Time for some fun....

[fathom]

With everyone throwing around crazy trade ideas and scenarios, I thought it would be interesting to see what everyone thinks what our team will look like next year:

 

I'll go first

 

 

1b- Konerko

2b- Figgins

ss- Uribe

3b- Fields

c- AJP

lf- Erstad

cf- Hunter

rf- Dye

dh- Thome

 

sp- garland

sp- vazquez

sp- contreras

sp- danks

sp- gio gonzalez

 

relievers: jenks, thornton, aardsma, logan, russell, donnelly

[Kalapse]

On Opening Day David Eckstein will be the starting second baseman for the White Sox.

[whitesoxfan101]

We won't spend to keep Dye and Hunter with the attendance drop we have the 2nd half IMO, I'd rather see Egbert in the pen than Donnelly, and Figgins and Erstad in the same lineup will make me hurl. It's still too early for me to even come up with something like that, but I can see most of that happening.

[ShoeLessRob]

Is this what you want or what you think will happ'n?

[fathom]

We won't spend to keep Dye and Hunter with the attendance drop we have the 2nd half IMO, I'd rather see Egbert in the pen than Donnelly, and Figgins and Erstad in the same lineup will make me hurl. It's still too early for me to even come up with something like that, but I can see most of that happening.

 

We're going to be opening up a lot of payroll though with Buehrle and Iguchi leaving, and Crede's money opening up. Even if our payroll goes down, we should still have some money available. If we lose all of our FA, and still don't have money.....then that's just pathetic.

 

Is this what you want or what you think will happ'n?

 

Think, not want. It's just for fun of course.

[ShoeLessRob]

We're going to be opening up a lot of payroll though with Buehrle and Iguchi leaving, and Crede's money opening up. Even if our payroll goes down, we should still have some money available. If we lose all of our FA, and still don't have money.....then that's just pathetic.

Think, not want. It's just for fun of course.

Roger.

[Kalapse]

We're going to be opening up a lot of payroll though with Buehrle and Iguchi leaving, and Crede's money opening up. Even if our payroll goes down, we should still have some money available. If we lose all of our FA, and still don't have money.....then that's just pathetic.

Think, not want. It's just for fun of course.

Your predicted roster comes out to about $97.5M not including any bench players, so you're talking at least a $100M payroll next season.

[fathom]

Your predicted roster comes out to about $97.5M not including any bench players, so you're talking at least a $100M payroll next season.

 

I think we'll have a big payroll next year due to season ticket sales from this season. However, it's the 2008 attendance where we'll see season tix sales go down.

[whitesoxfan101]

I could see us having Dye or Hunter, but not both.

[fathom]

I could see us having Dye or Hunter, but not both.

 

I was close to putting Sweeney in instead of Dye....but that would just be too pathetic of an outfield.

[beautox]

LF - L Ellssbury (acquired with jed lowrie for Mark Buehrle)

SS - R Escobar (acquired with salty for JC + Anderson + Carter)

DH - L Thome

1B - R Konerko

CF - R Jones/Hunter (FA signed 8 years/$136M or 6 years/ $85.5M)

C - S Saltallamachia S (acquired with Escobar for JC + Anderson + Mmac[provided he gets it back] or Carter)

3B - R Fields

RF - L Sweeney

2B - S Lowrie (acquired with Jacob Ellssubry for Mark Buehrle)

 

SP

Garland

Vazquez

Danks

Masset

Gio

 

BP

Jenks

Thornton

Janssen

Aardsma

Logan

Day/Vasquez/Perez

 

Bench

OF/CI Mackowiak L

C Hall R

MI Aybar S

OF Terrero R

OF/1B Erstad L

 

Trade Deadline Moves Made

 

Mark Buehrle traded midseason for OF Jacob Ellssbury + MI Jed Lowrie (red sox)

 

Jermaine Dye traded midseason for 3B/1B Matthew Sweeney + MI Erik Aybar + RHP Jose Arredondo(angels)

 

Joe Crede For LHP Jonathan Sanchez + 2b Marcus Sanders(giants)

 

Tadahito Iguchi traded midseason for RHP Tobi Stoner(mets)

 

Offseason Moves Made

 

AJP + Juan Uribe for OF Travis Snider + RP Casey Janssen (blue jays)

 

Jose Contreras + Brian Anderson + RHP Mmac(provided he gets it together) or 1B Chris Carter for Jarrod Saltalamacchia + Yunell Escobar(braves)

 

FA Signed Andruw Jones or Torri Hunter

 

attempt to trade Scott Podsednik + Alex Cintron for anything or non tender

 

Top Prospects in no order

OF Travis Snider

OF Aaron Cunningham

1b Chris Carter

3b/1b Matt Sweeney

RHP De Los Santos

RHP Jack Egbert

RHP Adam Russel

2B Marcus Sanders

RHP Tobi Stoner

RHP Jose Arredondo

 

This team should be able to contend for the central or a WC by '09 but more likely '10

 

with a core of Thome/Konerko/Jones-Hunter that will protect alot of the young hitters and when its the time to contend again will still have that middle of the order pop.

 

also their is alot of above average speed and defense around the diamond.

 

'08 Opening Day Payroll

Andruw Jones 17M / Torii Hunter 14.25M

Jim Thome - 7.7M with the cash sent from Philly(14)

Paul Konerko - 12M

Jon Garland - 12M

Javier Vazquez - 11.5M

Rob Mackowiak - 3.5M

Darrin Erstad - 3.5M

Toby Hall - 1.5M

Pablo Ozuna - 1.25M

Matt Thornton - 875K

 

The other 15 remaining players making league min(380K)

-------- = 76.6M W Jones / 73.85M W Hunter

 

Thats also not factoring in the 10mil cleared this past off season from moving Garcia, 2M/5Y for flexibility

[witesoxfan]

Byrnes and Rowand will be on the south side, along with Eckstein and Erstad. Add to it that Tomas Perez will be the utility infielder, and Timo will be the pinch hit extraordinaire, and the team will be set. Those 6 alone will provide domination.

[SoxFan1]

C- A. Pierzynski

1B- P. Konerko

2B- D. Eckstein

SS- J. Uribe

3B- J. Fields

LF- D. Erstad

CF- A. Rowand

RF- R. Sweeney

DH- J. Thome

 

SP- J. Garland

SP- R. Lopez

SP- J. Danks

SP- J. Vazquez

SP- G. Gonzalez

 

Additions:

David Eckstein, Cardinals

Aaron Rowand, Phillies

Rodrigo Lopez, Rockies

 

Subtractions:

Joe Crede

Mark Buehrle

Jose Contreras

Jermaine Dye

Scott Podsednik

Edited June 4, 2007 by SoxFan1

[fathom]

1B- P. Konerko

2B- D. Eckstein

SS- J. Uribe

3B- J. Fields

LF- D. Erstad

CF- A. Rowand

RF- R. Sweeney

DH- J. Thome

 

SP- J. Garland

SP- R. Lopez

SP- J. Danks

SP- J. Vazquez

SP- G. Gonzalez

 

Additions:

David Eckstein, Cardinals

Aaron Rowand, Phillies

Rodrigo Lopez, Rockies

 

Subtractions:

Joe Crede

Mark Buehrle

Jose Contreras

Jermaine Dye

 

 

That team might not win 50 games.

[SoxFan1]

That team might not win 50 games.

But they would grind day and night baby!

[hitlesswonder]

That team might not win 50 games.

True, but it gets my vote as most likely roster for next season. I think this one is pretty spot-on.

[Gregory Pratt]

Why would we want Lopez?

[Kalapse]

1B- P. Konerko - $12M

2B- D. Eckstein - $5M

SS- J. Uribe - $5M

3B- J. Fields - $400K

LF- D. Erstad - $3.25M

CF- A. Rowand - $4.5M

RF- R. Sweeney - $400K

DH- J. Thome - $7.5M

 

SP- J. Garland - $12M

SP- R. Lopez - $2M???

SP- J. Danks - $400K

SP- J. Vazquez - $11.5M

SP- G. Gonzalez - $400K

 

~$64.35M

 

I assume the bullpen and Bench stay the same so that's an additional $7.2M for the bench and $3.5M for the bullpen.

 

~$75M

So the other ~$25M is simply pocketed? Can we fire KW now just based on the possibility that he may put together a roster similar to this?

[SoxFan1]

Lopez is making 4.3 million now, so he would be somewhere around 5.5-6 I would guess.

 

And we would also add Linebrink to the bullpen so chalk that up as another 4 million or so. Considering influx on the contracts of Eckstein and Rowand, I'd guess we'll be around 90 million next year. I don't know about the rest. Maybe we go out and try to get Jones or re-sign Buehrle in this scenario.

[hitlesswonder]

So the other ~$25M is simply pocketed? Can we fire KW now just based on the possibility that he may put together a roster similar to this?

Other people here would know better than me, but I think with attendance dropping this year the 2008 payroll will be close to the 2005 level (75 to 80 million). So, I think the payroll figure is pretty likely correct. Certainly there won't be room for a signing of someone like Ichiro, Hunter, or someone like that. I think the thing to expect is a couple of signings of lower-level free agents to inflated contracts because the Sox will have enough money for that and need to bring in some bodies.

 

And, really, wouldn't it be worth it to see Erstad and Rowand in the same outfield? Imagine the moment when they put each other on the DL by colliding while diving for a ball that rolls for an inside the park HR. I bet it would happen opening day.

[beautox]

by letting mark, dye and iguchi walk, and moving crede and jose there is more than enough money to sign a top flight FA CF.

 

If were going to sell off, were going to need a move that counter balance some of the negative press.

[Kalapse]

Lopez is making 4.3 million now, so he would be somewhere around 5.5-6 I would guess.

 

And we would also add Linebrink to the bullpen so chalk that up as another 4 million or so. Considering influx on the contracts of Eckstein and Rowand, I'd guess we'll be around 90 million next year. I don't know about the rest. Maybe we go out and try to get Jones or re-sign Buehrle in this scenario.

If you add $8M on to the total for Linebrink and Lopez then you're at $83M. And just because Lopez made a little over $4M this year doesn't mean he's due for a raise in free agency, he's not very good and is having some serious health issues this year. Unless he comes back this season and dominates, he's looking at a 2 year deal with a very small minimum salary ($3M) with some solid incentives.

 

Other people here would know better than me, but I think with attendance dropping this year the 2008 payroll will be close to the 2005 level (75 to 80 million). So, I think the payroll figure is pretty likely correct. Certainly there won't be room for a signing of someone like Ichiro, Hunter, or someone like that. I think the thing to expect is a couple of signings of lower-level free agents to inflated contracts because the Sox will have enough money for that and need to bring in some bodies.

 

And, really, wouldn't it be worth it to see Erstad and Rowand in the same outfield? Imagine the moment when they put each other on the DL by colliding while diving for a ball that rolls for an inside the park HR. I bet it would happen opening day.

2005 attendance goes towards 2006 payroll, 2006 attendance goes towards 2007 payroll and 2007 attendance goes towards 2008 payroll.

 

Considering how high this year's attendance will be, I'd say the 2008 payroll will be $100M+ any dip in attendance won't be felt payroll wise until the '09 season.

[SoxAce]

And just because Lopez made a little over $4M this year doesn't mean he's due for a raise in free agency, he's not very good and is having some serious health issues this year. Unless he comes back this season and dominates, he's looking at a 2 year deal with a very small minimum salary ($3M) with some solid incentives.

 

I doubt it. Especially in this day and age with teams. Some idiot organization would need pitching help badly so I'm almost positive that he'll be making 5+ unless he gets no offers for a starter and is offered a bullpen role.

Edited June 4, 2007 by SoxAce

[SoxFan1]

I doubt it. Especially in this day and age with teams. Some idiot organization would need pitching help badly so I'm almost positive that he'll be making 5+ unless he gets no offers for a starter and is offered a bullpen role.

He was pretty damn good up until his injury. And with the rate of pitching, he'll get his money. Marquis got 7 million for a 6.02 era.

[Kalapse]

I doubt it. Especially in this day and age with teams. Some idiot organization would need pitching help badly so I'm almost positive that he'll be making 5+ unless he gets no offers for a starter and is offered a bullpen role.

I'm talking in terms of the White Sox, if he's playing for the Sox next year it's for no more than $3.5M a year. It really doesn't matter how much he could get elsewhere, KW isn't going to throw $6M a year at a piece of s*** like Rodrigo Lopez.