bigred3535 Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Any chance any of these guys or Lance Broadway or Gio Gonzalez get called up to try and contribute to the bullpen? I'd rather see a young player with a good arm get a chance to help the team rather than a Quadruple-A player (like Bret Prinz) or a 26 year old from AA (like Dewon Day). I know KW doesn't like to "mortgage the future" but this team is looking old and it seems like the best shot at the future is now. None of them are going to be used as a starter in the big leagues this year anyway, so they can transition back to starting in the offseason or something. It really seems like KW's been much less creative in maneuvering the roster than in the past and it's pretty frustrating to watch the garbage the bullpen has been throwing out there recently (and now we probably won't see Thornton for a couple days because he threw two innings today). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Gavin or Charlie, maybe. But I doubt anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Charlies has been flatout awful all year. Gavin ain't got it. keep looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Isn't Floyd hurt? Or is he back. I liked Russell in the spring. Big guy. He is a guy who won't get a chance to start at the Major League level with us. Could be an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Cheer up everybody heath phillips allowed 10 runs in 2 2/3 tonight. five bombs -- two by Josh Hamilton. we're doomed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 lol heath phillips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 No, No, No. None of them. Terrible idea for all of them. If Floyd can't kick it as a starter give him a shot as a reliever next year maybe, maybe if Haeger ever finds a groove and has a good month we can talk, but not even close right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Should have traded Haeger during the offseason, as teams were actually interested in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ May 30, 2007 -> 07:42 PM) Should have traded Haeger during the offseason, as teams were actually interested in him. Nah, my money's on Haeger getting back on track. Knuckleballers can go through some awful stretches. Wakefield has had some brutal years, but he's a valuable guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 I'm beginning to think that Eggy could out-perform Masset in the long-man/6th starter role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ May 30, 2007 -> 10:13 PM) I'm beginning to think that Eggy could out-perform Masset in the long-man/6th starter role. That'd be more of a Gavin Floyd role, wouldn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 I don't like a knuckleball late and with men on base. And I'm a huge Wilbur Wood fan so it isn't like I never like aq knuckleball, just not in the 8th in a 2 run game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 I wouldn't mind seeing Broadway in the pen right now, he's a two pitch pitcher and I could see him having success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 QUOTE(Heads22 @ May 30, 2007 -> 10:30 PM) That'd be more of a Gavin Floyd role, wouldn't it? Nah, I think Floyd will take over the role of walking in the winning run, or giving up game-breaking grand slams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ May 30, 2007 -> 05:42 PM) Should have traded Haeger during the offseason, as teams were actually interested in him. Couldn't agree more. I'll let someone else deal with finishing that project. I'm just not a fan of knuckle ball pitchers because they have a lot of things going against them (especially the slow deliver that turns any baserunner into an instant double). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ May 30, 2007 -> 11:53 PM) I wouldn't mind seeing Broadway in the pen right now, he's a two pitch pitcher and I could see him having success. Neither would the rest of the American League Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 QUOTE(Friend of Nordhagen @ May 30, 2007 -> 08:01 PM) Nah, my money's on Haeger getting back on track. Knuckleballers can go through some awful stretches. Wakefield has had some brutal years, but he's a valuable guy. I've never been a big fan of Haeger. He walks way too many guys for my liking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ May 30, 2007 -> 09:53 PM) I wouldn't mind seeing Broadway in the pen right now, he's a two pitch pitcher and I could see him having success. FB, improving 2 Seamer (reports i've read/heard indicate he's made a lot of progress with it as of late), solid Changeup, and a pretty damn good curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 30, 2007 -> 11:54 PM) Couldn't agree more. I'll let someone else deal with finishing that project. I'm just not a fan of knuckle ball pitchers because they have a lot of things going against them (especially the slow deliver that turns any baserunner into an instant double). thats not always true, it depends on who the back stop is, i remember Stewart gunned down Sizemore twice last season with chuck on the mound. Chuck will get it together again, i've got faith in him. he doesn't seem like someone to walk away from a challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Trade them all before teams find out we cannot draft. Not one player in our system is a blue chip player. When we get younger it will be because we trade people from our major league roster for other peoples prospects. It will not be to pave way for our own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 QUOTE(quickman @ May 31, 2007 -> 07:10 AM) Trade them all before teams find out we cannot draft. Not one player in our system is a blue chip player. When we get younger it will be because we trade people from our major league roster for other peoples prospects. It will not be to pave way for our own. 'In the offseason, we always focus on the bullpen first because starters wait for the market to play out and relievers sign a little quicker,'' he said. ''I like strike-throwers. I'm not a big believer that I have got to have one lefty, two lefties, three lefties to face left-handed hitters. ''There are very few situational left-handers out there and a much larger inventory of righties who can get lefties out. And if you have a lefty to face a lefty hitter, and he's not successful, then you burn two guys in one inning.'' San Diego's bullpen does not include a left-hander. What about power pitchers for late innings? ''Velocity is overrated,'' he said. ''There are very few 93-, 94-plus [mph] guys who throw the fastball consistently over plate. I'll take command over velocity any day.'' OK, let's add this up. Forget the lefty-to-face-a-lefty-hitter thing. Don't worry about velocity. Get guys who can throw strikes. And because relievers aren't reliable from one year to the next, he said, sign them to short-term deals. The Sox and Cubs tried to fix up their bullpens in the offseason with a trade: Aardsma to the Sox and Neal Cotts to the Cubs. The Sox were looking for power while the Cubs wanted a lefty to match up with left-handed hitters. from couch, suntimes.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ May 30, 2007 -> 07:42 PM) Should have traded Haeger during the offseason, as teams were actually interested in him. People interested? But Soxtalk kept telling me he was worthless because he is a knuckleballer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 31, 2007 -> 07:59 AM) People interested? But Soxtalk kept telling me he was worthless because he is a knuckleballer... are you sure? most soxtalk people fall in love with the two bit minor leaguers. They cherish there names and begin to buy jerseys with their number on them. They go on and on blaming coaches and Gm's for screwing these great players. Yet they turn out to suck. Good Knuckleballers come about once a decade. Haeger is nothing, and quite frankly no major league manager has the time to deal with wether the wind is blowing right for the knuckler that day, or carrying an extra catcher just because he is the only one that can catch the guy.Its ludicris. This team needs better scouts. We trade our prospects away early because we know deep down they won't project. KW uses the farm wisely in that manner, but now we are getting old and its time to blow this thing up, when we do, other teams prospects will be the mainstay, not ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 QUOTE(quickman @ May 31, 2007 -> 10:10 PM) Not one player in our system is a blue chip player. 2 things here. I wouldn't think many teams would have a "blue chip player" in their system. I could probably think of around 10 that would e.g D-Backs, Dodgers, Devil Rays etc. Then again a "blue - chip prospect" such as Lastings Milledge shows you that just because they are considered to be the next big thing, doesn't mean for sure it's going to pan out that way. And I think Gio Gonzalez could be considered that type of prospect if he keeps doing what he's doing. But for that to happen, he'll probably have to move up to AAA and pitch the same way (albeit the ERA will rise because he's pitching in a much harder ballpark). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 31, 2007 -> 08:24 AM) 2 things here. I wouldn't think many teams would have a "blue chip player" in their system. I could probably think of around 10 that would e.g D-Backs, Dodgers, Devil Rays etc. Then again a "blue - chip prospect" such as Lastings Milledge shows you that just because they are considered to be the next big thing, doesn't mean for sure it's going to pan out that way. And I think Gio Gonzalez could be considered that type of prospect if he keeps doing what he's doing. But for that to happen, he'll probably have to move up to AAA and pitch the same way (albeit the ERA will rise because he's pitching in a much harder ballpark). But look at all of ours that have ultimately failed or were traded (players that would have been considered Top 50 in MLB at one point or another in their careers).... Jon Rauch Corwin Malone Borchard Danny Wright Chris Young Jeremy Reed Kip Wells Lorenzo Barcelo Actually, Bobby Jenks was probably the only one who's made it, but it wasn't with his original organization. That's not even including the likes of Stumm, Dellaero, Honel, Brian West, Matt Ginter, Parque, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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