RME JICO Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 What they need to do is not cut their hair for the rest of the year (Thome with a Mullet = sweet). Then during the 7th inning stretch, the grounds crew brings out the tarps and wets them down so the entire team can do tarp slides. You can trace the down fall of this team to April 16th and 18th of 2006, that is when Buehrle had his last tarp slide and when Crede/AJ were told to chop their locks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:43 PM) are you kidding me... I am one of the biggest PK fans, and it was obvious even though they didn't show the whole thing. If he fell out of pain, you would be able to tell. He'd would have likely pulled his best Erstad impersonation. That fall reminded me of a couple years ago where when he was struggling, he just missed a granny vs. the DRays, and after he rounded first, he fell flat on his face. And the first fall wasn't anything out of the ordinary also. I think everyone who's played baseball has taken awful off-balance swings like that before. Also, PK is more durable then that. Listen, PK's been my favorite since 98 or 99 or whenever the hell that was, and I've been a Sox fan all my life, but sometimes you gotta sit back and instead of wipping the remote through the tv, you gotta laugh it off. Uuum, ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(diegotony06 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:47 PM) You can't compare us to Cleveland, cause they are alot younger than us ALOT!! I'm not comparing the team to Cleveland. I'm using your overreaction as an example as why reasonable and knowledgable Baseball people don't just "Blow a team up" when they are playing bad for less then a year. Your theory is still silly. Keep only four players?!? Edited June 3, 2007 by RibbieRubarb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemon44 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 ILet's say a certain team that has talented players with a history of very good years and a good coaching staff with a history of winning had a bad season and they took your advice and "blew up their" team. That team would not be leading the AL central right now. aka Cleveland Indians. Feel smart now? Didn't think so. Cleveland did blow up its team about 4 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 I laughed at Baseball Prospectus' preseason prediction when they had the Sox at 72-90 and in 4th. Looking at this team now, they are spot on. Scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 It sucks being Chris Ranger right now. PFB still is paid to defy logic and be an optimist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:43 PM) Simple, we Vizquel and a spect like Fransden. The Giants move Aurillia to SS and Feliz to 1B, with Crede playing 3B. Cause the Giants are just going to trade another one of their future players in this case Fransden. I would like to think they realized their mistake with Liriano by now. And moving Feliz to 1B takes one of their better bats out of the lineup of late in Klesko. Besides Vizquel let alone is hitting worse than Uribe and his days are numbered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagotony06 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:52 PM) I'm not comparing the team to Cleveland. I'm using your overreaction as an example as why reasonable and knowledgable Baseball people don't just "Blow a team up" when they are playing bad for less then a year. Your theory is still silly. Keep only four players?!? Well I'm sure alot of people on here would rather do that, than continue to watch a bunch of overpaid pieces of s***. Maybe our future would look a little brighter than it does now. Cause with the division we are in, and the talent we have in the majors and the minors, we are gonna be f***ed for a long time to come. We need to rebuild. It's as simple as that. We need to get more talent into the minor league system as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:54 PM) I laughed at Baseball Prospectus' preseason prediction when they had the Sox at 72-90 and in 4th. Looking at this team now, they are spot on. Scary. They had us at 72-90 due to bad starting pitching, and had Thome/Konerko/Dye all having very good years and a good bullpen for us. Their record and placement might be right, but their logic behind it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 04:51 PM) What they need to do is not cut their hair for the rest of the year (Thome with a Mullet = sweet). Then during the 7th inning stretch, the grounds crew brings out the tarps and wets them down so the entire team can do tarp slides. You can trace the down fall of this team to April 16th and 18th of 2006, that is when Buehrle had his last tarp slide and when Crede/AJ were told to chop their locks. Pretty much agree 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Cleveland did blow up its team about 4 years ago Now let's be honest with ourselves here...They didn't "blow up their team" like it being suggested here. In 2002, they fired Charlie Manuel, they traded Einar Diaz and Ryan Drese to Texas for Travis Hafner. and Bartolo Colon to Montreal for Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore and others. So that's one Manager and three players. Not exactly fire everyone and trade every except a few people scenerio being presented here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briguy27 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 well if aj wouldnt of tried to steal today, the game would of been tied 4-4 bastard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 (edited) I heard the call on XM from the Toronto announcers that Konerko fell down headed to 1B and my thought was can anything get worse now? Embarrasing for PK, but flat on your face is how the whole Sox team is right now. Edited June 3, 2007 by elrockinMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:43 PM) Simple, we Vizquel and a spect like Fransden. The Giants move Aurillia to SS and Feliz to 1B, with Crede playing 3B. What's with all this Vizquel bulls***? His name has been mentioned numerous times over the past week and it makes no sense at all. He's 40 years old and producing like he's 40, yeah that .552 OPS is f***ing hot. The guy is a lesser player than Uribe at this point in his career and will be a free agent at the end of the season, talk about a terrible fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagotony06 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 04:10 PM) What's with all this Vizquel bulls***? His name has been mentioned numerous times over the past week and it makes no sense at all. He's 40 years old and producing like he's 40, yeah that .552 OPS is f***ing hot. The guy is a lesser player than Uribe at this point in his career and will be a free agent at the end of the season, talk about a terrible fit. I'm with you. I don't understan the Vizquel love. Just what we need someone to make this team older and slower!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Konerko, Dye and Crede have been killing the Sox this year so far. And since he's been with the Sox, Thome has always been a guy who is not nearly as good as his numbers would seem to indicate. Blame the bullpen all you want, but the reason the Sox are off to such a poor start this season is the underperformance of the Sox offense, particularly the middle of the order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 It's not funny but this team is going nowhere. The bullpen isn't going to magically turn around. Only hope actually would be for KW to try to magically make a great trade to acquire some veteran middle relief (I know it's not available) and/or get an outfielder of note like some of you have suggested for weeks. The starting pitching is good enough to contend; nothing else is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 02:03 PM) Now let's be honest with ourselves here...They didn't "blow up their team" like it being suggested here. In 2002, they fired Charlie Manuel, they traded Einar Diaz and Ryan Drese to Texas for Travis Hafner. and Bartolo Colon to Montreal for Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore and others. So that's one Manager and three players. Not exactly fire everyone and trade every except a few people scenerio being presented here. They also let guys like Kenny Lofton and Jim Thome walk in 02 and 03, after having Manny Ramirez walk in 01. Also replaced guys like the Alomars & Travis Fryman within those couple years as well. So it wasn't exactly a firesale, but there was a rebuilding period with guys like CC, Lee, Phillips, Hafner, etc., coming up to take the place of the older guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(Felix @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:25 PM) It's never funny when your favorite team does horrible. At least, thats what I think. KW made his bed and I want to see him squirm out the this disaster HE created! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm not comparing the team to Cleveland. I'm using your overreaction as an example as why reasonable and knowledgable Baseball people don't just "Blow a team up" when they are playing bad for less then a year. Your theory is still silly. Keep only four players?!? Exactly. Firing coaches and Gms are what Cub fans hope for and think will change everything and make everything right. Pinella is in for Baker and the same s*** is happening. When you have the same types of players and bring in the same type of players as before your team will remain the same no matter what manager or coach you bring in. The theory of getting rid of a coach or blowing everything up just for the sake of doing so is riduclous nonsense and very silly. These people are all playing fantasy baseball. All my players are up for trades and available to the highest bidder. The only four untouchables I have are Buehrle, Jenks.... That just looks ridiculous and reeks of unintelligence. It sounds like a plan a teenager (sorry to stereotype) may have. Someone that thinks they know everything about everything, but actually knows nothing about anything. QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What's with all this Vizquel bulls***? His name has been mentioned numerous times over the past week and it makes no sense at all. He's 40 years old and producing like he's 40, yeah that .552 OPS is f***ing hot. The guy is a lesser player than Uribe at this point in his career and will be a free agent at the end of the season, talk about a terrible fit. Yeah he is having a bad year, but to say he is lesser than Uribe is bulls***. Uribe is terrible and lately can't even play defense. If he can't play defense then he is worthless. Vizquel can at least do that and do the little things well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 (edited) The Indians simply needed to address their bullpen, and they've done that adequately enough with Borowski and Hernandez. They've caught lightning in a bottle with Carmona, but Sowers has been as bad as Carmona has been good. The only thing the Indians (questionably) could have done besides the bullpen is bringing in a better manager than Wedge. They got rid of Boone and Belliard, Marte hasn't worked out like they had hoped, but they also added Dellucci and Nixon to their OF platoons, and they had the luxury of having "spare" players in Blake and Garko that have filled into the weak spots of the line-up. But there was no "core" under 30 player the Indians were going to trade...versus our entire core being OVER 30 and worth LESS in trade. Different situations. Plus, they had the "jump" in 05 to fall back on, we've had the exponentially increasing decline from ASB 2006 to get to the point where we're at now, stretching over two separate seasons of play. Edited June 3, 2007 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(Soxfest @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> KW made his bed and I want to see him squirm out the this disaster HE created! That's great. I wish this on everyone involved with my favorite team. Genius I tell you, genius. Let's not hope everything can get better somehow, lets hope things keep going the way they are and KW can squirm. Remarkable. You don't think he had a good plan with the bullpen guys he was picking up? It didn't work our, but the plan made sense and it seemed like a good one at the time. The first month the bullpen was lights out and everyone was loving it. Now the second month they are getting lit up and people are calling for KW's head. Do you think he knew it was going to be like this and still did those deals? Getting Pods to re-sign was not the best, but he didn't have many options. He was looking for a speedy leadoff hitter and the others in that category were getting ridiculous dollars. If he thought Jerry Owens was ready to step in I am sure he wouldn't have done that. Erstad was not a bad signing at all. Toby Hall was a very good signing. Are the Sox missing Garcia? THey got a ton in return for McCarthy. I just don't understand what you think he should be squirming for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagotony06 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 05:22 PM) Exactly. Firing coaches and Gms are what Cub fans hope for and think will change everything and make everything right. Pinella is in for Baker and the same s*** is happening. When you have the same types of players and bring in the same type of players as before your team will remain the same no matter what manager or coach you bring in. The theory of getting rid of a coach or blowing everything up just for the sake of doing so is riduclous nonsense and very silly. These people are all playing fantasy baseball. All my players are up for trades and available to the highest bidder. The only four untouchables I have are Buehrle, Jenks.... That just looks ridiculous and reeks of unintelligence. It sounds like a plan a teenager (sorry to stereotype) may have. Someone that thinks they know everything about everything, but actually knows nothing about anything. What looks riduculous is this team, and what reeks of unintelligence is our hitting coach, manager, and GM. Anyone who think this team will even sniff coming close to the playoffs, now that is ridiculous and reeks of unintelligence. At some point people have to be held accountable for their actions. It's just the way life is. If you have a job, and you f*** up at it by not doing your job for over 2 months then most likely, you get fired. That's just the way it is. So since this team has been playing like s*** since last july, then I think it's time for people to be held accountable. As for people who don't agree, hey that's fine. I have no problem with that. But to start saying people are not intelligent or sound like teenagers, when they are just expressing their opinion, then to me that's ridiculous and unintelligent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(diegotony06 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm with you. I don't understan the Vizquel love. Just what we need someone to make this team older and slower!! He is slower than Uribe? I don't buy that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 05:27 PM) Yeah he is having a bad year, but to say he is lesser than Uribe is bulls***. Uribe is terrible and lately can't even play defense. If he can't play defense then he is worthless. Vizquel can at least do that and do the little things well. They're both terrible and have also been even worse than horrid over their past 14 games (sub .400 OPS for both) but season stats are clearly in Uribe's favor and a misplayed ball on the s***ty rug in Toronto is not going to get me to say Uribe has been playing bad defense because I don't believe that one bit. And when exactly was the last time you watched Vizquel play in the field? How's his range been this year? Is his arm strength up to snuff or has he reverted to bare handing every ground ball because his arm is falling off and his side arm tosses aren't getting it done anymore? QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 05:36 PM) He is slower than Uribe? I don't buy that. I'd say it's about equal at this point with Vizquel being the superior baserunner by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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