This is why we have an illegal immigration problem.

[Texsox]

Can we use minimum security prisoners to do some of these jobs? Is that an option?

 

The only problem that seems to arise when we use prisoner labor is when it takes jobs away from honest citizens. In this case it would be taking jobs from illegals, and I could see that, if it was jobs that could be done behind prison walls.

[Texsox]

Wrong Again. Come on Tex. Quit dreaming.

 

Dont stop, thinking about tomorrow,

Dont stop, itll soon be here,

Itll be, better than before,

Yesterdays gone, yesterdays gone.

[hammerhead johnson]

I think that we need to keep them out at all costs, but first, we should give them back California, Texas, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, New Mexico, Colorado, and Wyoming.

[GoSox05]

I wish the people that were against "ilegal immigration" would just come out and admit that they just don't like mexicans. Its quite clear. We all know that if it was canadians coming in and not mexicans they wouldnt care.

 

There seems to be this angry agressive attitude in people that are all firey about it. I think it will lead to violence and other such means. Its just white america trying to keep it as white as can be.

 

Who are 99% of the people complaining about this. middle and upper class white america.

 

And besides all that. Get a f***in life and stop blaming other people for your problems.

[NorthSideSox72]

I wish the people that were against "ilegal immigration" would just come out and admit that they just don't like mexicans. Its quite clear. We all know that if it was canadians coming in and not mexicans they wouldnt care.

 

There seems to be this angry agressive attitude in people that are all firey about it. I think it will lead to violence and other such means. Its just white america trying to keep it as white as can be.

 

Who are 99% of the people complaining about this. middle and upper class white america.

 

And besides all that. Get a f***in life and stop blaming other people for your problems.

For some people, its racism. But there are also clearly some very real negative consequences for all involved when there is a constant stream of illegal immigrants into the country. Mexico is the focus, at least in part, because they are by far the biggest part of that problem.

 

And who exactly are you saying is blaming other people for their problems?

 

[kapkomet]

I wish the people that were against "ilegal immigration" would just come out and admit that they just don't like mexicans. Its quite clear. We all know that if it was canadians coming in and not mexicans they wouldnt care.

 

There seems to be this angry agressive attitude in people that are all firey about it. I think it will lead to violence and other such means. Its just white america trying to keep it as white as can be.

 

Who are 99% of the people complaining about this. middle and upper class white america.

 

And besides all that. Get a f***in life and stop blaming other people for your problems.

I won't say what I want to, because I'd have to ban myself. I will say this, though. Get a f***ing clue.

 

[Texsox]

I wish the people that were against "ilegal immigration" would just come out and admit that they just don't like mexicans.

 

A little harsh, and totally untrue for most Americans. But there is a sliver of truth in there. People are more comfortable around people like themselves. Canadians speak English and enjoy a better education system. Mexicans speak Spanish and their education system is lacking at best. They will sleep ten to a room and work 20 hours a day everyday to earn a living.

 

But I don't believe for a minute that SS or Kaps (for example) well thought out positions are racially motivated.

[sox4lifeinPA]

A little harsh, and totally untrue for most Americans. But there is a sliver of truth in there. People are more comfortable around people like themselves. Canadians speak English and enjoy a better education system. Mexicans speak Spanish and their education system is lacking at best. They will sleep ten to a room and work 20 hours a day everyday to earn a living.

 

But I don't believe for a minute that SS or Kaps (for example) well thought out positions are racially motivated.

 

the city of montreal just collectively shat themselves....

[kapkomet]

the city of montreal just collectively shat themselves....

 

Parle vous Frances?

 

(I'd do the accents and all of that, but bah).

 

 

[hammerhead johnson]

But there are also clearly some very real negative consequences for all involved when there is a constant stream of illegal immigrants into the country.

 

Yep, I might have to get a taurus instead of a benz. Could you imagine?

[Texsox]

the city of montreal just collectively shat themselves....

 

They still haven't succeeded?

 

picky picky.

[GoSox05]

I won't say what I want to, because I'd have to ban myself. I will say this, though. Get a f***ing clue.

 

 

Say it. I'm not gonna get offended. If you don't like me say it.

[kapkomet]

Say it. I'm not gonna get offended. If you don't like me say it.

My comments to you aren't available for public consumtion regarding the trash you posted. It's just pure trash and nothing else needs to be said, other then get a f***ing clue like I told you the first time. It has nothing to do with YOU, it has to do with your ignorant post.

[GoSox05]

For some people, its racism. But there are also clearly some very real negative consequences for all involved when there is a constant stream of illegal immigrants into the country. Mexico is the focus, at least in part, because they are by far the biggest part of that problem.

 

And who exactly are you saying is blaming other people for their problems?

 

 

I'd say that middle to upper class white americans have blamed other people for their problems. There always talking about how mexicans did this or black people do this. Not all are like that, but a good amount.

[kapkomet]

I'd say that middle to upper class white americans have blamed other people for their problems. There always talking about how mexicans did this or black people do this. Not all are like that, but a good amount.

Oh come on... you are stereotyping all over the place.

 

I'd say middle to upper class white Americans work their asses off, make an honest living every day, and go home and spend time with their families... and very few have "problems", and if they do, they sure as hell don't blame "mexicans" or "black" people. Your comments are just absolutely baseless.

 

[GoSox05]

My comments to you aren't available for public consumtion regarding the trash you posted. It's just pure trash and nothing else needs to be said, other then get a f***ing clue like I told you the first time. It has nothing to do with YOU, it has to do with your ignorant post.

 

 

I don't get how it's ignorant. It's being honest. White people in this country who complain non stop about immigration don't like mexicans or at least don't like them living near them. At least have the nerves to come out and and admit it. I'm not saying that everyone is, but a good amount of people are.

[kapkomet]

I don't get how it's ignorant. It's being honest. White people in this country who complain non stop about immigration don't like mexicans or at least don't like them living near them. At least have the nerves to come out and and admit it. I'm not saying that everyone is, but a good amount of people are.

Bulls***. Those who "complain" want the problem fixed without making them American Citizens on a free pass. That's about it. Let them stay, on a worker's program, but don't give them citizenship. That's my stance anyway.

 

 

[NorthSideSox72]

I'd say that middle to upper class white americans have blamed other people for their problems. There always talking about how mexicans did this or black people do this. Not all are like that, but a good amount.

um... no.

 

In fact, I have heard very few people of any race or class ever say anything like that. There are some, but they are the small minority, in my experience.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

White people in this country who complain non stop about immigration don't like mexicans

And with that right there, you have lost all credibility.

 

If you had said that SOME people feel that way, it would be accurate. To say it in a broad statement like that, or even to call it a "good amount", is just assinine.

 

[GoSox05]

And with that right there, you have lost all credibility.

 

If you had said that SOME people feel that way, it would be accurate. To say it in a broad statement like that, or even to call it a "good amount", is just assinine.

 

when by "good amount". I mean good amount of people who are active against immigration. Not of the general population.

[kapkomet]

when by "good amount". I mean good amount of people who are active against immigration. Not of the general population.

That's not true, either.

 

I don't care where these people are from (Mexico, Canada, Britian, Europe, Africa, Asia), they need to get here legally. That's it.

[GoSox05]

That's not true, either.

 

I don't care where these people are from (Mexico, Canada, Britian, Europe, Africa, Asia), they need to get here legally. That's it.

 

 

Of course legal is the way to go. I think that should be the way. I just don't like peoples attitudes about people who come here ilegally. There just poor people trying to better there lives. You have people saying we should "round" them up and so forth. I really don't think that Ilegal immigration is that serious of a problem anyway.

[NorthSideSox72]

Of course legal is the way to go. I think that should be the way. I just don't like peoples attitudes about people who come here ilegally. There just poor people trying to better there lives. You have people saying we should "round" them up and so forth. I really don't think that Ilegal immigration is that serious of a problem anyway.

Not paying taxes is stealing from the government. At the very least, they are committing theft, probably grand theft. That's not even to mention the security issues, health issues, etc. It may not effect you directly, but it surely costs you money, and it costs some people a lot more.

 

[Balta1701]

Of course legal is the way to go. I think that should be the way. I just don't like peoples attitudes about people who come here ilegally. There just poor people trying to better there lives. You have people saying we should "round" them up and so forth. I really don't think that Ilegal immigration is that serious of a problem anyway.

Here even I have to disagree, and I'll do so on the behalf of the immigrants themselves.

 

Think about the conditions these people are enduring (the ones who are actually crossing the southern border and not the 1/2 of them or so overstaying Visas). They are crossing the border either in the middle of the desert or stuffed somewhere into vehicles. They are taking work with employers who are willing to break the law. And then they are essentially totally at the mercy of those employers, because those employers could have them deported by tipping off the authorities. They work with no protection. There are no labor laws, no workplace protections that protect them. They can be put in the harshest conditions, sweatshops, no health care, and even wind up dead, because they aren't protected by the law from their employers.

 

No one in good conscience can possibly defend a system which allows people to work and live without the protection of the law.

[GoSox05]

Here even I have to disagree, and I'll do so on the behalf of the immigrants themselves.

 

Think about the conditions these people are enduring (the ones who are actually crossing the southern border and not the 1/2 of them or so overstaying Visas). They are crossing the border either in the middle of the desert or stuffed somewhere into vehicles. They are taking work with employers who are willing to break the law. And then they are essentially totally at the mercy of those employers, because those employers could have them deported by tipping off the authorities. They work with no protection. There are no labor laws, no workplace protections that protect them. They can be put in the harshest conditions, sweatshops, no health care, and even wind up dead, because they aren't protected by the law from their employers.

 

No one in good conscience can possibly defend a system which allows people to work and live without the protection of the law.

 

 

Well its not like there coming over here from castles to work like that. They have it just as bad in nothern Mexico, I'd say worse. Towns like Juarez, where an estimated 268 women have been killed since 1993 and slave labor, rape and other such atrocites are the normal. This do to NAFTA.

 

So we should be pointing the finger at employers, not people trying to escape a harsh reality for the chance to not have that.

 

So why don't we resverse things like Nafta and spend some money to help build econmy in northern Mexico. We spent billions of dollars on a country half way around the world. We can spend money on one right next to us.

Edited August 7, 2007 by GoSox05