The Time To Act... Unfortunately is Now.

[Al Lopez's Ghost]

Wassermann(ROOGY)

 

 

Gotta tell you, I've never seen ROOGY before. I know what it means, but you never see it. Kudos to you just for that.

[WCSox]

KW's inability to get major league ready talent for Garcia really hurt.

 

I'd say that getting a high-tier pitching prospect for Freddy's rapidly-declining skills and his $10 million price tag was a halfway decent deal. KW was lucky that he didn't have to eat a significant portion of his remaining salary to take him off the payroll.

 

If we're where we currently are two months from now, I'd like to see Dye and Crede dealt. With a significant amount of money tied up in aging vets like Thome and Contreras, this team needs to get younger. And I'd like to see KW take the money that Dye and Crede are freeing up to make a serious run at re-signing Mark in the off-season.

[Balta1701]

Boy you would think we are mathematically eliminated by the talk on this board. This team isnt supposed to lose a single series I take it?

So, here's my counterpoint.

 

The White Sox will by no means be mathematically eliminated when the trading deadline rolls around. This exact same argument can be made then. So the question must be posed...at what point do we decide to do something major?

 

This team seems like they can probably hang around at a little bit above .500 as they currently stand, especially with Thome back. But we've seen too many different bursts of struggles, from the lineup to the defense to the bullpen, to think that they're suddenly going to hit a 12 game winning streak and surge back up with the Tigers and Indians. Right now, those other teams are simply better.

 

KW has shown a proclivity, and an intelligent one at that...to make his moves early, well before the trading deadline. IIRC, Garcia was a June pickup, Alomar and Everett were first-of-July pickups, etc. That way, KW gets an extra month with anyone he picks up. So in other words, based on Kenny's past, if we're going to make moves to try to make a run at the Tigers and Twins, the time is rapidly approaching. And if we're deciding to sell on someone, say Mark for example...his value might well be higher now than 1-2 months from now (Dye I think you hold onto for at least another month to see if he keeps improving).

 

So in other words...yes, the Sox aren't mathematically eliminated. But they're not putting themselves in a position to win as currently constructed, and the time for making decisions on what to do about this is rapidly approaching.

[LVSoxFan]

All I know is that, watching the Sox of late, they seem old, slow and not hungry. It's bad. It's worse than second half 2006, which was awful coming off 2005.

 

Last night I bailed on the game about halfway through because I knew we'd lose.

 

Not sure what the solution is, but I don't recall such a lifeless team. Even in 2004, the feast-or-famine years, they seemed a little bit hungry.

 

And I'm not sure who to blame but I notice Ozzie just sitting in the dugout this year and last year, scowling.

 

In 2005 he was a firecracker in that dugout, always moving, always talking. Now he looks just as glum as everybody else. And that's probably not motivating anybody else.

[Chisoxfn]

So, here's my counterpoint.

 

The White Sox will by no means be mathematically eliminated when the trading deadline rolls around. This exact same argument can be made then. So the question must be posed...at what point do we decide to do something major?

 

This team seems like they can probably hang around at a little bit above .500 as they currently stand, especially with Thome back. But we've seen too many different bursts of struggles, from the lineup to the defense to the bullpen, to think that they're suddenly going to hit a 12 game winning streak and surge back up with the Tigers and Indians. Right now, those other teams are simply better.

 

KW has shown a proclivity, and an intelligent one at that...to make his moves early, well before the trading deadline. IIRC, Garcia was a June pickup, Alomar and Everett were first-of-July pickups, etc. That way, KW gets an extra month with anyone he picks up. So in other words, based on Kenny's past, if we're going to make moves to try to make a run at the Tigers and Twins, the time is rapidly approaching. And if we're deciding to sell on someone, say Mark for example...his value might well be higher now than 1-2 months from now (Dye I think you hold onto for at least another month to see if he keeps improving).

 

So in other words...yes, the Sox aren't mathematically eliminated. But they're not putting themselves in a position to win as currently constructed, and the time for making decisions on what to do about this is rapidly approaching.

If the Sox are in a similar position at the deadline (4-6 games out from the playoffs) I think Kenny will have to look at the deals and if a deal were to come up that would maybe be a wash or maybe a potential slight loss this year but help the club vastly next year (especially in terms of guaranteeing they would be able to keep key parts and stay competitive and continue to battle for world series) and in the coming years than I think that is something he should and likely will consider (for example moving a Dye to a contender in order to get a good young outfielder who is already solid, but maybe just isn't the big bat that team needed to get itself into the series).

 

I mean if you were to get a top shortstop prospect and a good young outfielder with some potential than I think you make that move. Or if a team were interested in Uribe you would have to consider making the move as long as you can get a guy that can come in and play right away and projects well.

 

I don't want to just trade to trade though, the move can't be the type that really hurts this team, rather one that retools the team and changes the face of it a bit (gets it more athletic for the stretch run and younger for the future as well).

 

I want this team to get more athletes.

 

I'd say that getting a high-tier pitching prospect for Freddy's rapidly-declining skills and his $10 million price tag was a halfway decent deal. KW was lucky that he didn't have to eat a significant portion of his remaining salary to take him off the payroll.

 

If we're where we currently are two months from now, I'd like to see Dye and Crede dealt. With a significant amount of money tied up in aging vets like Thome and Contreras, this team needs to get younger. And I'd like to see KW take the money that Dye and Crede are freeing up to make a serious run at re-signing Mark in the off-season.

Think about what Freddy would get on the open market today (significantly less, imo).

[AirScott]

So, here's my counterpoint.

 

The White Sox will by no means be mathematically eliminated when the trading deadline rolls around. This exact same argument can be made then. So the question must be posed...at what point do we decide to do something major?

 

This team seems like they can probably hang around at a little bit above .500 as they currently stand, especially with Thome back. But we've seen too many different bursts of struggles, from the lineup to the defense to the bullpen, to think that they're suddenly going to hit a 12 game winning streak and surge back up with the Tigers and Indians. Right now, those other teams are simply better.

 

KW has shown a proclivity, and an intelligent one at that...to make his moves early, well before the trading deadline. IIRC, Garcia was a June pickup, Alomar and Everett were first-of-July pickups, etc. That way, KW gets an extra month with anyone he picks up. So in other words, based on Kenny's past, if we're going to make moves to try to make a run at the Tigers and Twins, the time is rapidly approaching. And if we're deciding to sell on someone, say Mark for example...his value might well be higher now than 1-2 months from now (Dye I think you hold onto for at least another month to see if he keeps improving).

 

So in other words...yes, the Sox aren't mathematically eliminated. But they're not putting themselves in a position to win as currently constructed, and the time for making decisions on what to do about this is rapidly approaching.

Just looking at the roster, one need is a reliever who is also a veteran and can't be described using the term "shaky." This could stablize the bullpen and would bring its number of experienced, proven pitchers to one.

 

I think the Sox oughta make a move as soon as they can, really. But right now, who is even available? The Reds should be selling soon, so will David Weathers be available? (I wouldn't want Mike Stanton with the Sox.) Unfortunately, it might be a month before most teams are packing it in or looking to make moves. But fortunately, the sky is still in place above our heads.

 

Really, I think this is the only move that is needed. I like our chances with just one proven, durable reliever.

Edited May 30, 2007 by AirScott

[fathom]

Please don't trade any of our young guys. As much as they're not ready, it's foolish to think this team has the ability to make a major run in this division.

[beautox]

Gotta tell you, I've never seen ROOGY before. I know what it means, but you never see it. Kudos to you just for that.

 

lol what would you call jeff nelson in the later days of his career?

[BearSox]

I would really like a trade for Saltamacchia. The Braves can risk trading him because of McCann, and could getting something good out of him. The Braves right now need some starting pitching help, possibly a little pen help, and maybe another 1B to platoon with Thorman, but not suck like Wilson did.

 

If not him, then try and get the guy from Seattle, Clement.

[fathom]

lol what would you call jeff nelson in the later days of his career?

 

Washed-up

[whitesoxfan101]

Boy you would think we are mathematically eliminated by the talk on this board. This team isnt supposed to lose a single series I take it?

 

So what your saying is that:

 

1. You expected us to be even .500 and in 4th place as the calendar is about to turn to June.

 

and

 

2. We can finish ahead of either Detroit or Cleveland.

 

I would hope you don't actually feel that way. Your way too smart for that.

[BearSox]

I'd feel a lot better about this team if we had a different GM. It seems to me KW will say "We feel we have a really talented team, and with a little more time, we will hit our stride" and then not make 1 move. Or just basically the same crap he said pre 06 trade deadline.

Edited May 30, 2007 by BearSox

[winninguglyin83]

if we start dumping, all I have to say is this:

 

We'd better get legitimate prospects.

 

Not Mike Caruso.

 

Not Jon Adkins.

 

Guys like Grady Sizemore and Cliff Lee, whom Cleveland stole from the Expos for Colon.

 

Guys like Bonderman, who the Tigers got from the As, I believe.

 

Guys like Bonser, Liriano and Nathan, whom the Twins got for AJ.

 

The pressure is on Kenny Stanford.

 

Step up, Big Man.

[gosox41]

if we start dumping, all I have to say is this:

 

We'd better get legitimate prospects.

 

Not Mike Caruso.

 

Not Jon Adkins.

 

Guys like Grady Sizemore and Cliff Lee, whom Cleveland stole from the Expos for Colon.

 

Guys like Bonderman, who the Tigers got from the As, I believe.

 

Guys like Bonser, Liriano and Nathan, whom the Twins got for AJ.

 

The pressure is on Kenny Stanford.

 

Step up, Big Man.

 

But we do have Gavin Floyd

 

 

 

Bob

[winninguglyin83]

maybe we could trade for Chris Young

[Flash Tizzle]

if we start dumping, all I have to say is this:

 

We'd better get legitimate prospects.

 

Not Mike Caruso.

 

Not Jon Adkins.

 

Guys like Grady Sizemore and Cliff Lee, whom Cleveland stole from the Expos for Colon.

 

Guys like Bonderman, who the Tigers got from the As, I believe.

 

Guys like Bonser, Liriano and Nathan, whom the Twins got for AJ.

 

The pressure is on Kenny Stanford.

 

Step up, Big Man.

........

 

You and I are soulmates.

 

I'm sorry for anyone who believes the expectations set forth by some of us are too high. It's what's necessary to compete in this division. Ignore player development, while silmutaneously attempting to compete, and I'll EXPECT a legtimate victory in any trade. Preferably those in which we acquire top-notch talent, and not "coop projects" or those who were former first round picks and have failed to reach expectations.

 

I just won't accpet "oh, how often do those trades happen." Too bad.

 

Williams better not fail. For the sake of this team's future.

Edited May 31, 2007 by Flash Tizzle

[Flash Tizzle]

A lot of you are going to be very disapoinited come the deadline. Unless Kenny has a drastic philosophical change, I just don't see him being a total seller at the deadline. He really has never done it, and as bad as this team is/is playing, I really don't think the Sox will be so bad that they are total sellers.

If this team is ready to rebuild, Ozzie/Williams isn't the combo that should be in charge.

If such a scenario arises where we're obviously out of contention (7+ out of division, 5+ out of wildcard with ~5 teams to jump), and Williams adops this machismo, selfish demeanor, then he damn well better locate stellar prospects the following offseason. In addition, make the most out of draft picks obtained from Buehrle, Dye, perhaps Iguchi.

 

Regardless of anything involving the major league club, I still expect a drastic philosophical change in about a week concerning the draft. That's one thing I shouldn't be disappointed about, especially concerning recent comments from Rick Hahn.

 

As I type this, we're looking at a delicious 6.5 games out of first place with Indians leading 6-2 in the 6th inning. Although we're still within distance of the wild card with Detroit currently losing.

Edited May 31, 2007 by Flash Tizzle

[RME JICO]

As I type this, we're looking at a delicious 6.5 games out of first place with Indians leading 6-2 in the 6th inning. Although we're still within distance of the wild card with Detroit currently losing.

I don't think we will catch Cleveland because they haven't shown any signs of slowing down compared to Detroit. The Wild Card is probably our only hope, and we will still have to worry about Minnesota and Oakland in that race as well.

 

For 92 wins, we have to go 68-46 the rest of the way.

[JDsDirtySox]

Just a bump in cast Kenny Williams is looking for ideas.

Act now... fire someone, trade someone, release someone, do something.

I am sick of this s***.

[Greg The Bull Luzinski]

I guess the time has passed.

[JDsDirtySox]

A week of HORRID Baseball and everything is still the same.

FIRE SOMEONE.

TRADE SOMEONE.

RELEASE SOMEONE.

 

We Suck!

[iamshack]

A week of HORRID Baseball and everything is still the same.

FIRE SOMEONE.

TRADE SOMEONE.

RELEASE SOMEONE.

 

We Suck!

 

This is the sort of crap that people start believing because of the crap coming off the keyboard and tongue of Jay Marriotti. What is it with all this reactionism?

 

Kenny is one of the most proactive GM"s in all of sports. He'll address things as he sees fit. But a knee jerk firing or silly trade will get this team nowhere.

[hitlesswonder]

This is the sort of crap that people start believing because of the crap coming off the keyboard and tongue of Jay Marriotti. What is it with all this reactionism?

 

Kenny is one of the most proactive GM"s in all of sports. He'll address things as he sees fit. But a knee jerk firing or silly trade will get this team nowhere.

Kenny Williams is the 5th best GM in the Central division and has overseen the "construction" of the worst farm system in major league baseball. If Kenny wants to be really proactive here, his next move might be to fire himself.

[fathom]

Kenny Williams is the 5th best GM in the Central division and has overseen the "construction" of the worst farm system in major league baseball. If Kenny wants to be really proactive here, his next move might be to fire himself.

 

I love that last line....best laugh I've had all weekend that didn't involve the Cubs.

[JDsDirtySox]

This is the sort of crap that people start believing because of the crap coming off the keyboard and tongue of Jay Marriotti. What is it with all this reactionism?

 

Kenny is one of the most proactive GM"s in all of sports. He'll address things as he sees fit. But a knee jerk firing or silly trade will get this team nowhere.

 

I find it insulting that you think I am reacting like this because I am influenced by Moronotti.

Get a clue.