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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 13, 2011 -> 10:37 AM)
So does anyone believe Fedor fights under the UFC banner? Or does his SF contract expire and he goes his own way?

all has to do with M-1... Zuffa will never copromote with M-1 under the UFC banner IMO, they may be forced to do it under SF depending on what the contract says. Only way I see Fedor fighting under the UFC banner is if M-1 doesn't have to have co-promotional title and he fights Randy and I only say that because Fedor did solid ratings for his loss against Bigfoot and Zuffa might see some money in it. However, my feeling is no, Fedor won't ever fight under the UFC banner and I wouldn't be shocked if his SF/M-1 deal he just signed is non-transferable like his PRIDE deal was.

 

EDIT: Just saw an article about this, M-1 says Fedor's deal is with Showtime, so the purchase has zero effect. M-1 actually has a show coming up the 25th on Showtime separate from SF, so I wouldn't be shocked if we never see Fedor in anything but an M-1 show from now on.

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QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Mar 8, 2011 -> 07:28 PM)
If he keeps his current style Canelo is going to put on some crazy entertaining fights, might not be the best for longterm career, but damn, that guy just stands there and he has some heavy hands.

 

I'd pay to see a Canelo/Cotto fight

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QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Mar 15, 2011 -> 01:08 PM)
I'd pay to see a Canelo/Cotto fight

no doubt, and just want to clear something up when I re-read my post about Canelo, I said he "just stands there" didn't mean he doesn't have good movement/talent, he is just a real trade and bang style fighter.

 

 

Interesting UFC tomorrow, Shogun/Bones picked up a lot of steam the last few days, on some MMA message boards it's like the dividing line to end all dividing lines. Big fight for Faber, Zuffa pulling for him hard I'm sure so he and Cruz can coach TUF next season with 135 and 145. Faber should win, no disrespect to Wineland, but Faber is a better fighter.

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in the press conference yesterday Dana completely shut down talk of GSP/Silva, so sounds like one of the camps didn't want a part of it. I would guess Okami is next for Silva and obviously GSP has Shields in about 5 weeks. If GSP wins not 100% sure what is next for him. Penn/Fitch II is set for 4th of July weekend, so I don't think they would want him waiting 2 months then seeing when they can schedule a fight for him. Who knows, the SF stuff really leaves a lot up in the air, the contracts are transferable, wouldn't put it over 50% but wouldn't be shocked if we see Diaz/GSP as one of the first crossover fights.

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QUOTE (zenryan @ Apr 9, 2011 -> 10:47 PM)
Wow, what awesome fights Strikeforce had tonight.

 

 

It's a shame that the UFC never produces so many exciting fights on their PPVs.

they probably could if they ran fewer shows, I mean SF won't run any event for 2 months... although Zuffa said they're upping number of SF shows after the June event.

If UFC wanted to run one show in roughly two months they can make a card of - (using 130 to 132, which is slightly over 2 months of cards for them)

 

GSP vs. Shields

Edgar vs. Maynard III (which, even though Diaz/Daley is clearly round of the year, Edgar vs. Maynard II is still fight of the year IMO)

Machida vs. Couture

Dos Santos vs. Lesnar

Faber vs. Cruz

Rampage vs. Hamill

W. Silva vs. Leben

Frank Mir vs Roy Nelson

Brian Stann vs. Jorge Santiago

Miguel Torres vs. Brad Fickett

 

and some other potentially exciting fights, and that's only using fights scheduled, take those fighters and others not listed, including an exciting fighter like Condit, and mix and match. So yeah, SF ran/runs exciting shows, but they often have the luxury of running fewer shows and having less contenders, making fights. Again, not to rag on SF at all, but they had a completely different business model than UFC had.

 

As a fan I love the SF shows, but also appreciate the UFC shows a ton since we usually get to see upper level fights, mid level fights and some prospect fights.

 

Not to rag on SF here, but IMO the fights were definitely "exciting" but outside of Melendez last night, winners didn't do anything to change my opinion on them as far as their status in their division goes. Melendez was a flat out beast, unfortunately we won't see Melendez/Alvarez, but I'm really hoping Gil is the first SF guy to UFC. Winner of Edgar/Maynard III or at least Showtime/Guida (Gil would wreck Guido or Pettis IMO though) is hopefully next for him.

 

but nothing last night showed me that Diaz wouldn't struggle with a wrestler with good top control. GSP, Fitch and even Kos would be a bad matchup for him. BJ/Nick Diaz would be a great match though.

 

Gegard, if anything took a step back in LHW. Should he have won the decision? Sure, but so what? Say he wins it and he fights Hendo next, Hendo absolutely runs through him with wrestling. I'm sure Zuffa wanted Gegard to take a major step last night, even talk of a possible UFC entry soon, but getting taken down at will by and not finishing a 35 year old Jardine on the downside of his career that took the fight on 10 days notice was not impressive. I think Zuffa wanted him to enter the conversation with guys on the level of Rashad, Rampage, Hendo, Shogun, and Machida where they're basically one fight away from a title shot, but last night, a logical match-up for him would be a Ryan Bader match-up to see if he can do anything against a wrestler.

 

Aoki, I'll cut him some slack, that was setup as an old WWF squash match and he pulled it off. The guy is use to the ring, they gave him a fight against an overmatched opponent and he wrecked the guy.

 

As a fan I would be REALLY annoyed in Zuffa and Showtime if Nick Diaz fights Woodley next and Gil fights Josh Thompson next... no offense to Woodley or Thompson, but let's get creative and see some better matches for those two with Zuffa's roster. Even if they don't want to make GSP/Diaz or Diaz/Fitch... let Alves, Condit or Diego fight him on a SF card, same thing for Gil, at least give us Jim Miller or Guillard against him on a SF card

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QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Apr 10, 2011 -> 09:02 AM)
they probably could if they ran fewer shows, I mean SF won't run any event for 2 months... although Zuffa said they're upping number of SF shows after the June event.

If UFC wanted to run one show in roughly two months they can make a card of - (using 130 to 132, which is slightly over 2 months of cards for them)

 

GSP vs. Shields

Edgar vs. Maynard III (which, even though Diaz/Daley is clearly round of the year, Edgar vs. Maynard II is still fight of the year IMO)

Machida vs. Couture

Dos Santos vs. Lesnar

Faber vs. Cruz

Rampage vs. Hamill

W. Silva vs. Leben

Frank Mir vs Roy Nelson

Brian Stann vs. Jorge Santiago

Miguel Torres vs. Brad Fickett

 

and some other potentially exciting fights, and that's only using fights scheduled, take those fighters and others not listed, including an exciting fighter like Condit, and mix and match. So yeah, SF ran/runs exciting shows, but they often have the luxury of running fewer shows and having less contenders, making fights. Again, not to rag on SF at all, but they had a completely different business model than UFC had.

 

As a fan I love the SF shows, but also appreciate the UFC shows a ton since we usually get to see upper level fights, mid level fights and some prospect fights.

 

Not to rag on SF here, but IMO the fights were definitely "exciting" but outside of Melendez last night, winners didn't do anything to change my opinion on them as far as their status in their division goes. Melendez was a flat out beast, unfortunately we won't see Melendez/Alvarez, but I'm really hoping Gil is the first SF guy to UFC. Winner of Edgar/Maynard III or at least Showtime/Guida (Gil would wreck Guido or Pettis IMO though) is hopefully next for him.

 

but nothing last night showed me that Diaz wouldn't struggle with a wrestler with good top control. GSP, Fitch and even Kos would be a bad matchup for him. BJ/Nick Diaz would be a great match though.

 

Gegard, if anything took a step back in LHW. Should he have won the decision? Sure, but so what? Say he wins it and he fights Hendo next, Hendo absolutely runs through him with wrestling. I'm sure Zuffa wanted Gegard to take a major step last night, even talk of a possible UFC entry soon, but getting taken down at will by and not finishing a 35 year old Jardine on the downside of his career that took the fight on 10 days notice was not impressive. I think Zuffa wanted him to enter the conversation with guys on the level of Rashad, Rampage, Hendo, Shogun, and Machida where they're basically one fight away from a title shot, but last night, a logical match-up for him would be a Ryan Bader match-up to see if he can do anything against a wrestler.

 

Aoki, I'll cut him some slack, that was setup as an old WWF squash match and he pulled it off. The guy is use to the ring, they gave him a fight against an overmatched opponent and he wrecked the guy.

 

As a fan I would be REALLY annoyed in Zuffa and Showtime if Nick Diaz fights Woodley next and Gil fights Josh Thompson next... no offense to Woodley or Thompson, but let's get creative and see some better matches for those two with Zuffa's roster. Even if they don't want to make GSP/Diaz or Diaz/Fitch... let Alves, Condit or Diego fight him on a SF card, same thing for Gil, at least give us Jim Miller or Guillard against him on a SF card

 

 

 

 

The UFC puts on some exciting fights on paper but more times than not, the fights dont live up to the billing. Maybe the UFC fighters fight a little more cautious because they are scared of losing their position within the company. But rarely does the UFC have an event that is more exciting from the fights standpoint then Strikeforce or even the other events.

 

 

I'd like to see Diaz against a top wrestler now not named Fitch. We all know how a Fitch-Diaz fight would go. Fitch would go for the takedown and do nothing for the next 15 minutes and hope he doesnt get submitted. Diaz-Koscheck would be pretty fun. We would see two guys not scared to bang and then we can see how Diaz does against a good wrestler.

 

I actually see nothing wrong with Diaz being taken down by someone with no wrestling skills. Rickson Gracie said it best a few years ago when he was criticizing BJJ fighters for fighting the takedown. If youre comfortable on your back then why fight the takedown attempt? Especially against someone who might not be good at submissions.

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QUOTE (zenryan @ Apr 10, 2011 -> 10:45 AM)
The UFC puts on some exciting fights on paper but more times than not, the fights dont live up to the billing. Maybe the UFC fighters fight a little more cautious because they are scared of losing their position within the company. But rarely does the UFC have an event that is more exciting from the fights standpoint then Strikeforce or even the other events.

 

 

I'd like to see Diaz against a top wrestler now not named Fitch. We all know how a Fitch-Diaz fight would go. Fitch would go for the takedown and do nothing for the next 15 minutes and hope he doesnt get submitted. Diaz-Koscheck would be pretty fun. We would see two guys not scared to bang and then we can see how Diaz does against a good wrestler.

 

I actually see nothing wrong with Diaz being taken down by someone with no wrestling skills. Rickson Gracie said it best a few years ago when he was criticizing BJJ fighters for fighting the takedown. If youre comfortable on your back then why fight the takedown attempt? Especially against someone who might not be good at submissions.

a guy with good top control/GNP would maul him on his back, especially since he isn't a huge 170'er. Kos/Diaz would look similar to Kos/Daley except Diaz would probably be able to get up a few more times. Rickson said that a few years ago, before MMA evolved, when BJJ guys could get subs off back easier.

 

Also, SF matches better for exciting matches. Look at Diaz last two defenses, Cyborg and Scott Smith (EDIT: Actually his last 3, forgot about Noons who is a standup guy as well)... two guys who are known to stand and trade. Personally, GSP/Shields is more intriguing to me than a fight like Diaz/Smith where it's a top 10 guy first a guy nowhere near it over top two WWs in the world. May not be as exciting, but more interested in how it plays out.

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How do you know Diaz would get mauled? Kos couldnt even maul Daley who has zero ground game. He smothered him like a wet blanket and didnt do a thing for 15 minutes.

 

 

And Rickson said that in 2008. The game hasnt evolved so much to the point that what he said has no relevance anymore. But I guess in today's MMA where judges see a guy on top of his opponent as an automatic win(ie Jardine getting 4 takedowns and landing a total of 2 punches) for the round you have to fight off the takedown.. :huh: But we can get into the judging system some other time.

 

 

Sure a GSP-Shields fight is more intriguing but its not going to be entertaining. GSP hasnt fought an exciting fight since he got lit up by Serra. Maybe the fight with Hughes where he actually finished someone for a change. But other than that it's just decision after decision.

 

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QUOTE (zenryan @ Apr 10, 2011 -> 06:27 PM)
Sure a GSP-Shields fight is more intriguing but its not going to be entertaining. GSP hasnt fought an exciting fight since he got lit up by Serra. Maybe the fight with Hughes where he actually finished someone for a change. But other than that it's just decision after decision.

 

He also finished Serra and BJ since then. I thought his humiliation of Koscheck was quite entertaining as well.

 

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QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Apr 10, 2011 -> 12:51 PM)
He also finished Serra and BJ since then. I thought his humiliation of Koscheck was quite entertaining as well.

 

Didnt BJ's corner throw in the towel after the 4th round, I think he meant as in finish some via knockout/submission.

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QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Apr 10, 2011 -> 01:51 PM)
He also finished Serra and BJ since then. I thought his humiliation of Koscheck was quite entertaining as well.

 

 

 

 

Serra isnt close to top 10 and BJ is a 155 pounder.

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QUOTE (zenryan @ Apr 10, 2011 -> 12:27 PM)
How do you know Diaz would get mauled? Kos couldnt even maul Daley who has zero ground game. He smothered him like a wet blanket and didnt do a thing for 15 minutes.

 

 

And Rickson said that in 2008. The game hasnt evolved so much to the point that what he said has no relevance anymore. But I guess in today's MMA where judges see a guy on top of his opponent as an automatic win(ie Jardine getting 4 takedowns and landing a total of 2 punches) for the round you have to fight off the takedown.. :huh: But we can get into the judging system some other time.

 

 

Sure a GSP-Shields fight is more intriguing but its not going to be entertaining. GSP hasnt fought an exciting fight since he got lit up by Serra. Maybe the fight with Hughes where he actually finished someone for a change. But other than that it's just decision after decision.

well, I don't know he would get mauled, but I have a strong inclination he would. OK, didn't know the Rickson thing was so recently, but how often are elite BJJ guys finishing other elite guys off their back? Fedor/Werdum pops to mind, and I think most agree, not to take anything against Werdum, but Fedor made a mistake in going after him on the ground a 2nd time and made technical errors in top control.

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QUOTE (zenryan @ Apr 10, 2011 -> 12:57 PM)
Serra isnt close to top 10 and BJ is a 155 pounder.

Noons wasn't top 10 and a 155er, and Santos, Smith, Sakurai, Shamrock, Inoue weren't top 10 either, Daley was obviously top 10. So, he had exciting fights, but his record isn't riddled with top 10 talent lately. If GSP fought a majority of non-top ten talent, often guys who can only potentially beat him in one area, he would have more finishes.

 

As a fan I love Nick as a fighter, but I really want to see him fight some of the elite guys before people start placing him next to GSP, Fitch, etc...

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QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Apr 10, 2011 -> 02:19 PM)
Noons wasn't top 10 and a 155er, and Santos, Smith, Sakurai, Shamrock, Inoue weren't top 10 either, Daley was obviously top 10. So, he had exciting fights, but his record isn't riddled with top 10 talent lately. If GSP fought a majority of non-top ten talent, often guys who can only potentially beat him in one area, he would have more finishes.

 

As a fan I love Nick as a fighter, but I really want to see him fight some of the elite guys before people start placing him next to GSP, Fitch, etc...

 

 

 

Totally agree with that. It's time he moves back to the UFC and see where he is. Nothing left for him to do in Strikeforce and I'm sure he could sell some PPVs over in the UFC.

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QUOTE (Maxwell @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 04:34 AM)
Nick Diaz will lose to the first top ten fighter in his weight class that he faces.

it would have to be 2nd top ten, Daley may be one dimensional, but he was top 10 when they fought. Hard to gauge Diaz without seeing him face a very good wrestler, but he's certainly top 10 in my book. Unfortunately looks like he will box next, so MMA will wait a little.

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Another boring GSP fight.

 

 

Matt Serra has ruined any hope of GSP being entertaining. If he doesnt fight Silva next then he is scared of getting hurt and would rather just out-point fighters and not challenge himself.

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Floyd Mayweather officially removed from Ring Magazine's pound for pound listing today. He needed to have a fight planned prior to today in order to maintain his ranking. Dude just doesn't have boxing in his heart anymore, too busy gambling and doing his little promotion thing. Makes me sad as a Mayweather fan that I might not see him fight more than maybe once before he officially retires

 

And before anyone says he's afraid of Pacquiao, he's been doing this Fight/Vacation for a year thing since he beat De La Hoya 4 years ago.

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