The Silver Lining Thread

[LVSoxFan]

You know, after his last year 2nd half collapse, I wondered if he'd ever have his stuff again.

 

The one good thing about this season is we're seeing the Buehrle we know and love. Tonight was a perfect example. He should have had his #100, throwing a 2-hitter.

 

But if nothing else I'm glad to see he's back on his game, and his no-hitter has been the best Sox moment since 2005, that's for sure.

[spiderman]

You know, after his last year 2nd half collapse, I wondered if he'd ever have his stuff again.

 

The one good thing about this season is we're seeing the Buehrle we know and love. Tonight was a perfect example. He should have had his #100, throwing a 2-hitter.

 

But if nothing else I'm glad to see he's back on his game, and his no-hitter has been the best Sox moment since 2005, that's for sure.

 

I'm hear to add some sombering thoughts.

 

Enjoy his last 20 starts with the White Sox because chances are he'll pitching for a new team next season.

 

Hell, he could be gone in 2 months if the White Sox can't get this going. He'd bring a boat load of prospects, and Kenny is going to have to think about that if the White Sox are buried by the Indians.

[Melissa1334]

I'm hear to add some sombering thoughts.

 

Enjoy his last 20 starts with the White Sox because chances are he'll pitching for a new team next season.

i hope not..

[Flash Tizzle]

I'm hear to add some sombering thoughts.

 

Enjoy his last 20 starts with the White Sox because chances are he'll pitching for a new team next season.

 

Hell, he could be gone in 2 months if the White Sox can't get this going. He'd bring a boat load of prospects, and Kenny is going to have to think about that if the White Sox are buried by the Indians.

He should -- if pitching well -- and I won't accept any excuses to the contrary. No Gavin Floyd's. No " or "former first rounders who have yet to reach their potential." Give me legitimate prospects.

[Soxfest]

He is trade bait!

[Greg The Bull Luzinski]

For every good KW trade, he brings in a Gavin Floyd or Jon Adkins for a former all-star. Solid!

[spiderman]

He should -- if pitching well -- and I won't accept any excuses to the contrary. No Gavin Floyd's. No " or "former first rounders who have yet to reach their potential." Give me legitimate prospects.

 

As much as I want Buerhle resigned, unless he agrees to a 3 year deal before the trade deadline, which isn't going to happen, and so a trade is going to have to be made, I'd prefer 2 major league ready prospects, and another mid-level guy.

 

I'd want 2 pitchers, and one young offensive player who can step in, and it would really nice if he could play SS.

 

The only way I could justify not trading him is if they move Dye, and Williams, who usually says what is on his mind, comes out and says that resigning Buerle would be at the top of our off-season priorites.

[fathom]

As much as I want Buerhle resigned, unless he agrees to a 3 year deal before the trade deadline, which isn't going to happen, and so a trade is going to have to be made, I'd prefer 2 major league ready prospects, and another mid-level guy.

 

I'd want 2 pitchers, and one young offensive player who can step in, and it would really nice if he could play SS.

 

The only way I could justify not trading him is if they move Dye, and Williams, who usually says what is on his mind, comes out and says that resigning Buerle would be at the top of our off-season priorites.

 

Who cares if signing Buehrle is a top priority....once he gets to the open market, we're f***ed. We desperately wanted to bring back Colon, but we couldn't match the Angels offer.

[spiderman]

Who cares if signing Buehrle is a top priority....once he gets to the open market, we're f***ed. We desperately wanted to bring back Colon, but we couldn't match the Angels offer.

 

If the White Sox make resigning him their top priority, I'd prefer to keep him. He's a top of the rotation starter, and they're hard to find.

[southsideirish71]

Well in a bought of self preservation, we should have a new hitting coach if the Walkerball express keeps its suckiness in tact.

[dagotony06]

I really hope JR opens the purse strings and resigns Mark. He is a reliable starter who in my eyes is the face of the Whitesox. He will be a big help with Danks I also believe, so that is just another reason to keep him. I'm not sure you will be able to get enough talent in return for Mark, just for the simple fact that he is a free agent next year. Teams aren't gonna give alot up for him, just for that reason alone. The best things is to resign him to a 4 year deal with an option for a 5th. JR and KW need to do whatever they can to keep this guy!!

[southsideirish71]

I really hope JR opens the purse strings and resigns Mark. He is a reliable starter who in my eyes is the face of the Whitesox. He will be a big help with Danks I also believe, so that is just another reason to keep him. I'm not sure you will be able to get enough talent in return for Mark, just for the simple fact that he is a free agent next year. Teams aren't gonna give alot up for him, just for that reason alone. The best things is to resign him to a 4 year deal with an option for a 5th. JR and KW need to do whatever they can to keep this guy!!

 

Well Diego here is a tip. Take a gander at the attendance sheets, and how much money the team takes in. Thats pretty much what will be reinvested into the club the following year. So hopefully they pull it out of their asses, because if they suck and attendance takes a dump you might not see it this year, but in 2 you will see a payroll hit.

 

Here is the simple math of it. If Buerhle wants to get paid similiar to what he gets today for 4 years he will be a whitesox. If he wants Zito or more money, he will be traded and we will see him on another team.

 

Its not a matter of opening pursetrings. Its about being sane. 5 to 6 years for a ton of money isnt going to happen.

[Balta1701]

Enjoy his last 20 starts with the White Sox because chances are he'll pitching for a new team next season.

 

Hell, he could be gone in 2 months if the White Sox can't get this going. He'd bring a boat load of prospects, and Kenny is going to have to think about that if the White Sox are buried by the Indians.

I really hope it's more like 5 starts. Because if you're rebuilding on the fly, the 2 picks you'd get for Mark just aren't as useful as the 2 players you could get for him @ deadline time.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 31, 2007 -> 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well in a bought of self preservation, we should have a new hitting coach if the Walkerball express keeps its suckiness in tact.

You're right, it's definitely the coach's fault. No doubt about that. We can't blame every single player for hitting like complete crap, it has to be something the coach is doing. Great catch - awesome post.

[mr_genius]

Who cares if signing Buehrle is a top priority....once he gets to the open market, we're f***ed. We desperately wanted to bring back Colon, but we couldn't match the Angels offer.

 

Buehrle could fetch a real nice price being traded to a contender after the all-star break . would be a great move IMO if the sox are out of it. don't think we'll be able to resign him.

Edited June 1, 2007 by mr_genius

[dagotony06]

Well Diego here is a tip. Take a gander at the attendance sheets, and how much money the team takes in. Thats pretty much what will be reinvested into the club the following year. So hopefully they pull it out of their asses, because if they suck and attendance takes a dump you might not see it this year, but in 2 you will see a payroll hit.

 

Here is the simple math of it. If Buerhle wants to get paid similiar to what he gets today for 4 years he will be a whitesox. If he wants Zito or more money, he will be traded and we will see him on another team.

 

Its not a matter of opening pursetrings. Its about being sane. 5 to 6 years for a ton of money isnt going to happen.

I really don't think attendance will suffer like it did before we won the World Series. You figure we aren't gonna resign Dye, or probably Iguchi. Crede will probably be gone at the end of 2008, if not before, so that frees up his salary. I really believe if we become sellers this year, I think Contreras will be gone, at least I hope he is. As I am writing this, Dusty Baker is on BBTN and he is predicting the Whitesox are gonna get white hot in the month of June, and only be 1 game behind the AL central leader!! hahaha All I am saying, I would do everything I could to keep Buehrle around. I'm not sure if he is gonna get Zito money, I know their numbers are comparable, but Zito also won a Cy Young, Mark hasn't. Plus the market is better this year for statring pitchers. I guess I am just hoping we hang on to this guy.

[Balta1701]

Plus the market is better this year for statring pitchers. I guess I am just hoping we hang on to this guy.

There may be more starting pitchers on the market this offseason which could dilute the price yes, but you're missing one other variable. This offseason, the Yankees will be looking to spend money on a starting pitcher. Or two. Or three. That pushes the numbers right back in the other direction.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(spiderman @ May 31, 2007 -> 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm hear to add some sombering thoughts.

 

Enjoy his last 20 starts with the White Sox because chances are he'll pitching for a new team next season.

 

Hell, he could be gone in 2 months if the White Sox can't get this going. He'd bring a boat load of prospects, and Kenny is going to have to think about that if the White Sox are buried by the Indians.

I hope Buehrle stays. I really don't like the thought of him on another team. If we want to get younger we should try to get what we can for the 60 year old that is the number 1 starter for our team. If we can keep Buehrle as a one and have the rest of the rotation with (2) Garland (3) Danks (4) Vazquez (5) Floyd/Gonzalez/Massett then it is both realistically affordable and young. That is if Buehrle isn't looking for Zito money. If he is then forget the whole thing. I don't think he is though.

I would rather trade Crede and bring up Fields, Iguchi and give Chris Getz a chance (not sure if he is ready, but I like his attitude, the way he plays, and his numbers), Dye and bring up Sweeney. That is if the Sox are going to start looking at young players. If they are going to trade to try to compete this year then I would like to find a way to get Ichiro, Alexis Rios, and maybe a bullpen guy to go along with Jenks, Thorton and Massett. I still have faith McDougal will get right as well.

[southsideirish71]

You're right, it's definitely the coach's fault. No doubt about that. We can't blame every single player for hitting like complete crap, it has to be something the coach is doing. Great catch - awesome post.

 

Well you can get rid of every hitter on the team because they are all sucking, or you can fire the hitting coach. Maybe its just a teeny tiny coincidence that all of them are vulnerable to low and away pitching. We keep changing personnel and the results is the same. We take line drive hitters and turn them into myopic pull home run hitters. But dont let logic get in the way of being the friendly neighborhood apologist.

[caulfield12]

I really don't think attendance will suffer like it did before we won the World Series. You figure we aren't gonna resign Dye, or probably Iguchi. Crede will probably be gone at the end of 2008, if not before, so that frees up his salary. I really believe if we become sellers this year, I think Contreras will be gone, at least I hope he is. As I am writing this, Dusty Baker is on BBTN and he is predicting the Whitesox are gonna get white hot in the month of June, and only be 1 game behind the AL central leader!! hahaha All I am saying, I would do everything I could to keep Buehrle around. I'm not sure if he is gonna get Zito money, I know their numbers are comparable, but Zito also won a Cy Young, Mark hasn't. Plus the market is better this year for statring pitchers. I guess I am just hoping we hang on to this guy.

 

Contreras can't be traded in 2007, no trade clause.

 

 

I hope Buehrle stays. I really don't like the thought of him on another team. If we want to get younger we should try to get what we can for the 60 year old that is the number 1 starter for our team. If we can keep Buehrle as a one and have the rest of the rotation with (2) Garland (3) Danks (4) Vazquez (5) Floyd/Gonzalez/Massett then it is both realistically affordable and young. That is if Buehrle isn't looking for Zito money. If he is then forget the whole thing. I don't think he is though.

I would rather trade Crede and bring up Fields, Iguchi and give Chris Getz a chance (not sure if he is ready, but I like his attitude, the way he plays, and his numbers), Dye and bring up Sweeney. That is if the Sox are going to start looking at young players. If they are going to trade to try to compete this year then I would like to find a way to get Ichiro, Alexis Rios, and maybe a bullpen guy to go along with Jenks, Thorton and Massett. I still have faith McDougal will get right as well.

 

 

We don't have anyone that the Jays would trade for Rios besides Gio/Russell/DeLosSantos. We simply cannot trade away young/affordable future starting pitching for position players.

 

The Blue Jays are looking to keep their young players and weather the storm, and they'll be trading Glaus to the highest bidder, or competing with the White Sox if we try to deal Crede.

 

Getz is another version of Aaron Miles or a poor man's Eckstein. He's not ever going to be an MLB regular, utility infielder and cheap replacement for Cintron/Ozuna/Mack is best case scenario.

 

Who would Seattle possibly want on our roster? Not Dye, not Crede, they have Beltre there. The only thing we could give them is starting pitching, but it makes absolutely no sense for them to trade away their franchise player for relatively expensive veteran pitching.