heard how much he owns of M-1, but from my understanding the per se ownership isn't crippling him right now, it's the 50% promotional contract he has fights left he signed with M-1 that is the hold up. From my understanding he and Vlad aren't majority enough owners to break that contract without fear of a breach lawsuit. Basically, I would guess if he and Vlad where the majority owners they could break it and buy off the other owners.

 

Also, I tweeted Josh Gross from si.com about the Overeem/Rogers fight, he basically said nothing official, but it's very likely and it will happen on Showtime, not CBS.

Edited March 2, 2010 by SoxFan562004

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

The reason I asked about Fedor's stake in M-1 is because I have to wonder how much Fedor is really getting for himself out of this whole mess with M-1. I mean if it's just a small stake in a company that's in flux and doesn't have much of a presence in the parts of the world where MMA really matters right now then I wonder if Fedor will refuse to extend the partnership and just keep Vadim around as an agent or something once the current deal expires. I mean it makes sense for Fedor to plan for the future and look to get into the business side of things once his MMA career is over, but right now Fedor just needs to fight and make the most money for himself that he can while he still can, and it appears the UFC is the best fit for that and that M-1 is the biggest stumbling block. I hope Fedor just ditches these guys but I doubt that happens. Even Aleks has come out publicly and said M-1 is shady and they aren't looking out for Fedor's best interests.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

I'm also with you on Overeem/Rogers not making sense for Showtime, but that's I guess what happens when you give al your power to networks and so forth. I think everyone knew this was going to happen with Strikeforce. Too many hands in the cookie jar. It's been a while since I've heard Strikeforce talk about PPVs and I have no idea how they're going to be able to do a PPV when CBS and Showtime are calling the shots with regards to their top fighters.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

Also, if we ever see Canseco vs. Herschel announced we'll know that in terms of CBS cards Scott Coker doesn't have much more say than you or I do. Coker keeps saying no to Canseco and yet the topic's not going away.

[SoxFan562004]

I'm also with you on Overeem/Rogers not making sense for Showtime, but that's I guess what happens when you give al your power to networks and so forth. I think everyone knew this was going to happen with Strikeforce. Too many hands in the cookie jar. It's been a while since I've heard Strikeforce talk about PPVs and I have no idea how they're going to be able to do a PPV when CBS and Showtime are calling the shots with regards to their top fighters.

This is just a gut feeling of mine, but I think the second Strikeforce announces a PPV, the UFC agree to a network deal and put it head-to-head with any attempted Strikeforce PPV.

 

A reason I think there's been little talk of a PPV is how do you promote it effectively? They would need to stack a card for a PPV, so it couldn't be too close to a CBS card because it would risk too many of their big names, and the Showtime cards flat out don't get enough ratings, especially with casual fans. With Spike and reruns on MTV2 the UFC have a great outlet for their hype shows and they're branded and run on a consistent basis where people look for them, not to mention when TUF is running and they can run commercials on that, Unleashed and replays of Ultimate Knockouts.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

This is just a gut feeling of mine, but I think the second Strikeforce announces a PPV, the UFC agree to a network deal and put it head-to-head with any attempted Strikeforce PPV.

 

A reason I think there's been little talk of a PPV is how do you promote it effectively? They would need to stack a card for a PPV, so it couldn't be too close to a CBS card because it would risk too many of their big names, and the Showtime cards flat out don't get enough ratings, especially with casual fans. With Spike and reruns on MTV2 the UFC have a great outlet for their hype shows and they're branded and run on a consistent basis where people look for them, not to mention when TUF is running and they can run commercials on that, Unleashed and replays of Ultimate Knockouts.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. Too many other companies involved will keep Strikeforce from stacking a PPV card like they need to, and even if they are somehow able to do that, they still won't get enough hype - and they'll need lots of promotion as it is because with the UFC the brand alone sells itself, and Strikeforce doesn't have anything like that. You can watch Strikeforce on CBS and they're pushing the CBS name. Watch Strikeforce on Showtime and they're pushing the Showtime name. I imagine most casual fans wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between "CBS/Showtime presents Strikeforce" and "CBS/Showtime presents Cage Rage."

 

Strikeforce probably should have done a TUF or something like that. Nobody in MMA is a better partner than SpikeTV has been for the UFC, and I'm even saying this as a SpikeTV hater.

 

On the network deal though, I think it's going to end up being NBC sooner or later. Versus will become NBCSports, the UFC and WEC will stick around as flagship programming, and that will lead to the UFC on NBC. And even better, maybe we'll eventually get a couple hybrid UFC/WEC cards on NBC. That would be f***ing sick.

[MHizzle85]

I don't think other companies will keep SF from going to PPV. SF is keeping SF from going to PPV. Not enough drawing power & they barely have their s*** together as it is. The card in April won't have a whole lot for the casual MMA fan. Hardcore fans are gonna love some of the matchups.

[MHizzle85]

Well, now apparently Overeem/Rogers will be for the heavyweight title...

[SoxFan562004]

Well, now apparently Overeem/Rogers will be for the heavyweight title...

eh, I don't mind the match, but I liked it as a non-title considering Rogers was coming off the loss.

[SoxFan562004]

5-Oz of pain is reporting HW boxer James Toney has inked with the UFC... I have no idea how reliable that site is though

 

UPDATE: This is official, Dana has confirmed... no confirmation on who he's training with (rumor is Juan Ibarro) or when or who he'll fight

Edited March 3, 2010 by SoxFan562004

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

It's brutally hilarious that the little troll Juanito - whose claim to fame is tightening up Rampage's boxing and then conning Rampage out of a bunch of money - is the one who is going to be working with Toney, who doesn't need any help on his boxing and is just looking for a payday.

 

This signing feels kind of dirty and cheap in a way but at the same time Toney is a legit boxer and is already well more qualified to be in the Octagon than a lot of the fighters Zuffa throws out there, so I can't complain. I guess it just feels dirty to me because it doesn't look like either side is going into this thing for the right reasons. Toney is going into at after his career is basically over after talking a ton of s*** about MMA and we know Dana is going to try to use Toney for either (and maybe both) of these reasons: 1) he'll use Toney to counter a Strikeforce Herschel-Canseco freakshow fight, or 2) he'll set Toney up with a top-level grappler who will waste Toney, prompting Dana to run his mouth about how the UFC is taking over and is so much better than boxing. I love Dana, and I don't watch boxing very often at all, but I wish he'd cut out the s*** talk about boxing, and I wish the boxing-MMA trash talk would just end already with both sides respecting each other as two different sports where one is not any better than the other. It's annoying as s***.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Kenny Hates Prospects