Crede Out Again, Possible DL Trip (per Score)

[Balta1701]

He has a better upside then his brother Willy (who is with the Braves now), and could become the type of SS we need.

Actually, Willie Aybar is not with the Braves now. In fact, for a while, no one in baseball had a clue where he was, including his brother. It appears now he's in rehab for something at an undisclosed location. Possibly serving as target practice for the Vice President, I'm not sure.

[The Ginger Kid]

Aybar is so overrated on this site, it's scary.

nah, he's good.

 

that and the fact that I'm so over juan uribe.

 

this already posted?

Back on the bench: Mired in a 1-for-18 slump and with just three hits in his last 26 at-bats over the past eight games, Joe Crede was out of action for Tuesday night's contest with the Yankees. But it was more back soreness, and not the slump, which kept Crede sidelined.

 

It's a problem that Guillen believes might be affecting Crede's swing.

 

"I think so," said Guillen of Crede's back. "This kid started running, he's always stretching. ... I asked him about it, and he said it's a little stiff.

 

"He tried to play through it. I said, 'I want to give you a couple of days to see how you feel,' and hopefully he feels better."

 

Crede previously was out of action for three games at the end of May because of the persistent back problem. At that point, the White Sox opted against placing him on the disabled list.

 

If a few days of rest doesn't improve Crede's condition, though, Guillen might turn to a couple weeks of inactivity to get his third baseman closer to full strength.

 

"I'd rather lose him for 15 days than three or four months," said Guillen. "When you have back problems the way it is, yeah, you can play through it, but you don't know exactly what it is."

[BearSox]

Seriously, just put him on the DL, give a cortisone shot or two, and see how he feels in 15 days...

[iamshack]

I don't care if some overrate him. I have been a big fan of his for a while now. He has a better upside then his brother Willy (who is with the Braves now), and could become the type of SS we need. He has great range, a cannon arm as well, and can pick it at SS, a lot like Uribe. But the difference is, he is a switch hitter who has blazing speed and can do a decent job at getting on base. He isn't going to walk a lot, but he will still probably get more then Uribe. And with his speed, he can turn ground outs into singles, and possible DP balls into ground outs, something which Uribe doesn't have enough speed to do.

 

He won't be a future leadoff hitter like some think he might be, but he would be a perfect guy for the 9-hole, sometimes considered second leadoff.

 

Considering his blazing speed, he may be the worst base stealer in the history of baseball, which negates alot of his strength. The kid will be an average major league ballplayer, and certainly no better than Uribe.

[BearSox]

Considering his blazing speed, he may be the worst base stealer in the history of baseball, which negates alot of his strength. The kid will be an average major league ballplayer, and certainly no better than Uribe.

Thats a bold statement, as for a player with the amount of talent Aybar has, it shouldn't be that tough for him to hit above .240...

[iamshack]

Thats a bold statement, as for a player with the amount of talent Aybar has, it shouldn't be that tough for him to hit above .240...

 

Uribe's contribution to this team is defensively, with a bit of pop at the bottom of the order. Considering Aybar steals bases at about a 55% clip, and can't hold a candle to Uribe defensively, I'll take Uribe all day over Aybar.

[BearSox]

Uribe's contribution to this team is defensively, with a bit of pop at the bottom of the order. Considering Aybar steals bases at about a 55% clip, and can't hold a candle to Uribe defensively, I'll take Uribe all day over Aybar.

What are you talking about? Aybar has said to have GG potential, and his arm is as good or even better.

Edited June 6, 2007 by BearSox

[iamshack]

What are you talking about? Aybar has said to have GG potential, and his arm is as good or even better.

 

Really? Juan Uribe is the second best defensive shortstop to Adam Everett, and has the second best arm in baseball to Rafael Furcal. Let's see Aybar prove himself before we put him on par with Uribe, especially given the fact that he isn't hitting for sh*t himself right now.

[BearSox]

Really? Juan Uribe is the second best defensive shortstop to Adam Everett, and has the second best arm in baseball to Rafael Furcal. Let's see Aybar prove himself before we put him on par with Uribe, especially given the fact that he isn't hitting for sh*t himself right now.

Personally, I'd rather have some contribute positively on both sides of the ball, rather than on only one side of the ball... but hey, that's just me.

[iamshack]

Personally, I'd rather have some contribute positively on both sides of the ball, rather than on only one side of the ball... but hey, that's just me.

 

Yeah, that would be a perfect world, wouldn't it. But we can't have all-stars at every position. Juan Uribe has saved more runs at SS than practically any other ss in the league over the past 3 years. With the hitters we have on this team, it's not all on Juan when we aren't winning. If you were claiming we would be better off with someone like Jose Reyes at ss, I would certainly buy in. But you're asking for Uribe to be replaced by Aybar, who hasn't proven he can hit anymore than Juan can.

[knightni]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines

[witesoxfan]

Maybe it's hindsight for you, but I wanted him moved this past offseason, but not for junk like Ervin Santana and Chone Figgins.

 

I doubt you could have gotten even that. 3B was not a high priority this offseason, and Crede's a middle of the pack 3Bman, and maybe top 10 all around, but I doubt even that. Really, the only teams I can think of that were looking for 3Bman were Anaheim, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, San Diego, and San Francisco, and all pretty much settled for what they were able to get; the demand was not that great, and the Sox would have been left with a disappointing package. Add to it that I really doubt Fields would have done much better than Crede did in the first 2 months of this year (with the possibility of putting up a worse April, but also likely a better May), and it just didn't make sense, not even now.

 

No, the Sox should not have traded Crede in the offseason, even in hindsight. It's just a situation that was never going to work out.

 

Personally, I'd rather have some contribute positively on both sides of the ball, rather than on only one side of the ball... but hey, that's just me.

 

I bet Juan Uribe puts up a higher OPS over the next 3 years than does Erick Aybar. And I also bet he's rated better defensively overall, considering all stats and types of information.

 

Considering his IsoSLG this year is .023, and it was .130 in the PCL last year, and that he's never proven to be an effective base stealer at any minor league level, and that he, admittedly, does not walk, what's the upside? Hell, he 29 of his 32 hits this season have been singles. He sounds more like a grinder than anything else. I mean, plain and simply, he's probably going to have to hit .300 to put up an OPS around .720. If Juan Uribe hits .250, he's got .725 in the bag, and anything above that is money in the bag.

[southsider2k5]

They just need to give Joe the two weeks off and call up Fields.

[DBAHO]

They just need to give Joe the two weeks off and call up Fields.

Exactly. I don't know if KW feels if he calls up Fields and he does well, he'll be under pressure to keep him up when Crede gets healthy, but isn't that a good thing considering how putrid our offense has been?

 

But really Joe should of just had the surgery in the off-season, but he was probably too stubborn to think with some rest it could stand up, and now he's cost both his value to the team and value around the league.

[caulfield12]

I doubt you could have gotten even that. 3B was not a high priority this offseason, and Crede's a middle of the pack 3Bman, and maybe top 10 all around, but I doubt even that. Really, the only teams I can think of that were looking for 3Bman were Anaheim, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, San Diego, and San Francisco, and all pretty much settled for what they were able to get; the demand was not that great, and the Sox would have been left with a disappointing package. Add to it that I really doubt Fields would have done much better than Crede did in the first 2 months of this year (with the possibility of putting up a worse April, but also likely a better May), and it just didn't make sense, not even now.

 

No, the Sox should not have traded Crede in the offseason, even in hindsight. It's just a situation that was never going to work out.

I bet Juan Uribe puts up a higher OPS over the next 3 years than does Erick Aybar. And I also bet he's rated better defensively overall, considering all stats and types of information.

 

Considering his IsoSLG this year is .023, and it was .130 in the PCL last year, and that he's never proven to be an effective base stealer at any minor league level, and that he, admittedly, does not walk, what's the upside? Hell, he 29 of his 32 hits this season have been singles. He sounds more like a grinder than anything else. I mean, plain and simply, he's probably going to have to hit .300 to put up an OPS around .720. If Juan Uribe hits .250, he's got .725 in the bag, and anything above that is money in the bag.

 

 

At any rate, it seems like the big competition in terms of the trade market for 3B will come from Troy Glaus at this point.

 

Also, there's always the option of moving Uribe over to 2B if we could bring in someone like Jimmy Rollins. That would be a pretty darned good combination, IMO.

[beautox]

Same here... I wanted a Aybar + maybe a little something else out of Crede in the offseason...

 

+ 1 i wanted willits and aybar.

[BearSox]

+ 1 i wanted willits and aybar.

Where's he playing now with Anderson back?

[Balta1701]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines

This article sure makes it sound like Crede's back has been bothering him for longer than even the team has known about it, which strongly suggests that it's been bothering him for the entire season so far. To me, it sure sounds like his suckiness with the bat is therefore directly related to his back, once again, and just as some of us predicted it would be when he decided against the surgery.

 

Where's he playing now with Anderson back?

Anderson was their DH last night. The Halos seem to be moving around the DH spot between their OF's, Willits, Vlad, Anderson, etc. to keep them all in the lineup and give them a little more rest.

[Harry Chappas]

This article sure makes it sound like Crede's back has been bothering him for longer than even the team has known about it, which strongly suggests that it's been bothering him for the entire season so far. To me, it sure sounds like his suckiness with the bat is therefore directly related to his back, once again, and just as some of us predicted it would be when he decided against the surgery.

Anderson was their DH last night. The Halos seem to be moving around the DH spot between their OF's, Willits, Vlad, Anderson, etc. to keep them all in the lineup and give them a little more rest.

 

Funny thing about saying this is that it gives a real nice excuse for a bad start. What if the start was the start and the back was fine? Easy way to explain s***ty numbers come arbitration time next year as oppossed to the fact hat Joe isn't nearly the player he and Boras thought he was.

[WCSox]

On a related thought, putting Crede on the DL makes him literally impossible to trade.

 

Could the Sox wait until the end of the season and then trade their "rights" to him next year to a different team? Not sure how that works in MLB.

[BearSox]

Well, no one can blame Crede for not wanting back surgery. I wouldn't want someone cutting open up back and playing around with my spine and such. They do more harm then good usually. It is a tough decision. Take the chance of being a cripple or playing ball again? Man....

 

I think Dallas McPherson had the same type of surgery this offseason. Any word on his condition?

[Balta1701]

Could the Sox wait until the end of the season and then trade their "rights" to him next year to a different team? Not sure how that works in MLB.

Yes, the Sox could trade him even if he was on the DL, until the trading deadline in 2008. The big issue of course is why anyone would want a guy who's back is so bad it keeps him hitting .216.

 

Well, no one can blame Crede for not wanting back surgery. I wouldn't want someone cutting open up back and playing around with my spine and such. They do more harm then good usually. It is a tough decision. Take the chance of being a cripple or playing ball again? Man....

 

I think Dallas McPherson had the same type of surgery this offseason. Any word on his condition?

What is the status of Dallas McPherson? Could he return this year? The Angels could sure use his bat at third base.

-- Chuck P., Huntington Beach, Calif.

 

McPherson underwent serious back surgery on Jan. 22 for the removal of a central disk herniation. The recovery is long and arduous. It is unrealistic to think that he can come back this season.

 

The hope is that he'll take his time and be ready to go next season. He'll be 27 next spring, with a lot of good years left.

Link.

[southsider2k5]

Funny thing about saying this is that it gives a real nice excuse for a bad start. What if the start was the start and the back was fine? Easy way to explain s***ty numbers come arbitration time next year as oppossed to the fact hat Joe isn't nearly the player he and Boras thought he was.

 

Why would you assume that he is lying instead of the obvious fact that the whole world can see? That makes zero sence to me.

[That funky motion]

At any rate, it seems like the big competition in terms of the trade market for 3B will come from Troy Glaus at this point.

Glaus has been hurt more that Crede with that foot of his. But Glaus can hit hurt or not.

[RibbieRubarb]

Funny thing about saying this is that it gives a real nice excuse for a bad start. What if the start was the start and the back was fine? Easy way to explain s***ty numbers come arbitration time next year as oppossed to the fact hat Joe isn't nearly the player he and Boras thought he was.

 

So Joe Crede is a liar?!? Do you have any proof on this?!?

So your theory is a professional ballplayer will risk have surgery on his back for no reason just to cover up a bad two months?!?

 

Do you think before you post or just type whatever pops in your mind??

 

Glaus has been hurt more that Crede with that foot of his. But Glaus can hit hurt or not.

 

When Glaus gets hurt he doesn't play. He's already been on the DL once this year. He missed almost the enitre 2003 and 2004 seasons.

 

Crede's mistake has been playing thorugh the injury and not taking care of it early.

Edited June 6, 2007 by RibbieRubarb