The Irony Of This Forum

[JohnCangelosi]

All the talk in ST was HOW BAD our starters were going to be. I don't recall nearly the amount of people b****ing about Kenny's job regarding the bullpen or lineup on the field. There wasn't much talk about that...

 

Sure, there was some anger over the way BA was handled and lied to regarding the "open" CF position, and the signing of Grinderstad angered many (as well did the resigning of Pods).

 

But do you guys remember (and you know who you are!) talking about how BAD our SP was going to be? Buerhle was DONE, Garland was over rated, Contreras was old, Danks would be sent down after April leaving us with the 5th starter horrors of 04, and finally Vasquez wouldn't make it past the 5th inning all year.

 

And after opening day it just reinforced your beliefs.

 

Some of you guys even were criticizing Jenks!!! The guy is probably the best competitor we have.

 

Nevertheless, our SP has been absolutely fantastic and the hitting absolutely atrocious. The last 4 weeks, I'd have to say I've never seen a worse collective bullpen performance in my 20 years of watching baseball.

 

Isn't it Ironic?

 

The point is, it's amazing we're only one game under .500. If we don't hit in June, I'll pack it in but I still have faith this team could make a run for it...

 

My .02

[Gene Honda Civic]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironic#Usage_controversy

[BearSox]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironic#Usage_controversy

I thought Ironic meant made of iron... (joke from king of queens)

[elrockinMT]

If you mean that we still can compete then yes I agree. Lots of things didn't happen the way we thought they would and that's why I don't put a lot of faith in predictions and so called experts like we see on ESPN and in baseball magazines.

[rangercal]

How dare you question the GM skills of all of us posters! Some of us have over 5k Posts!! Who do you think you are?

[JohnCangelosi]

If you mean that we still can compete then yes I agree. Lots of things didn't happen the way we thought they would and that's why I don't put a lot of faith in predictions and so called experts like we see on ESPN and in baseball magazines.

And it's also a little "shot" to the people in ST who said we were going to suck because Kenny was an idiot for doing (or not doing) anything with the SP. Turns out they were wrong with a capital W.

 

It turns out, we do suck, but not because of the SP, that's for sure. And isn't it ironic???

 

And yes, I still think we have a chance if we can actually start to hit like we can- the bullpen doesnt need to be awesome in that case, just decent if we can get this type of SP...

[knightni]

How dare you question the GM skills of all of us posters! Some of us have over 5k Posts!! Who do you think you are?

 

And some of them have nearly 5,000.

 

[Kalapse]

Yeah it was pretty f***ed up criticizing the incredibly overweight closer with the screws holding his elbow together and some numbers from the beginning of July to the end of last season that would make you cringe. He was one of the worst relievers in baseball from July 6th to the end of the year last season, anyone who questioned his abilities was only be realistic, hell I still have my doubts when it comes to Bobby, lets see him pitch an entire season with consistent results before anointing him anything but a question mark.

 

Contreras is old, he's being showing his age all year, his 1.446 WHIP and consistently shaky performances are evidence of that. His velocity is down and he's throwing almost exclusively from the side, hopefully he can get his good stuff back but considering the mileage on his arm and his probably age I don't like the odds.

 

Garland isn't really overrated, if you consider him an incredibly reliable, sometimes dominant but more often than not slightly above league average starter then you're rating him about right. He's the type of starter you love to have in your rotation and a good fit for the ballpark he plays the majority of his games in.

 

Buehrle was coming off the worst 3 months of his career last season, he had quite a bit to prove coming in and luckily he has shown that last year was more of an aberration than anything else.

 

Vazquez is seriously pissing me off, I really felt this was going to be a breakout season for him but he has yet to take over and dominate the way I expected him to. His last start was exactly what I thought we'd be seeing for the majority of the season, the Sox badly need that sort of consistently nasty performance from a guy who will be making $11.5M for the next 3 years or so.

 

I loved the inclusion of Danks in the starting rotation out of ST, he's one of the only players on the team who I felt truly earned his job this Spring.

 

I'd say 50% of the talk on the board during the Spring was about the outfield and how many people, myself included, felt the outfield was going to be a complete disaster. "some" anger over the LF/CF situation is a gross understatement.

[fathom]

Great post kalapse. We were pissed cause KW didn't do enough to improve a team that struggled during the 2nd half of last season and you could see with your own eyes that they were losing a step.

[Dick Allen]

We who question anything are stooges obviously. KW is a genius. Of course he thought the team he put together for over $100 million had a great bullpen.

[The Ginger Kid]

Kenny also says...

 

"Josh Fields, I think, is ultimately going to be an All-Star," Williams said Monday after spending a week scouting the Sox's minor league system. "I think he's going to be a special player."

 

do you believe him? do you trust his assessment?

[JohnCangelosi]

Great post kalapse. We were pissed cause KW didn't do enough to improve a team that struggled during the 2nd half of last season and you could see with your own eyes that they were losing a step.

 

I recall you making that post about Jenks and all of these stats about him declining since around the allstar break last year.

 

Sure, the stats showed considerable decline, but sheesh, the guy was still 41 out of 45. Would you take that out of a closer every year?

 

The bottom line here is our hitting has been a complete joke this year- despite everyone's b****ing about Pods and the CF situation in ST, nobody thought Dye, Konerko, Crede, Iguchi and gang would decide to put their skirts on for the first two months of the year.

 

(Ironically, if we didn't have the guy MOST people were b****ing about that Kenny picked up we'd probably be 4 or 5 more games under .500 (Erstad).)

 

All I am saying is the naysayers in this forum were WRONG about why this team was going to suck this year, and it proves you guys don't necessarily know it all either.

 

If and when this team starts hitting, you'll see that this is a competitive squad after all, and you'll have to eat some crowe.

[Kalapse]

(Ironically, if we didn't have the guy MOST people were b****ing about that Kenny picked up we'd probably be 4 or 5 more games under .500 (Erstad).)

And now that he's hurt there's no realistic replacement for him. That's EXACTLY what was feared would happen when he originally signed. Darin Erstad is not a f***ing positive, the fact that KW put all of his eggs in the Pods/Erstad basket has completely f***ed up the top of this lineup and will probably be impossible fix for the rest of the season. The Erstad and Podsednik signings were terrible and have put this team in a position it couldn't afford to be in, they have to tread water for the next 4 months with no leadoff man.

 

All I am saying is the naysayers in this forum were WRONG about why this team was going to suck this year, and it proves you guys don't necessarily know it all either.

 

If and when this team starts hitting, you'll see that this is a competitive squad after all, and you'll have to eat some crowe.

Other than being an incredibly misguided attempt at self serving s*** talking what exactly did you hope to gain by calling people out? You can't even get your facts straight.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

I had already kinda forgotten pods was on this team...

[fathom]

I recall you making that post about Jenks and all of these stats about him declining since around the allstar break last year.

 

Sure, the stats showed considerable decline, but sheesh, the guy was still 41 out of 45. Would you take that out of a closer every year?

 

Jenks was really bad the last few months of the season. When you combine that with his shoulder discomfort to start Spring Training, as well as his talk about velocity.....then yes, you have to be concerned about him. Jenks has still yet to prove he can go an entire major league season without hitting the wall. It wasn't just the blown saves for Jenks that hurt us during the 2nd half last year. He lost quite a few games when he was brought in for a non-save situation.

[JohnCangelosi]

Other than being an incredibly misguided attempt at self serving s*** talking what exactly did you hope to gain by calling people out? You can't even get your facts straight.

Uhh what facts did I not get straight?

 

I think it's time someone steps up and says something when you talk out of both sides of your mouth. It's easy sitting on the sidelines being able to cover your ass and when things go wrong you can say "I told you so".

 

Meanwhile, the reason this team sucks is NOT the reason you predicted at the start of the year with your doomsday attitude, in fact, it's the exact opposite, which is my point.

 

That said, how can you sit there saying you have ANY more of a clue than the people you b**** about that are running this team???

[fathom]

Uhh what facts did I not get straight?

 

I think it's time someone steps up and says something when you talk out of both sides of your mouth. It's easy sitting on the sidelines being able to cover your ass and when things go wrong you can say "I told you so".

 

Meanwhile, the reason this team sucks is NOT the reason you predicted at the start of the year with your doomsday attitude, in fact, it's the exact opposite, which is my point.

 

That said, how can you sit there saying you have ANY more of a clue than the people you b**** about that are running this team???

 

Well, I guess I was one of the few then that thought our offense was going to be mediocre this year. The signs were there with the aging players, the poor 2nd half last year, the 2/3 pathetic outfield situation, and our inability to hit lefty pitching.

[kapkomet]

Fathom wins!

 

But then again, he's always negative, so if anything went wrong, of course he was going to be right.

[JohnCangelosi]

Well, I guess I was one of the few then that thought our offense was going to be mediocre this year. The signs were there with the aging players, the poor 2nd half last year, the 2/3 pathetic outfield situation, and our inability to hit lefty pitching.

Hell, with a MEDIOCRE offense this year we're probably 8 games over right around the lead for the wild card...

[Kalapse]

Uhh what facts did I not get straight?

 

I think it's time someone steps up and says something when you talk out of both sides of your mouth. It's easy sitting on the sidelines being able to cover your ass and when things go wrong you can say "I told you so".

 

Meanwhile, the reason this team sucks is NOT the reason you predicted at the start of the year with your doomsday attitude, in fact, it's the exact opposite, which is my point.

 

That said, how can you sit there saying you have ANY more of a clue than the people you b**** about that are running this team???

I truly love how you speak in generalities.

 

You have what? 100 posts? Who the f*** are you to talk, seriously? I honestly have no clue what your feeling on the team were coming into the season, maybe you can give me a little evidence as to how you are the righteous one here and how everyone else is a hypocrite.

 

I really have no idea why I should take anything you've posted here with any more than a grain of salt. Next time you decide to start calling out an entire group of people, you should first build up a bit of credibility and a reputation in that community.

[fathom]

Fathom wins!

 

But then again, he's always negative, so if anything went wrong, of course he was going to be right.

 

Hey, I've said some positive things lately, especially regarding people like Josh Fields, Jerry Owens, Boone Logan, etc.

[RockRaines]

Hey, I've said some positive things lately, especially regarding people like Josh Fields, Jerry Owens, Boone Logan, etc.

That and we have agreed on several topics.......

 

 

Wait, did someone get Fathom's password?

[JohnCangelosi]

I truly love how you speak in generalities.

 

You have what? 100 posts? Who the f*** are you to talk, seriously? I honestly have no clue what your feeling on the team were coming into the season, maybe you can give me a little evidence as to how you are the righteous one here and how everyone else is a hypocrite.

 

I really have no idea why I should take anything you've posted here with any more than a grain of salt. Next time you decide to start calling out an entire group of people, you should first build up a bit of credibility and a reputation in that community.

 

When did I say I was righteous? I certainly didn't b**** about the SP in ST. I believed Buerhle was going to have a good year but had no reason to believe it outside of the fact I don't base opinions based on 3 months of baseball. Remember Clemens was kicked out of Boston by hypersensitive people like yourself saying he was done. How wrong they were!

 

Just because I found this forum in March means I have no credibility? I've been following the White Sox for 22 years, (longer than you've been alive?) usually catching on average around 140 games a year.

 

Why isn't it fair to call you out and simply say, "Yes, you're right, we suck, but NOT because of why you thought we'd suck!"?

 

Did I hurt your feelings? Don't take it personally, you were wrong, that's all.

 

Sorry, I shouldn't say that. Once I have 1,000 posts inherently my comments will have credibility. Makes about as much sense as saying you should only start in the major leagues after you hit 30 yrs old.

 

P.S. I am a 35yr old man and in running my software business and managing a 100 or so employees, I don't get on here as much as I like, so it may take a while to get 1,000 posts ;-)

[WCSox]

P.S. I am a 35yr old man and in running my software business and managing a 100 or so employees, I don't get on here as much as I like, so it may take a while to get 1,000 posts ;-)

 

Don't you get it? Only college kids who post 20+ times a day on Soxtalk know what they're talking about. Sheesh!

[Kalapse]

When did I say I was righteous? I certainly didn't b**** about the SP in ST. I believed Buerhle was going to have a good year but had no reason to believe it outside of the fact I don't base opinions based on 3 months of baseball. Remember Clemens was kicked out of Boston by hypersensitive people like yourself saying he was done. How wrong they were!

 

Just because I found this forum in March means I have no credibility? I've been following the White Sox for 22 years, (longer than you've been alive?) usually catching on average around 140 games a year.

 

Why isn't it fair to call you out and simply say, "Yes, you're right, we suck, but NOT because of why you thought we'd suck!"?

 

Did I hurt your feelings? Don't take it personally, you were wrong, that's all.

 

Sorry, I shouldn't say that. Once I have 1,000 posts inherently my comments will have credibility. Makes about as much sense as saying you should only start in the major leagues after you hit 30 yrs old.

 

P.S. I am a 35yr old man and in running my software business and managing a 100 or so employees, I don't get on here as much as I like, so it may take a while to get 1,000 posts ;-)

You are making blanket statements, if you want to call out individual posters then go for it. Find some past post of theirs and give them an opportunity to defend themselves, what you're doing right now is conjecture and complete horses***. Congrats to you on your life long Sox fandom, I really don't give a s*** about your lameass life story. I don't know any of your opinions because you have yet to create any sort of history on this board, before calling out an entire community (which is an incredibly flawed plan to begin with) you

should first get your thoughts out there so people have some means of rebuttal.

 

So when can I start up a thread calling out everyone on the board who thought the Sox would run away with the division? They were totally wrong and should really eat some Crow for their false predictions.

 

Don't you get it? Only college kids who post 20+ times a day on Soxtalk know what they're talking about. Sheesh!

So you really don't get what I was saying there huh? If you decided to call me out right now for something I said in the offseason I could atleast go back and pull up a good amount of your posts from the past in order to form a proper rebuttal. I can't do that with someone who has yet to set up any sort of reputation on the board.

 

I did a quick google search for JohnCangelosi on Soxtalk and couldn't find any sort of opinionated posts. If I get called out by someone like that then what the hell is my recourse?