dagotony06 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 05:36 PM) He is slower than Uribe? I don't buy that. G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG Uribe 44 146 14 31 4 0 5 21 50 12 38 1 0 .276 .342 .212 Vizquel 51 190 22 44 8 1 0 14 54 13 23 3 3 .283 .284 .232 I just don't see how he would improve this team. And he plays in a weaker league. Tading for him would be a move backwards, not forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(diegotony06 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 05:35 PM) What looks riduculous is this team, and what reeks of unintelligence is our hitting coach, manager, and GM. Anyone who think this team will even sniff coming close to the playoffs, now that is ridiculous and reeks of unintelligence. At some point people have to be held accountable for their actions. It's just the way life is. If you have a job, and you f*** up at it by not doing your job for over 2 months then most likely, you get fired. That's just the way it is. So since this team has been playing like s*** since last july, then I think it's time for people to be held accountable. As for people who don't agree, hey that's fine. I have no problem with that. But to start saying people are not intelligent or sound like teenagers, when they are just expressing their opinion, then to me that's ridiculous and unintelligent. You can't find the right people in the middle of the season. This is a September 07 through March of 08 project. I'm definitely not in any way for giving the job to Hahn. If we want to continue to be innovative, we should give it to Kim Ng, the Dodgers' ASST GM and a woman who graduated from Univ. of Chicago and started as an intern with the White Sox. However, I give KW and Ozzie one chance at this rebuild...they deserve that much for 2005. Firing them both would be not unlike the Schottenheimer situation in SD. It's just illogical. And compared to that particular situation, we all KNOW that Ozzie and KW can lead and produce a World Series-winning team. There are no obvious names out there to manage this team, and Girardi's definitely not on my list....let him replace Piniella on the North Side and blow out some more arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:35 PM) A seven headed pig might fly out of my ass before KW makes that big of a change during the year. KW's made big trades in June. See: Garcia. I know what you're saying, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 This would be the perfect time for Ozzie to prove me and a lot of his critics wrong and show that he's not lost his ability to manage. And please KW, don't trade for any aging veterans with the few prospects we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 06:22 PM) This would be the perfect time for Ozzie to prove me and a lot of his critics wrong and show that he's not lost his ability to manage. And please KW, don't trade for any aging veterans with the few prospects we have. I thought he never had any managing ability? The simple truth is he doesn't have the horses right now. This team is bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 11:26 PM) I thought he never had any managing ability? The simple truth is he doesn't have the horses right now. This team is bad! I've never thought he was a good manager....but I'm not going to be ignorant and say he never had any managing ability when he led us to a World Series. Read my post in the blame KW not Ozzie thread....not having Logan face Lind was a horrible decision! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(diegotony06 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG Uribe 44 146 14 31 4 0 5 21 50 12 38 1 0 .276 .342 .212 Vizquel 51 190 22 44 8 1 0 14 54 13 23 3 3 .283 .284 .232 I just don't see how he would improve this team. And he plays in a weaker league. Tading for him would be a move backwards, not forward. How far of a move backwards can you go from Uribe? This whole argument is making me laugh. I don't care one way or another. I am just saying Vizquel is not at all worse than Uribe. QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I thought he never had any managing ability? The simple truth is he doesn't have the horses right now. This team is bad! You really think he would have to give up anything for an aging vet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 You really think he would have to give up anything for an aging vet? I was talking about Ozzie not having the horses to be a good manager this year. Nothing about KW + trading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 QUOTE(diegotony06 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What looks riduculous is this team, and what reeks of unintelligence is our hitting coach, manager, and GM. Anyone who think this team will even sniff coming close to the playoffs, now that is ridiculous and reeks of unintelligence. At some point people have to be held accountable for their actions. It's just the way life is. If you have a job, and you f*** up at it by not doing your job for over 2 months then most likely, you get fired. That's just the way it is. So since this team has been playing like s*** since last july, then I think it's time for people to be held accountable. As for people who don't agree, hey that's fine. I have no problem with that. But to start saying people are not intelligent or sound like teenagers, when they are just expressing their opinion, then to me that's ridiculous and unintelligent. Kudos to your way of thinking. Good for you. I never said someone was unintelligent, what I did say was the opinion was unintelligent and sounded like a teenagers opinion. Sorry you disagree, but keeping 4 players is fantasy land thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wealz Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 The team needs to be rebuilt and that's ok. I don't understand the angst. Be glad their tanking before the trade deadline. Done properly they can get a decent bounty of prospects and have roughly $50M to spend this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Didn't get to see the game today, and I guess I'm glad something got messed up with the DVR and it didn't record. Did Danks deserve to be pulled so early, how many pitches did he throw? Granted, if he leaves him in another inning the pen would have blown it in the 7th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 06:45 PM) Didn't get to see the game today, and I guess I'm glad something got messed up with the DVR and it didn't record. Did Danks deserve to be pulled so early, how many pitches did he throw? Granted, if he leaves him in another inning the pen would have blown it in the 7th. 99 pitches through 5, he was taxed. The big debate seems to be not bringing in Logan to face Lind, and when a game is decided on something like that, we're in huge trouble. We had AJ thrown out, and runners that didn't score from 3rd on two separate occasions (including the top of the 9th)...overall, it was a predictable game, with all runners scoring off Masset with two outs and nobody on base in the bottom of the 6th. Everybody wanted Masset, and he, too, failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:35 PM) A seven headed pig might fly out of my ass before KW makes that big of a change during the year. Here ya go bud...just to help with that pig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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