Aaron Poreda selected

[vandy125]

Welcome to the White Sox Mr. Poreda.

 

 

Now, run and hide because the scouts on this board know more about what should have been done and think your name should be Porcello.

 

Seriously, how many of you guys who are constantly bashing things like this actually know anything? Hmmm, what should we listen to, people who actually have careers in scouting and analyzing, or some wannabes?

Edited June 8, 2007 by vandy125

[AWhiteSoxinNJ]

5 Pitchers in the first 5 rounds???

[Reddy]

The analysts at the draft specifically mentioned poreda saying that he could be as good as any of the pitchers at the top of the draft. This tells me he thinks he is as good as any other pitcher in the draft. Therefore I think he has a large ego considering other pitchers picked far ahead of him have much better stuff. Get it now?

 

whoa whoa whoa re-read my post - THE ANALYSTS said he could be as good as anyone in the draft, NOT POREDA himself.

 

jeez already give him a bad rap

[WHITESOXRANDY]

I like our second pick better than our first. I really think this kid is going to turn out good.

 

I'm anxious to get him signed and on the field.

[Kalapse]

Welcome to the White Sox Mr. Poreda.

Now, run and hide because the scouts on this board know more about what should have been done and think your name should be Porcello.

 

Seriously, how many of you guys who are constantly bashing things like this actually know anything? Hmmm, what should we listen to, people who actually have careers in scouting and analyzing, or some wannabes?

I agree, I think the Sox' 1st round draft history over the past 16 years really speaks for itself. How can people bash these professional scouts when they continue to churn out impact major league talent year after year in the opening round? Lance Broadway, Brian Anderson, Royce Ring, Kris Honel, Joe Borchard, Jason Stumm, Matt Ginter, Kip Wells, Jason Dellaero, Bobby Seay, Jeff Liefer, Mark Johnson, Scott Christman, Eddie Pearson and Scott Ruffcorn, would be ashamed as would the ghost of Kyle McCulloch if he wasn't busy being mediocre at Winston Salem.

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 8, 2007 -> 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I agree, I think the Sox' 1st round draft history over the past 16 years really speaks for itself. How can people bash these professional scouts when they continue to churn out impact major league talent year after year in the opening round? Lance Broadway, Brian Anderson, Royce Ring, Kris Honel, Joe Borchard, Jason Stumm, Matt Ginter, Kip Wells, Jason Dellaero, Bobby Seay, Jeff Liefer, Mark Johnson, Scott Christman, Eddie Pearson and Scott Ruffcorn, would be ashamed as would the ghost of Kyle McCulloch if he wasn't busy being mediocre at Winston Salem.

...and yet somehow the Sox, over the past 10 years, are #10 in having their draft picks from the first 5 rounds make the big league team. It should also be noted that the Sox over that time span have generally been competitive (harder for picks to come up,) not cheap (no KC or Devil Rays approach,) and have not given out fishy contract that demand call ups, like the Tigers.

 

 

But according to all the Mel Kipers here who exclusively look at radar guns readings, K/9, and groundball ratios, the Sox are the worst in the league.

 

Go figure.

[Kalapse]

...and yet somehow the Sox, over the past 10 years, are #10 in having their draft picks from the first 5 rounds make the big league team. It should also be noted that the Sox over that time span have generally been competitive (harder for picks to come up,) not cheap (no KC or Devil Rays approach,) and have not given out fishy contract that demand call ups, like the Tigers.

But according to all the Mel Kipers here who exclusively look at radar guns readings, K/9, and groundball ratios, the Sox are the worst in the league.

 

Go figure.

They seem to be pretty solid in round 2 while still mediocre with sandwich picks between the first 2 rounds. Josh Fields (FAR too early to tell), Brian Anderson, Royce Ring, Joe Borchard, Matt Ginter, Kip Wells, Jason Dellaero, Jeff Liefer, Mark Johnson and Scott Ruffcorn are all 1st round picks that made it to the bigs, it doesn't mean they had any sort of real impact in the league though, I guess it's fun to have your first round picks play well enough in the minors to atleast get a callup but what's the point if none of them really do anything? The Sox have remained at or above the .500 mark for quite a while now (with a few rough patches thrown in there), I do agree it's fun to be so consistently average but their absolute ineptitude in drafting 1st round picks is just scary. I'm hardly one of the biggest critics of the front office but to say the White Sox and their scouts don't deserve to be criticized or second guessed when it comes to their first round selections just seems ridiculous considering their track record.

 

Has any other team had a streak of terrible first round picks as long as the Sox? They haven't taken an impact player since 1990.

[santo=dorf]

The Reds have been brutal. Kearns is OK, Bailey is making his debut this weekend but their impact player goes back to 1985

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/alltime/draft?team=cin

 

The Royals only have Mike MacDougal to show considering Alex Gordon hasn't shown anything at the MLB level and Grienke's head isn't on straight.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/alltime/draft?team=kan

 

Yankees only have Jeter, Milton and Carl Everett to show since 1990

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/alltime/draft?team=nyy

 

Red Sox haven't had anybody since 1994

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/alltime/draft?team=bos

 

As bad as the Pirates have been (losers since 1993) they have only had Jason Kendall as Benson and Malholm aren't much

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/alltime/draft?team=pit

[Kalapse]

So what you're saying is the Royals are the only team with a streak longer than the White Sox and 3 other teams are within 3 years of the White Sox currently streak of ineptitude.

 

The Royals are so god damn pathetic 10 top 10 picks (not including '05/'06/'07) over the past 20 years and only one real good player to show for it in Appier.

[GoodAsGould]

What he is saying is baseball drafts are different than nba/nfl where your going to expect to get an impact player in the 1st round. Outside of a select few in any draft and even those few it has to almost be a success for a draft pick to have any effect in the majors at all. You dont judge a team by the first round in baseball you draft it by all its rounds.

[CanOfCorn]

Don't know if this was posted, but Keith Law says this of the White Sox:

Best round overall

 

It's tough to compete with the Giants' haul; they had three picks and made the most of them, adding two big-time high school arms, including a guy with electric stuff (Tim Alderson) who fell because of his unorthodox delivery, as well as Fairley. Texas also did well with its two picks, and the White Sox got a nice high-risk/high-reward play with Aaron Poreda at No. 25 (probably picking Oakland's pocket in the process).

[WhiteSoxfan1986]

Chat transcript with BA's John Manuel

 

Steve from Las Vegas asks:

What can you tell me about the kid the White Sox picked in the First Round? I know I've read pre-draft reports and I sure don't remember him being in the 1st round projections anywhere, Was he a reach after Texas took Michael Main?

 

A: John Manuel: I'm an Aaron Poreda fan, love power LHPs who work off the fastball. Needs slightly more control, better breaking ball, but I'm a fan and don't consider him a reach.

[quickman]

whoa whoa whoa re-read my post - THE ANALYSTS said he could be as good as anyone in the draft, NOT POREDA himself.

 

jeez already give him a bad rap

 

first - Andy Sisco? We're calling him Andy now?

 

second - The analysts at the draft specifically mentioned poreda saying that he could be as good as any of the pitchers at the top of the draft.

 

 

Ok can you not see what your post said above. It doesn't say the analysts said it. You posted the analyst said he said it. Can't you see the difference? Just look at the box above above and read it out loud.

Edited June 8, 2007 by quickman

[quickman]

Actually, I think the majority of these guys picked will never make it. Now, my issue is two fold, the first is the Whitesox continue to seel the world on how great these guys are. I realize some of this is postering, and thats fine, but as the story goes the more times you call wolf eventually nobody believes.

 

Secondly with the track record of not only the sox but the majority of MLB teams I clearly do not undertand the grandstanding of members on this board who either buy into this nonsense that Kenny is selling or fall in love with these two bit players. My assumption and it surely has played out over the last couple of years is they all suck until they prove they are good, and currently not one of these dirt bags has proven they can play in the majors, so don't get all uptight when KW trades there sorry butts to other teams. Josh fields may have the best minor league talent but right now he has no major league talent at all and I realize he needs to play to get that, but lets not annoint him some great status when clearly he cannot play yet. i will take veterans over 20 year olds everyday until a 20 year old stands out.

Edited June 8, 2007 by quickman

[hitlesswonder]

Reasons why Poreda was a terrible choice:

1) The Sox went cheap and mediocre and let the Tigers draft the best HS pitcher in the draft. That's the strategy of a gutless, losing organization -- one that surrenders and admits that won't spend money like the big boys do. And remember, this isn't like signing a big-name free agent, it's a lot less money than that. Who here thinks the Sox will sign someone like Ichiro this offseason given that they won't pony-up for a draft pick?

 

2) You can bet Poreda doesn't throw 96 or even 94 regularly. Like virtually all the BA scouting reports, his regular velocity will be at least 2 MPH lower. And by the time the Sox development staff is done he'll be sitting at 91 MPH regularly.

 

3) The scouting reports say that he can't change his arm angle without losing his fastball. And he can't add a breaking ball with his current arm angle.

 

4) Look at the stats -- he can't strikeout people in college. Have fun trying to compete in the pros. He's like a lefty Gavin Floyd with great "stuff" and no results.

 

So, another craptastic draft. Pathetic....

[Heads22]

Never too early to declare this draft an unmitigated failure, I guess.

[False Alarm]

also from BA FWIW:

Q: Luke from Des Moines asks: With Rick Porcello, and to a greater extent Matt Harvey, slipping in the draft, what are the chances of UNC getting one or both of them?

 

A: John Manuel: The Tar Heels are in good shape; Porcello and Harvey are asking for a lot of money . . . I think both could end up at UNC and if I had to pick one with the better chance, I'd say Porcello.

[Palehosefan]