southsider2k5 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 01:55 PM) I don't know if he'll hit in the majors. The only way anyone can tell is if he gets his chance. You can't just go through a list of all minor league prospects and automatically say depending on their numbers whether a player would succeed or not. That is asinine. And, right now, a monkey could probably put up better numbers then Crede. So history isn't a good guage of future preformance? What should you judge then? I think closing your eyes and blinding hoping is more assine than studying the history of players and organizations, but that is just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 01:00 PM) So history isn't a good guage of future preformance? What should you judge then? I think closing your eyes and blinding hoping is more assine than studying the history of players and organizations, but that is just me. Yeah yeah, you got the history and such, but no two players are alike. There is no way of saying with 100% confidence, like you are right now, that a player would either incredibly suck, be mediocre, or flourish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:02 PM) Yeah yeah, you got the history and such, but no two players are alike. There is no way of saying with 100% confidence, like you are right now, that a player would either incredibly suck, be mediocre, or flourish. Where did I say with 100% confidence? Quit putting words into my mouth. If you are getting that out of what I am saying, you need to re-enroll in remedial reading classes. I'll even repost my posts with special bolding and extra large print to help you out, and make it that much easier for you to apologize for making up what I said. Fields would probably be hitting about .150, striking out 35-40% of the time, and not fielding nearly as well as Joe. What about Fields says that he will do better than that? Will the extra walks taken balance out the extra runs allowed by Fields at 3B? What about Fields long swing and horrible strike out numbers makes you think he will out hit what Joe Crede is doing now? The Sox rookie hitters have a terrible history of adjusting to the majors, and that includes guys with much more effecient swings than Josh has. He might well be better in the future, but for 2007, I don't see where anyone would think he is going to be better than what we have now, especially when you factor in defense. Good god with as bad as our pitching has been, I shutter to think what they would look like without some one of Crede's calibur at 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Looks like I owe you a coke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And you expect that to happen with this team? lmao... I don't EXPECT that to happen with any team at all. HA HA HA HA!! QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Looks like I owe you a coke... Yeah, because 2K5 is completely right on this issue. I don't see a point where you can win this argument at all. On a winning team there is no place for fields right now. If they decide to rebuild or look towards the future later in the year then Fields should get a chance. I think that would be the wrong move though. He really isn't ready. The Sox too often rush guys that look like they could be stars. If you are really a fan of Fields you don't want this to happen to him. Let him take his time and be fully prepared so he can stay here for good when he does make that jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:37 PM) Yeah, because 2K5 is completely right on this issue. I don't see a point where you can win this argument at all. On a winning team there is no place for fields right now. If they decide to rebuild or look towards the future later in the year then Fields should get a chance. I think that would be the wrong move though. He really isn't ready. The Sox too often rush guys that look like they could be stars. If you are really a fan of Fields you don't want this to happen to him. Let him take his time and be fully prepared so he can stay here for good when he does make that jump. If this was a winning team, they'd be above .500.... embarrising to see 100+ million dollar preform like garbage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If this was a winning team, they'd be above .500.... embarrising to see 100+ million dollar preform like garbage... If you want this to be a winning team and if you want the best for Fields you would leave him where he is at. If you want this team to lose and for Fields to possibly lose confidence or not be fully prepared for this giant step, then please by all means bring him up. Fields does not help this team win as much as Crede can - at this point in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 This current team will win nothing. It needs a rebuilding... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:37 PM) Yeah, because 2K5 is completely right on this issue. I don't see a point where you can win this argument at all. On a winning team there is no place for fields right now. This isnt a winning team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:00 PM) This isnt a winning team. Fields has not even proven he is ready to play! This isn't like a Ryan Braun situation or a Ryan Howard situation. The kid still has plenty to improve upon in Charlotte and should do so until we have either no Joe Crede on the club anymore, or we get to September call ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(iamshack @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 03:02 PM) Fields has not even proven he is ready to play! This isn't like a Ryan Braun situation or a Ryan Howard situation. The kid still has plenty to improve upon in Charlotte and should do so until we have either no Joe Crede on the club anymore, or we get to September call ups. Crede has proven that he sucks... does that count for anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(iamshack @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:02 PM) Fields has not even proven he is ready to play! This isn't like a Ryan Braun situation or a Ryan Howard situation. The kid still has plenty to improve upon in Charlotte and should do so until we have either no Joe Crede on the club anymore, or we get to September call ups. Meh, he hasnt exactly sucked. .279 .392 .889 10 bombs. He has also been raking in May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:05 PM) Meh, he hasnt exactly sucked. .279 .392 .889 10 bombs. He has also been raking in May. Personally, I think Fields is going to be a strikeout machine, but I think the Sox should see what they have with him pretty soon if they aren't going to trade him. You might as well do it now. Its not like they'll be losing much, Crede has been awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:05 PM) Meh, he hasnt exactly sucked. .279 .392 .889 10 bombs. He has also been raking in May. And he still needs to work on his defense as well as shortening his swing. Bringing Fields up to replace Crede should be the LAST move that's made. Not the first. This team isn't losing games because of Joe Crede. It's losing games because of Jermaine Dye/Paul Konerko/the bullpen/Thome being injured. You don't replace stellar defensive players making reasonable salaries as your first attempt to shake things up. You just don't. QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:11 PM) Personally, I think Fields is going to be a strikeout machine, but I think the Sox should see what they have with him pretty soon if they aren't going to trade him. You might as well do it now. Its not like they'll be losing much, Crede has been awful. Not losing much? You can screw up his value by bringing him up to early and having him suck. You can also ruin the kid's confidence by throwing him in the deep end too early. Let the kid develop where he belongs. He isn't the savior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(iamshack @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:14 PM) And he still needs to work on his defense as well as shortening his swing. Bringing Fields up to replace Crede should be the LAST move that's made. Not the first. This team isn't losing games because of Joe Crede. It's losing games because of Jermaine Dye/Paul Konerko/the bullpen/Thome being injured. You don't replace stellar defensive players making reasonable salaries as your first attempt to shake things up. You just don't. Not losing much? You can screw up his value by bringing him up to early and having him suck. You can also ruin the kid's confidence by throwing him in the deep end too early. Let the kid develop where he belongs. He isn't the savior. See Alex Gordon for an example, he was SUPPOSED to be ROY and the best 3B prospect in all of baseball, along with Braun I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 09:11 PM) Personally, I think Fields is going to be a strikeout machine, but I think the Sox should see what they have with him pretty soon if they aren't going to trade him. You might as well do it now. Its not like they'll be losing much, Crede has been awful. It's a freaking joke that we didn't get him playing time in LF during the offseason and then in Spring Training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:23 PM) See Alex Gordon for an example, he was SUPPOSED to be ROY and the best 3B prospect in all of baseball, along with Braun I guess. And many think Braun won't end up being a third basemen because he can't field for crap. But he, unlike Fields, had absolutely nothing to prove offensively in the minor leagues anymore. QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:27 PM) It's a freaking joke that we didn't get him playing time in LF during the offseason and then in Spring Training. Why the hell is it a joke if you want him to be the heir apparent to Crede? He hasn't figured out 3b entirely yet, let alone the OF now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29thandPoplar Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's a freaking joke that we didn't get him playing time in LF during the offseason and then in Spring Training. I was down there for a while, here's why, its because they wanted him to focus on his swing, get him more comfortable at 3B because they were/are concerned with Crede's back. They felt asking Fields to learn another position was a bit much. Agree or not, that was the reason. And now it appears he is responding with the bat. They worked with him about learning the strike zone better too and his walk totals are up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 WHO REPLACED A GON ON THE ROSTER?????????????????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 4, 2007 Author Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:31 PM) WHO REPLACED A GON ON THE ROSTER?????????????????????????????????? He's on both the Charlotte and Sox roster.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 There was a guy on the radio this morning or maybe it was yesterday that said that Satchel Paige once pitched a game in KC in the morning and then drove to Chicago and pitched in a night game there. FWIW, maybe Andy can do the same. By the way, thanks, I thought I really missed something here today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 4, 2007 Author Share Posted June 4, 2007 Anderson out of the Knights lineup again. Fields back. Gonzo not starting/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:31 PM) I was down there for a while, here's why, its because they wanted him to focus on his swing, get him more comfortable at 3B because they were/are concerned with Crede's back. They felt asking Fields to learn another position was a bit much. Agree or not, that was the reason. And now it appears he is responding with the bat. They worked with him about learning the strike zone better too and his walk totals are up. And all things considered, it looks like we'll probably be needing him @ 3rd sooner rather than later in the big leagues, teh way things are going, so he might as well focus on improving with the bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 09:31 PM) I was down there for a while, here's why, its because they wanted him to focus on his swing, get him more comfortable at 3B because they were/are concerned with Crede's back. They felt asking Fields to learn another position was a bit much. Agree or not, that was the reason. And now it appears he is responding with the bat. They worked with him about learning the strike zone better too and his walk totals are up. I understand the Spring Training part....it's during Winter Ball that he should have played out there. I know there was the whole mess with the coaches, but we should have found him a better situation then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 So are the Sox playing a man short? If Gon is in Charlotte, who came up for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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