whitesoxfan101 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 02:56 PM) I have never liked the way Oz has handled the bullpen even in 05 I will admit when Oz went to get El Duque in game 3 of the LDS I wanted to kill him His mistake was letting Marte come in and load the bases. The El Duque move was brilliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 The thing that sucks is that this seems like deja vu this year, with the bullpen coming in after a starter allows a few base runners, and then we blow the lead and the game. Last year, the deja vu was with Vazquez's 6th inning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 02:54 PM) I actually think this has been Ozzie's best year as a manager, albeit the last couple games have not been as good. Has he made some mistakes, sure, but every manager does, and I think the main issue with the blown 10 games is the fact that this is one of the worse pens in baseball over the past few years. Pen is bad I agree, but OG has been bad at bullpen decision making since day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:57 PM) please tell me who the hell you're talking about bringing into the game? Because I see no one in the pen getting anyone out. I'm sure you can find many other things to hang on Ozzie, but you're forcing the issue here. His hands are tied. Let Thornton start the inning then. The fun thing is that it's not my job to make these decisions. Good move or not, it's Ozzie's job, and nothing is working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 02:57 PM) please tell me who the hell you're talking about bringing into the game? Because I see no one in the pen getting anyone out. I'm sure you can find many other things to hang on Ozzie, but you're forcing the issue here. His hands are tied. then I say take the drastic step and bring jenks in during 7/8, at this point I would rather see the bad pen blow it in the 8/9, something different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan79 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Well I guess I can watch the NCAA regionals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 02:57 PM) The El Duque move was brilliance. *Sigh* And it would have been an atrocious move if he gives up a grand slam. You people give Ozzie way too much blame, and sometimes almost none to the players themselves who clearly deserve the bulk of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:58 PM) then I say take the drastic step and bring jenks in during 7/8, at this point I would rather see the bad pen blow it in the 8/9, something different Yeah....if something continues to not work, don't keep doing it. Be creative...hell, make Massett the set-up guy or call up Gio to do it (I think I just gave Flash a heart attack). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 03:00 PM) *Sigh* And it would have been an atrocious move if he gives up a grand slam. You people give Ozzie way too much blame, and sometimes almost none to the players themselves who clearly deserve the bulk of it... I thought it was brilliant at the time. That is a bad spot as is, bring in the guy who has pitched out of plenty of bad spots and see how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I still can't believe Sal Fasano got a bunt hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 01:00 PM) Yeah....if something continues to not work, don't keep doing it. Be creative...hell, make Massett the set-up guy or call up Gio to do it (I think I just gave Flash a heart attack). I will agree with one point - I'm tired of hearing Ozzie vent about not being afraid to make changes and then nothing happens. Sending Sisco to AAA was not a drastic move. If he wants to back up his smack he should DL Mac, AAA Ardsma and bring up some men who aren't afraid to throw strikes. Screw their development! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29thandPoplar Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> However, when things are going this bad, it's up to the GM and Manager to do something about it. As many have said, a good idea would be to get better players. If Prinz or Bukvich are healthy, Aardsma will be sent down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 03:04 PM) I will agree with one point - I'm tired of hearing Ozzie vent about not being afraid to make changes and then nothing happens. Sending Sisco to AAA was not a drastic move. If he wants to back up his smack he should DL Mac, AAA Ardsma and bring up some men who aren't afraid to throw strikes. Screw their development! Exactly, I keep hearing Oz and KW talk about not being afraid to shake it up, then do it! The drastic Sisco move would have been to bring up Day and throw him into the fire, may have been horribe, but so what, he's 27, not a top prospect, need to do something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 WOW!!!!!!! Changes in our freaking 25-man roster has to be done. Unbelievable!!!!! Im here at work, last time I looked was 3-1. Went to lunch and came back to this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Close out this thread on There's always tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Fire Ozzie if you want. It will not matter. The middle relief is horrific. We are not going to the playoffs with this current roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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