Steff Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 09:21 AM) I agree with you. I know everyone will point to guys like Brandon and Brian, but there are also plenty of examples of him throwing guys into key situations, and giving them plenty of chances. They can point all they want. But be sure when they do that they also take into consideration their actions as well. Their demise with the Sox was not without their contribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 09:21 AM) I agree with you. I know everyone will point to guys like Brandon and Brian, but there are also plenty of examples of him throwing guys into key situations, and giving them plenty of chances. He's basically thrown guys right into the fire, and when they fail at first(most young players are going to fail right away) then they basically get thrown under the bus. And it seems like it's taken a whole week before he's got tired of Fields. Ozzie hasn't exactly proven that he can be patient with young players and if we're going to rebuild, he's going to have to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 09:28 AM) He's basically thrown guys right into the fire, and when they fail at first(most young players are going to fail right away) then they basically get thrown under the bus. And it seems like it's taken a whole week before he's got tired of Fields. Ozzie hasn't exactly proven that he can be patient with young players and if we're going to rebuild, he's going to have to learn. Josh Fields isn't ready to be in the majors yet. It doesn't matter how many lumps he takes, until he fixes his swing, it will be the same results. QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 09:25 AM) They can point all they want. But be sure when they do that they also take into consideration their actions as well. Their demise with the Sox was not without their contribution. No doubt, if you go out and play hard everyday, and listen to the staff, they will protect you to the ends of the earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 09:44 AM) Josh Fields isn't ready to be in the majors yet. It doesn't matter how many lumps he takes, until he fixes his swing, it will be the same results. I wont argue that but if he's up here, he needs to play. Sitting him on the bench is only going to slow down his progression. He wasn't brought up here to sit on the bench and by Ozzie's recent comments, that might be exactly what is going to happen soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 09:44 AM) Josh Fields isn't ready to be in the majors yet. It doesn't matter how many lumps he takes, until he fixes his swing, it will be the same results. Well someone needs to prove their job then. If he cant fix the vets then the least he can do is to fix Fields. I suspect by the end of the year Fields will be hitting 290 with the best hitting coach in baseball helping him everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 09:28 AM) He's basically thrown guys right into the fire, and when they fail at first(most young players are going to fail right away) then they basically get thrown under the bus. And it seems like it's taken a whole week before he's got tired of Fields. Ozzie hasn't exactly proven that he can be patient with young players and if we're going to rebuild, he's going to have to learn. Every time Ozzie has given up on a player he's been right. If he gives up on Fields, I'm guessing he'll be right about Fields as well. Ozzie was the only person with the Sox who thought Terrero was better than Anderson and he's been right about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 09:49 AM) I wont argue that but if he's up here, he needs to play. Sitting him on the bench is only going to slow down his progression. He wasn't brought up here to sit on the bench and by Ozzie's recent comments, that might be exactly what is going to happen soon. Gonzalez isn't going to play everyday. Its obvious this was a motivational shot towards Fields. Ozzie does this stuff all of the time. Unless Fields is a complete idiot, he is going to be playing at least 5 days a week. hell he played Anderson for months before he finally benched him, and that was dispite all of the extra crap going on behind the scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 If Ozzie loses his job because his team was the worst in baseball this year, I think I'll hate KW and JR, especially if the replacement is someone like Razor Shines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 10:03 AM) If Ozzie loses his job because his team was the worst in baseball this year, I think I'll hate KW and JR, especially if the replacement is someone like Razor Shines. Shines as manager might just be enough to keep my money in the bank... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 10:03 AM) If Ozzie loses his job because his team was the worst in baseball this year, I think I'll hate KW and JR, especially if the replacement is someone like Razor Shines. The irony is under JR, he has given three people who have been Manager of the Year with the Chicago White Sox, their first jobs. I wonder how many ownership groups can say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Ozzie is a special type of manager. He's Tony LaRussa with a mouth and there's nothing wrong with that. I love it. If we won't keep Ozzie as our manager, someone else will take him and we'll be stuck with crap for years and years. Again. I know everybody hates their manager, especially when they're losing, but any move to replace Guillen would be foolish. He IS the White Sox to the average fan; he loves the White Sox; he knows baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted June 14, 2007 Author Share Posted June 14, 2007 I'm no Ozzie apologist and this year for the first time ever I started thinking about the team without him and what that would be like (and this from a guy who wanted him here 100% and loved KW for hiring him). But back up here. We have veteran players like Konerko, A.J., Uribe, Gooch and Dye (and Thome) and they have sucked ass now for at least a month, two months and arguably since last July. What exactly is Ozzie supposed to do? I've seen him try and be tough, be soft, be funny... but these men are paid millions to HIT THE DAMN BALL and they cannot even do that. How is that his fault? Or the bullpen situation? Who is he supposed to go to after seven innings? Jenks? Sorry, but right now I put almost all the blame where it belongs: on the core players. They look fat, slow and uninterested. I'd rather watch the entire team be replaced with AAA who at least TRY then watch the fading glory of '05 get trampled by their lifelessness. I think we can all agree that we'd be more forgiving if it at least seemed like we were taking tough losses but fighting them out, but we are lambs. We lay down and die. There's only so much a manager can do. The only thing that irks me right now is Fields. Play the damn kid already. We have nothing to lose at this point. To be jerking him around back and forth like that... we'll never KNOW if he's ready because there's no consistency. Although if Ozzie's been right-on about our young guys not being ready, then this all comes down to one person: KW. If KW can't supply a bullpen and can't supply callups to get the job done regardless of the manager, then get rid of him, dammit. Oh and another thing: I can just PICTURE if we cut Ozzie as the fall guy, him going somewhere else and turning into, as somebody mentioned above, the next Tony LaRussa. I can just SEE it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 03:12 PM) Ozzie is a special type of manager. He's Tony LaRussa with a mouth and there's nothing wrong with that. I love it. If we won't keep Ozzie as our manager, someone else will take him and we'll be stuck with crap for years and years. Again. I know everybody hates their manager, especially when they're losing, but any move to replace Guillen would be foolish. He IS the White Sox to the average fan; he loves the White Sox; he knows baseball. I say this respectfully for the man, but Ozzie cares too much about winning to handle a rebuilding situation. He takes the losses so hard now, and it likely won't get too much better over the next few years. I'll gladly accept him as our manager if he can prove that he's willing to deal with the struggles of a young player so that they can prove they belong in the majors. Rebuilding with this organization won't be easy due to the horrendous development of our prospects. QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 03:05 PM) Shines as manager might just be enough to keep my money in the bank... Not a fan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 10:22 AM) I say this respectfully for the man, but Ozzie cares too much about winning to handle a rebuilding situation. He takes the losses so hard now, and it likely won't get too much better over the next few years. I'll gladly accept him as our manager if he can prove that he's willing to deal with the struggles of a young player so that they can prove they belong in the majors. Rebuilding with this organization won't be easy due to the horrendous development of our prospects. Not a fan? re: bold -- me neither. She isn't, obviously. Ozzie can deal wth rebuilding, I'm sure. It's different when you're rebuilding and know it than when you're defending a world title and your starting CFer has a crap swing and crap approach and you have no real alternatives except for Mackowiak which sucks, too, but you've got to get a bat somewhere. Rebuilding this team would suck for any Manager, what with our crap system and coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 10:22 AM) Not a fan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 10:36 AM) How can you not be a fan of a guy named Razor Shines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Me either... I agree with fathom, LVSoxFan, and GP on this one... this isn't Ozzie's fault, but he has to realize that these guys aren't "winners" anymore... the vets are stinking up the place, and then laughing it off... enough already. It's time to cut your losses and move on, but the minor system is in shambles, and Ozzie knows it. That's why he's impatient: he knows the cupboard's pretty much bare. QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 03:42 PM) How can you not be a fan of a guy named Razor Shines? Because he's an arrogant horses' ass? Oh, maybe I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 10:47 AM) Because he's an arrogant horses' ass? Oh, maybe I'm wrong. But his name is RAZOR SHINES. Cmon now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 10:47 AM) Because he's an arrogant horses' ass? Oh, maybe I'm wrong. ROTFLMAO!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why does everybody keep insisting that we didn't play small ball in 2005? //boggles Yeah we had home run power and won a lot of games that way, especially in the playoffs. But in the regular season? Come on... Because Ozzie said so himself. How many times have we gone over this with you? Do you own the Sox World Series DVD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 11:32 AM) Because Ozzie said so himself. How many times have we gone over this with you? Do you own the Sox World Series DVD? That team was a homerun hitting team but we certainly played a bit of small ball. We scored a crap load of first inning runs by Pods getting on base, stealing, Iguchi getting him over and then someone knocking him in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsox Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 02:01 PM) I haven't had a chance to watch any games recently, but when I read what he has to say - I feel like he's given up on the team. If that's the case, maybe the team should give up on him. If Ozzie's given up on the team, he would have stepped down as manager already. He's got too much pride to steal JR's money by packing it in himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Shameless Bump The Deathwatch seems to have started in Detroit too Shameless Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alk3kevin Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Ozzie is not a "special manager." A special manager would have some idea on how to handle his players and not give up on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 QUOTE(Craig Grebeck @ Jun 21, 2007 -> 01:21 PM) Ozzie is not a "special manager." A special manager would have some idea on how to handle his players and not give up on them. Oh, you got Ozzie real good there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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