Steve9347 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:22 AM) eye of gossage and toe of sutter? finger of rivera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:22 AM) eye of gossage and toe of sutter? ... Mitch William's mullet, Ugeth Urbina's criminal past ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Well...at least they weren't dumb enough to call up Gio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:24 AM) Well...at least they weren't dumb enough to call up Gio. But they were dumb enough to get infatuated with Nick Masset, who is still inexplicably on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 It's because he's the best candidate in the organization at "long man." If not for the second game of the season against CLE and the Cubs' Sunday sweep avoider, he would be history too. The only solution is to flip-flop him with Gavin Floyd, Lance Broadway, Heath Phillips or Charles Haeger. Maybe it would work, maybe it wouldn't. He has definitely shown some flashes, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:35 PM) It's because he's the best candidate in the organization at "long man." If not for the second game of the season against CLE and the Cubs' Sunday sweep avoider, he would be history too. The only solution is to flip-flop him with Gavin Floyd, Lance Broadway, Heath Phillips or Charles Haeger. Maybe it would work, maybe it wouldn't. He has definitely shown some flashes, though. Maybe we can just pitch Masset when the wind is blowing in 20 mph or it's 20 degrees out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:35 AM) Maybe we can just pitch Masset when the wind is blowing in 20 mph or it's 20 degrees out. Well, you can say the same for Haeger and Phillips, so that leaves, MAYBE, Broadway or Floyd, possibly Egbert, although the Sox don't usually bring up "non-stuff" guys all the way from AA. About the only exception was Buehrle, maybe? Yep, at age 21, MB jumped from BIRM to CHW without going the Charlotte route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:35 AM) It's because he's the best candidate in the organization at "long man." If not for the second game of the season against CLE and the Cubs' Sunday sweep avoider, he would be history too. The only solution is to flip-flop him with Gavin Floyd, Lance Broadway, Heath Phillips or Charles Haeger. Maybe it would work, maybe it wouldn't. He has definitely shown some flashes, though. I would much rather have Floyd or Broadway up here than Masset. I wish we had the 2006/mexican league Nick Masset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:35 AM) It's because he's the best candidate in the organization at "long man." If not for the second game of the season against CLE and the Cubs' Sunday sweep avoider, he would be history too. The only solution is to flip-flop him with Gavin Floyd, Lance Broadway, Heath Phillips or Charles Haeger. Maybe it would work, maybe it wouldn't. He has definitely shown some flashes, though. Floyd and Broadway have had better success at AAA, but I think they'd both suck just as hard. Egbert, on the other hand, with his ability to keep the ball in the park, limit walks, and strikeout batters at a respectable rate, all while not possessing a terribly high ceiling, would be my definition of the "best candidate in the organization at 'long man.'" Edited June 4, 2007 by Gene Honda Civic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:35 AM) Maybe we can just pitch Masset when the wind is blowing in 20 mph or it's 20 degrees out. Hes going to be a solid starter in the near future, but he is not a relief pitcher. With that said, hes our only long man option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 12:47 PM) I wish we had the 2006/mexican league Nick Masset.or the Venezuelan Winter League Brian Anderson. Edited June 4, 2007 by RME JICO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:52 AM) Hes going to be a solid starter in the near future He has a WHIP of 1.64 above AA. How the hell does that translate into success as a starter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:54 AM) He has a WHIP of 1.64 above AA. How the hell does that translate into success as a starter? From watching him start. I think he will do well in the bigs as a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 I'd like to add. Who the hell was our "long man" in '05? Did we not win 99 games? Who the hell was our "long man" in '06? Did we not win 90 games? It seems to me that carrying a "long man" for the sake of carrying a "long man" is part of the problem, not the solution. If you've got 3 or 4 respectable bullpen arms, and you need 6 to fill out a major league bullpen, what is the point in carrying #7? QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:55 AM) From watching him start. I think he will do well in the bigs as a starter. One game against the Cubs makes you a starter? How Felix Diaz these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:58 AM) One game against the Cubs makes you a starter? How Felix Diaz these days? Felix Diaz? Is that really the best comparison? Masset has major league stuff, you cant deny that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:58 AM) I'd like to add. Who the hell was our "long man" in '05? Did we not win 99 games? Who the hell was our "long man" in '06? Did we not win 90 games? It seems to me that carrying a "long man" for the sake of carrying a "long man" is part of the problem, not the solution. If you've got 3 or 4 respectable bullpen arms, and you need 6 to fill out a major league bullpen, what is the point in carrying #7? One game against the Cubs makes you a starter? How Felix Diaz these days? In 2005, it was essentially Vizcaino. Although I don't think he ever went up into that 3-4-5 innings range. Last year, McCarthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 I don't know about Masset. I don't think he will be a very good starter. I thought he would eventually be a good reliever because he did great when he was moved to the pen last year. He has also lost over 5 mph off his fastball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 10:01 AM) In 2005, it was essentially Vizcaino. Although I don't think he ever went up into that 3-4-5 innings range. Last year, McCarthy. Luis could reliably give you 2.1 innings. When he came up, before being promoted to Closer, Jenks was used in the 2+ innings role a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 12:00 PM) Felix Diaz? Is that really the best comparison? Masset has major league stuff, you cant deny that. He's got AAA numbers, you can't deny that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briguy27 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 can somebody give me prinz and bukovich stats? and does anybody know what pitches they have and how hard they throw? and are they both righties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:55 AM) From watching him start. I think he will do well in the bigs as a starter. He started 1 game and it was about 45 degrees with the wind blowing in 25 mph. The way the Urinal is set up, that was about as cold of wind as I have felt in a park. He did look good though. I just don't know how you can come to the conclusion he'll be a good starter from that. I don't know how you can say a guy is going to be good pitching 6 innings, but will really suck when you ask him to pitch 1 or 2 especially when Masset now has a history of relieving with the Rangers and the Mexican league or wherever he was dominating this winter. I wonder if the winter work is the reason his velocity is down or if it is just the curse of the lost velocity God that seems to infect almost every pitcher when he puts on a White Sox uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(briguy27 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 12:18 PM) can somebody give me prinz and bukovich stats? and does anybody know what pitches they have and how hard they throw? and are they both righties? Bukvich, 29, was 1-3 with nine saves, a 2.89 ERA (9 ER/28.0 IP), and 32 strikeouts in 23 appearances with Charlotte. A native of Naperville, Ill., the 6-foot-2, 250 pound Bukvich has pitched in 48 major-league games with Kansas City (2002-04) and Texas (2005), going 2-0 with a 6.94 ERA (36 ER/46.2 IP) and 39 strikeouts. Prinz, who turns 30 on June 15, went 0-1 with a 0.56 ERA (1 ER/16.0 IP) and 16 strikeouts in 15 outings with the Knights. The 6-foot-3, 210-pound native of Chicago Heights, Ill. limited opponents to a .179 (10-56) average. Prinz has appeared in 98 major-league games over five seasons with Arizona (2001-03), the Yankees (2003-04) and Dodgers (2005), going 5-4 with nine saves and a 4.77 ERA (47 ER/88.2 IP). His best season came as a rookie in 2001 when he was 4-1 with a 2.63 ERA (12 ER/41.0 IP) and ranked second on the team with nine saves as the Diamondbacks won the World Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(briguy27 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 12:18 PM) can somebody give me prinz and bukovich stats? and does anybody know what pitches they have and how hard they throw? and are they both righties? These pitchers are basically crap. They should do better than Aaardsma and MaaacDougal have done, but worse than what you would have thought would have been average for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 05:23 PM) These pitchers are basically crap. They should do better than Aaardsma and MaaacDougal have done, but worse than what you would have thought would have been average for them. This is beyond embarrassing right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 12:23 PM) These pitchers are basically crap. They should do better than Aaardsma and MaaacDougal have done, but worse than what you would have thought would have been average for them. I agree they are journeymen and bounced around all these years for a reason. Cuz they cant get major league hitters out. At least we can say the others teams haven't already figured them out the way they did Aardsma and Massett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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