whitesoxfan101 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Tadahito Iguchi seems to be rising back towards his career averages as his batting average, which was .221 as we entered May, is now up to .257 and his on base this year is now .343, right about career average. He is hitting for NO power, so his slugging and OPS are still down a bit, but hey it's progress. Jim Thome is just a fun, fun hitter to watch and he came up with a HUGE hit to tie the game in the first place. Is this a guy we trade next month? He will turn 37 soon and has shown signs of slowly breaking down the last few years, and would bring a pretty penny back here. Josh Fields looked really good. 2 for 3 with 2 singles and a walk and run, including the single in the 8th that started the rally to tie it and get Jennings out of the game. He also looked better than I would expect overall at 3rd, even though he apparently should have had the ball hit to him to start the 9th. It at least LOOKED like to me he was fouling off and laying off sliders nicely too, until he got a pitch more to his liking. Luis Terrero is not anything great, but I've seen enough of him to conclude that he could be a very valuable guy off the bench for us whenever we get good again. He's young, cheap, and can do some things. Heck of a catch yesterday too, and that bunt single was a great idea. I would not be surprised in the least if Paul Konerko gets red hot very soon. I've noticed it a bit on TV, but watching him yesterday gave me the impression he is VERY close to getting on a hot streak. He just looks so so close to crushing it, even when he makes an out. Now i'm not going to go Hawk on everybody and say we're about to hit like hell, but Paulie is close. We've got ourselves, at least, our lefty specialist for a while in Boone Logan. I was right on the field yesterday so I had a good view, and with Logan's stuff, I have no idea how a lefty EVER hits him, so at least that is SOMETHING in the pen. To be the main reason why bases loaded 0 outs turned into only 1 run was Logan, and that meant Thome's hit still tied it. We HAVE TO keep Jon Garland here for a long time. He is about as smart a pitcher as I've seen this side of Greg Maddux, and has the kind of makeup and approach that tells me he could be a good (ie 3rd starter type) pitcher for a really long time. I love Buehrle, but if you put a gun to my head and said keep Buehrle or Garland here for a long time, I give Mark a Cardinals hat and send him south. Hey, it could be worse, we could be Cubs fans right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Jon Garland + Greg Maddux should never be in the same sentence. I agree about Iguchi and Thome (though we're not trading Thome, IMO -- I don't think he'd waive his NTC: besides, we need our big lefty bat). I'm surprised you have no criticism over Fields' should've-been-an-error yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Who are you and what have you done with Whitesoxfan101? Join the Boone Logan society, not only am I the president, I am also a client! QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 09:20 AM) Jon Garland + Greg Maddux should never be in the same sentence. what if the Sox are playing the Padres? Can we print "Jon Garland vs Greg Maddux"? Or should we just print "Jon Garland vs an ex Cub, Brave, and Dodger who is really good, much better than Jon Garland"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Yes, in response to the latter question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 (edited) Trust me, I am not NEARLY as negative as people think. It's just when I AM negative, I am so over the top that people want to kill me. And with Garland, I am talking about in terms of is cerebral approach only. He never pitches 2 guys the same way, it's just a lot of fun to watch, a la Maddux. A very poor man's Maddux is a better way to put it (although I figured by saying he's going to be a very good THREE starter for a while made that clear). Also, I am in on the Boone Logan society and on the Fields error turned hit by the scorekeeper, it looked to me like he got a pretty bad hop and it wasn't a really easy play or anything. He should have had it, but from my angle it didn't seem inexcuseable. He made a really nice start to the double play by Lee in the 9th to keep us within 1 at least. Edited June 10, 2007 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Garland only has three pitches. Only one of them is particularly good. He isn't the cerebral Greg Maddux. Not at all. PS: I'm sure there are plenty of people the same way, with negativity taken to the extreme but fairly normal in real life. COUGHtitoCOUGH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 09:29 AM) Garland only has three pitches. Only one of them is particularly good. He isn't the cerebral Greg Maddux. Not at all. I'm saying he is smart a lot like Maddux, that is all I'm saying. I know Garland's stuff, and I firmly believe it isn't good enough to be a very good pitcher (a la Garland the first 5 years of his career). But when you combine his brains and the stuff he DOES have like he's done as his career went on, he's pretty good. I'm just saying he's smart like Maddux which is the only reason he's any good. Again, I'm saying he'll be a good THREE starter for a long time, that's not a Maddux comparison. QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 09:31 AM) PS: I'm sure there are plenty of people the same way, with negativity taken to the extreme but fairly normal in real life. COUGHtitoCOUGH The only 2 things in life I'm negative about are sports and politics. And usually, my negativity in those regards are proven accurate. Plus, if your negative on ONLY those things, you have a lot of negative to get out on minimum subjects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 09:24 AM) Yes, in response to the latter question. LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 I'm not trying to badger you but I wonder what on Earth you're talking about with his "brains." The reason people talk about Maddux brains is twofold: he'd do things like give Craig Biggio a pitch that he was looking for in a certain count so he could homer just so that he can give him a different pitch in the playoffs in the same count + situation, just in case they happen to face each other. (I believe it was Biggio, or Bagwell.) Or he'd be "in your head with you" and throw you a changeup when you want a fastball or a curveball when you expect a changeup, etc. etc. You can't "outsmart" a hitter with one good pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 09:31 AM) Not at all.PS: I'm sure there are plenty of people the same way, with negativity taken to the extreme but fairly normal in real life. COUGHtitoCOUGH There is a difference in b****ing about how poorly your team is doing, and cheering on your team losing. A really big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 09:36 AM) There is a difference in b****ing about how poorly your team is doing, and cheering on your team losing. A really big difference. I have never cheered my team to lose. Ever. I have turned off games in disguist, and even laughed at how morbidly funny some of the s*** that happens to us this year is, but anybody that openly roots for a loss really should find a new team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 09:39 AM) I have never cheered my team to lose. Ever. I have turned off games in disguist, and even laughed at how morbidly funny some of the s*** that happens to us this year is, but anybody that openly roots for a loss really should find a new team. Thats why I try as hard as possible to not respond to tito in gamethreads. I dont think he is bad enough to warrant ignoring, but sometimes it seems he takes much pleasure in watching the team fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 09:34 AM) I'm not trying to badger you but I wonder what on Earth you're talking about with his "brains." The reason people talk about Maddux brains is twofold: he'd do things like give Craig Biggio a pitch that he was looking for in a certain count so he could homer just so that he can give him a different pitch in the playoffs in the same count + situation, just in case they happen to face each other. (I believe it was Biggio, or Bagwell.) Or he'd be "in your head with you" and throw you a changeup when you want a fastball or a curveball when you expect a changeup, etc. etc. You can't "outsmart" a hitter with one good pitch. That's precisely why I think he's a POOR MAN'S Maddux. He basically has 3 pitches and only 2 good ones (the change and moving fastball), yet hitters never seem too comfortable against him. To be a long time starter doing that and still be good has to be a testament to how smart a pitcher you are I would think. Now he's not Maddux smart and has not nearly his stuff, hence he's a 3 starter for life, but I'm just making a point of reference, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 I am in agreeance (not a word, but I don't care) on Jon Garland; he's the pitcher's version of Joe Crede, except I don't see Garland reverting to who he was pre-2005 anytime soon. I hope he's pitching for the Sox until he's Count's age (w/e you think that may be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Another positive is that Day has looked really good in his last few outings. In his first outing or so, his slider just swept with no real break. But now, he has that late breaking movement on it with that tilt. It is a nasty pitch to go along with his best pitch (IMO), his fastball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 At this point I guess all u can do is look for a few positives in individual players because as a team they are sucking badly. It's a sad sight to behold and I hope they can get healthy and turn it around. The Sox desperately need the MacDougal of old to reappear and for that matter the Dye and Konerko of old too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 08:34 AM) You can't "outsmart" a hitter with one good pitch. You can however be one of the best pitchers in baseball for over two years and running. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 10:53 AM) Another positive is that Day has looked really good in his last few outings. In his first outing or so, his slider just swept with no real break. But now, he has that late breaking movement on it with that tilt. It is a nasty pitch to go along with his best pitch (IMO), his fastball. Yeah, I'd have MUCH rather seen him come in for the 8th than Prinz. He's not being overused, I mean he did throw on Friday but that was only 16 pitches to get 4 outs and he hadn't pitched the 2 days before that. Hell, to be honest, Day is our best righty option other than Jenks right now, and should be treated as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 QUOTE(3E8 @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 11:29 AM) You can however be one of the best pitchers in baseball for over two years and running. Go figure. He's one of the best if you're going by wins solely, sure. I don't think he's top twenty if you're going by wins + other details, like Ks, WHIP, etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 10:55 AM) He's one of the best if you're going by wins solely, sure. I don't think he's top twenty if you're going by wins + other details, like Ks, WHIP, etc. etc. The only category he obviously is lacking in is Ks. That's it. But, he is not a strikeout pitcher, he pitches to contact. And the good thing about this is he doesn't need to go deep into many counts like strikeout pitchers obviously do. It allows him to throw less pitchers per innings and more innings per start than most. Since 2005, he ranks third in IP/GS among AL pitchers. Oh, and he is top 20 in WHIP in this time period. Also top 20 in BB9, and W/GS. Top 10 in these categories if you consider AL pitchers only. Pitcher w/ > 400 IP since 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 (edited) I am a big Garland fan. I definitely think he needs to be extended. He is a good pitcher, at least keeps his team in the game on a bad day. When he's hot, he's really good. He fields his position well and keeps baserunners honest. To go along with his attitude for ex, in spring training taking the minor league invites to play golf and pick his brain. If we fail to re-sign Buehrle, (hope not), he must be extended immediately. Hell even if we do re-sign Buehrle, he still needs to be extended. Edited June 10, 2007 by Whitewashed in '05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 All my trends continued today, other than Logan and Fields. Still, good to see this team has SOME positives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 03:37 PM) All my trends continued today, other than Logan and Fields. Still, good to see this team has SOME positives. Really? I didn't see the game but it would seem like Triple-A Day didn't do all that well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 04:51 PM) Really? I didn't see the game but it would seem like Triple-A Day didn't do all that well. It was me who mentioned Day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 D'oh. Either way he should be in AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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