Gregory Pratt Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines With the White Sox struggling, trade rumors are floating around baseball, many of them involving free-agents-to-be Mark Buehrle and Jermaine Dye. So does Buehrle, the longest-tenured Sox pitcher who has the staff's lowest earned-run average and a no-hitter already this season, see himself gone? "Yes and no," he said. "I can see why I would be, the way we are playing and the baseball side of it. But then again, I want to spend my whole career here and hopefully I won't [get traded]." The latest rumor has Dye and Buehrle going to the Mets for prospects, which doesn't seem likely at this time. "It's exactly what it is," Buehrle said. "It's rumors." While Buehrle reiterates he wants to remain with the only organization he has known, general manager Ken Williams admits there is little chance of that happening because Buehrle wants a five-year contract. "We're not going to go down the road to talk about this because we established early on in the season [that] we were done talking about that," Williams said. "We made our best overtures and right now we'll just have to revisit that at the end of the season." Williams also said he would not trade Buehrle out of desperation or for monetary reasons, even if the Sox continue to struggle. If it were up to me, Dye would go and Buehrle+Gooch would probably stay. Of course if it had been up to me we would've never extended Vazquez, Crede + Dye would've been dealt last offseason and probably a few other guys, too, though I'm sure I'd have dealt off those guys. Whatever, though. I am having trouble believing that Buehrle won't be here next year. It's really sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 If he wants a five year contract, give it to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Bye bye to Dye and Contreras. I'll take 5 years of those Mark Buehrle's please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 12:59 AM) Bye bye to Dye and Contreras. I'll take 5 years of those Mark Buehrle's please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 5 years, $75M. Done deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 01:08 AM) 5 years, $75M. Done deal. Bingo. He'll I'd go 80. Edited June 19, 2007 by WHarris1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 01:08 AM) 5 years, $75M. Done deal. QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 01:09 AM) Bingo. He'll I'd go 80. Getting rid of Dye and Count is 17 million dollars right there. I wouldn't be mad at all at 5/85. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 01:59 AM) If he wants a five year contract, give it to him. Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 19, 2007 Author Share Posted June 19, 2007 So we all riot if Buehrle isn't dealt OR re-signed, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 The Sox have 10 players under guaranteed contracts for next season which tallies about $64M total. Subtract Contreras at $10 and you're at $54, add Buehrle and you're back up to about $70M with 15 spots to fill and about $25-$30M to spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Come on - he deserves it. 5 years for 75-85 - hell yes you do that. He is a top of the rotation starter. He has proven to be very durable. You don't let guys like that walk. Get what you can for Dye, Iguchi, and Contreras. Sign Ichiro to replace Dye, plug in Richar for Iguchi, Fields for Pods, say goodbye to Erstad and get Rowand in CF, and whatever rook (possibly Billingsley if you get him for Dye) for Contreras. WTF is the problem there? RF Ichiro CF Rowand 1B Konerko DH Thome LF Fields C AJ 3B Crede SS Eckstein? 2B Richar Buehrle Garland Vazquez Danks Billinglsey, Massett, Floyd... Jenks I don't have a clue after Jenks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 I really don't think Eckstein is anything more than a second baseman at this point in his career, his arm has reached Juan Pierre status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 19, 2007 Author Share Posted June 19, 2007 That's an awful lineup, Southside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 01:29 AM) That's an awful lineup, Southside. It's also about $98-$100M worth of players right there before including the bench and bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 19, 2007 Author Share Posted June 19, 2007 Ichiro really does pay for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 I would give him 3 years guaranteed and two options that could become guaranteed if he reached a certain amount of goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 03:09 AM) I would give him 3 years guaranteed and two options that could become guaranteed if he reached a certain amount of goals. It doesn't work like that. His agent would politely decline and they would file for free agency. He either gets 5 years, or he walks. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(knightni @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 02:12 AM) It doesn't work like that. His agent would politely decline and they would file for free agency. He either gets 5 years, or he walks. Simple as that. Well, let him walk. I don't believe in giving pitchers not of elite caliber huge deals. Also, I should add that I have a feeling that if Buehrle isn't traded, come free agency, Buehrle will turn down the White Sox offer to him and sign a similar contract with the Cardinals, and he will be forever hated afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 03:19 AM) Well, let him walk. I don't believe in giving pitchers not of elite caliber huge deals. Also, I should add that I have a feeling that if Buehrle isn't traded, come free agency, Buehrle will turn down the White Sox offer to him and sign a similar contract with the Cardinals, and he will be forever hated afterwards. You do realize that Buehrle and Garland are two of the youngest mlb pitchers right now with the most career wins, right? http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/W_active.shtml 15. Tim Wakefield (40) 158 R 16. Brad Radke (34) 148 R 17. Bartolo Colon (34) 146 R Aaron Sele (37) 146 R 19. Scott Erickson (39) 142 R 20. Steve Trachsel (36) 139 R Rank Player (age) Wins Throws 21. Mike Hampton* (34) 138 L 22. Tom Gordon (39) 131 R 23. Kirk Rueter* (36) 130 L 24. Pedro Astacio (37) 129 R Jon Lieber (37) 129 R 26. Livan Hernandez (32) 128 R Jason Schmidt (34) 128 R 28. Woody Williams (40) 127 R 29. Kevin Millwood (32) 126 R 30. Tim Hudson (31) 125 R 31. Terry Mulholland* (44) 124 L 32. Esteban Loaiza (35) 123 R Hideo Nomo (38) 123 R 34. Jeff Fassero* (44) 121 L 35. Matt Morris (32) 118 R 36. Freddy Garcia (32) 117 R 37. Chan Ho Park (34) 113 R Jeff Suppan (32) 113 R 39. Russ Ortiz (33) 110 R 40. Barry Zito* (29) 108 L Rank Player (age) Wins Throws 41. Derek Lowe (34) 107 R 42. Roy Oswalt (29) 105 R 43. Ismael Valdez (33) 104 R 44. Mark Mulder* (29) 103 L Javier Vazquez (30) 103 R 46. Wilson Alvarez* (37) 102 L Roy Halladay (30) 102 R 48. Mark Buehrle* (28) 101 L 49. Chris Carpenter (32) 100 R 50. Shawn Estes* (34) 99 L 51. Rick Helling (36) 93 R 52. Kelvim Escobar (31) 91 R Darren Oliver* (36) 91 L 54. C.C. Sabathia* (26) 90 L Brett Tomko (34) 90 R 56. Jose Lima (34) 89 R 57. Paul Byrd (36) 88 R Jarrod Washburn* (32) 88 L 59. Matt Clement (32) 87 R Eric Milton* (31) 87 L Rank Player (age) Wins Throws 61. Cal Eldred (39) 86 R Jon Garland (27) 86 R Edited June 19, 2007 by knightni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 02:19 AM) Well, let him walk. I don't believe in giving pitchers not of elite caliber huge deals. Also, I should add that I have a feeling that if Buehrle isn't traded, come free agency, Buehrle will turn down the White Sox offer to him and sign a similar contract with the Cardinals, and he will be forever hated afterwards. Mark Buehrle is about the most consistant pitcher out there, and at times, can be dominant. With the market as high as it is right now, and with the team struggling, letting Mark Buehrle go will lose you a lot of fans and a lot of games. And knightni only backs up my sentiments. See above post. Put Mark Buehrle in the NL, or on the Yankees/Angels/Red Sox and he wins 20+ games every year. Edited June 19, 2007 by SoxFan1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 02:15 AM) Well, let him walk. I don't believe in giving pitchers not of elite caliber huge deals. well, what the hell do you exactly consider a career ERA of 3.80, an ERA+ of 122, and probably the most durable pitcher in the majors? Just good? Buehrle is undoubtedly a top 30 pitcher in the majors, and that would be what I would consider elite. You damn well better give Buehrle 5 years, and if you have to, you include 2 vesting options for a 6th and 7th years. Buehrle really has found the way around making the Sox look like the good guys in this; if he leaves, the Sox are the villains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Buehrle and Dye to the Mets? Milledge, Martinez, Pelfrey and Humber please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 (edited) Oh did I forget ERA? 1. Pedro Martinez (35) 2.806 R 2. Greg Maddux (41) 3.084 R 3. Roy Oswalt (29) 3.087 R 4. Roger Clemens (44) 3.104 R 5. Johan Santana* (28) 3.196 L 6. Randy Johnson* (43) 3.219 L 7. John Smoltz (40) 3.262 R 8. Kevin Brown (42) 3.275 R 9. Roberto Hernandez (42) 3.369 R 10. Carlos Zambrano (26) 3.401 R 11. Curt Schilling (40) 3.448 R 12. Tom Glavine* (41) 3.487 L 13. Tim Hudson (31) 3.516 R 14. Bob Wickman (38) 3.569 R 15. Mike Timlin (41) 3.571 R 16. Barry Zito* (29) 3.596 L 17. Mike Mussina (38) 3.659 R 18. Roy Halladay (30) 3.660 R 19. Kerry Wood (30) 3.676 R 20. Matt Morris (32) 3.755 R Rank Player (age) ERA Throws 21. Derek Lowe (34) 3.760 R 22. Andy Pettitte* (35) 3.781 L 23. A.J. Burnett (30) 3.786 R 24. Ben Sheets (28) 3.790 R 25. Al Leiter* (41) 3.802 L 26. Mark Buehrle* (28) 3.804 L Take out last year's aberration, he's top 12. Edited June 19, 2007 by knightni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 01:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's an awful lineup, Southside. It's a rough draft. Please help me out and fill some holes. I was trying to think of less expensive good value guys to enable the Sox to retain the services of Buehrle and also get Ichiro. Please help. QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ichiro really does pay for himself. I totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 03:32 AM) It's a rough draft. Please help me out and fill some holes. I was trying to think of less expensive good value guys to enable the Sox to retain the services of Buehrle and also get Ichiro. Please help. I say we raid Japan, Cuba and Mexico for relievers in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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