southsider2k5 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Wow Mark has really compromised here to come down to five years. He could easily get 6-7 on the open market, and probably will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 I say sign the man and let him retire as a Sox player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Get a deal done, I don't care what you have to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 I had a bad feeling when he was not the opening day starter. I hope this contract situation doesn't go the same way. KW needs to relook his 3-yr contract policy for pitchers. I understand where he is coming from, but it should only apply to new pitchers to the organization. He already knows what he will get from guys like Mark and Jon. Why not lock them in now to market rates and after 3 years you will have a couple of bargains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 This article, and the one in the Sun-Times, really encourage me about the situation in that we know what Buehrle is thinking. Remember after he joked that he'd like to play for the Cardinals, then was grilled and said he'd want to spend his career with the Sox and then maybe go to St. Louis for his twilight years? Looks like he's sticking by that sentiment. It appears he can be had on the free agent market for 5 years - $90 million. Konerko took $5 million less ($1 million per year) to stay here instead of go to Baltimore or Anaheim. Buehrle might be willing to do the same type of thing -- he proposed to his wife on a hunting stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 07:53 AM) I had a bad feeling when he was not the opening day starter. I hope this contract situation doesn't go the same way. KW needs to relook his 3-yr contract policy for pitchers. I understand where he is coming from, but it should only apply to new pitchers to the organization. He already knows what he will get from guys like Mark and Jon. Why not lock them in now to market rates and after 3 years you will have a couple of bargains. It's not a KW policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 I also agree we get it done. I don't have to point out the numbers it's been done already. Even more so important is his consistency and attitude. He's going to give you pretty much the same thing every five days. That consistency is a big thing for the players. I think they all go out there feeling better about the game that day when Mark is pitching. I think they feel better in the field and better at the plate. They're ready to go. The other important factor is Mark's influence on the young pitchers coming up. You can't quantify that with money. He is exactly the type of pitcher you want the young guys to be around. If there is ever an exception to the 3 yr pitchers contract rule...Mark is it. Just get it the f*** done!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxMatt Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(knightni @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 02:33 AM) I say we raid Japan, Cuba and Mexico for relievers in the offseason. Okajima was signed by Boston to help Dice-K adapt here and he has had a fast start 2-0 1.04 ERA 4 saves 35 19 H 9 BB 31 Ks 4 runs allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Buerhle and Garland are guys you build a franchise around. We choose to do it with Contrearas and Vazquez because they were cheap. If our minor league system didn't suck so bad we would actaully have a bright future to build around Thome and Konerko. Last night was a prime example of what happens when your leadoff hitter gets on more than once a week. I would like to keep all of the starters and fill in the line-up with hitters getting 3-5M each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Phil Rogers finally made a great point last night, and that's when he said that with Vazquez and Contreras signed until 2010/2009, the Sox back-end of the rotation is going to be expected to be their front-end very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(AirScott @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 07:56 AM) This article, and the one in the Sun-Times, really encourage me about the situation in that we know what Buehrle is thinking. Remember after he joked that he'd like to play for the Cardinals, then was grilled and said he'd want to spend his career with the Sox and then maybe go to St. Louis for his twilight years? Looks like he's sticking by that sentiment. It appears he can be had on the free agent market for 5 years - $90 million. Konerko took $5 million less ($1 million per year) to stay here instead of go to Baltimore or Anaheim. Buehrle might be willing to do the same type of thing -- he proposed to his wife on a hunting stand. IIRC, Konerko did not take less to come here than any of the other offers. On the surface it appeared to be so and was definitely good PR, but when you consider taxes on all of the offers, they came out to be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(vandy125 @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 09:30 AM) IIRC, Konerko did not take less to come here than any of the other offers. On the surface it appeared to be so and was definitely good PR, but when you consider taxes on all of the offers, they came out to be the same. I believe there was 1 less year offered with the Sox than the Angels... I may be wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 If this miserable season has any bright spots it would have to be the pitching of Buehrle, Garland and Danks. As much as he might be able to bring in return via prospects, I think the Sox would be very foolish not to resign Buehrle. Someone mentioned that Ichiro pays for himself. I think with his personality, the no-hitter, his WS save, etc., Mark Buehrle has become a guy that people specifically pay to watch and makes it easier for the Sox to market themselves to their fan base. I would not be surprised if average attendance in Buehrle's starts is better than every other starter on the team, especially after the no-no. The guy is a White Sox product and has performed well just about every step of the way. I am tired of the Sox continuing to cite the Jaime Navarro debacle when letting pitchers walk over a year or two extra on the contract. I know it is a business and the process needs to be given time to work itself out, but they need to give him what he is asking. It is not unreasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 I can't add anything other than get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 I would of rather have thrown bags and bags of money at Buerhle for 5 years than pay Javy a cent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 08:51 AM) I would of rather have thrown bags and bags of money at Buerhle for 5 years than pay Javy a cent. Those Javy and Jose extensions look really dumb right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 09:53 AM) Those Javy and Jose extensions look really dumb right now. Don't be so sure. Those are players that are now under contract for multiple years. That is something opposing clubs are very fond of--proven pitchers under a contract already set in stone. Those contracts have value in and of themselves. If Buehrle is looking for 5 years from the White Sox, you simply have to do it. If Buehrle will accept $15M for 5 years, you race to the checkbook and make it happen. Now, with these sentiments public, the White Sox will feel considerable heat bringing him back for only 5 years. The heat just got turned up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Sign him. Absolutely. I love Buehrle and he's the one Sox player I'm having trouble letting go. Anybody else, fine. But he's worth it. NOTE TO BOARD: if we resign him I will, that week, go and buy a Buehrle jersey (which I've wanted for a long time)--the vest one (the only one I'm missing). So they can put that $150 towards his payroll, LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 09:02 AM) Sign him. Absolutely. I love Buehrle and he's the one Sox player I'm having trouble letting go. Anybody else, fine. But he's worth it. NOTE TO BOARD: if we resign him I will, that week, go and buy a Buehrle jersey (which I've wanted for a long time)--the vest one (the only one I'm missing). So they can put that $150 towards his payroll, LOL. Yeah, same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 10:00 AM) Now, with these sentiments public, the White Sox will feel considerable heat bringing him back for only 5 years. The heat just got turned up. Somehow I don't think Kenny gives a crap how hot it gets. Recall back in Feb when Kenny spilled the beans when he was caught saying sic "we've accepted Mark wont be here next year...", followed by an apology to Mark and his parents, followed further by a(nother) yelling match at the Saturday Q&A..... I don't know why this fan base will be surprised if nothing happens with Mark, or with the rest of the team in terms of competing for another WS ring anytime soon. The writing was posted pretty clear on the wall at Soxfest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 09:10 AM) Buerhle and Garland are guys you build a franchise around. We choose to do it with Contrearas and Vazquez because they were cheap. If our minor league system didn't suck so bad we would actaully have a bright future to build around Thome and Konerko. Last night was a prime example of what happens when your leadoff hitter gets on more than once a week. I would like to keep all of the starters and fill in the line-up with hitters getting 3-5M each. I agree that we should do anything to keep Garland and Buerhle, they can be 1-2 starters for years to come. I dont think we got Vasquez and Count that cheap though. I think Count is pretty much shot and Vasquez is too inconsistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 10:07 AM) Somehow I don't think Kenny gives a crap how hot it gets. Recall back in Feb when Kenny spilled the beans when he was caught saying sic "we've accepted Mark wont be here next year...", followed by an apology to Mark and his parents, followed further by a(nother) yelling match at the Saturday Q&A..... I don't know why this fan base will be surprised if nothing happens with Mark, or with the rest of the team in terms of competing for another WS ring anytime soom. The writing was posted pretty clear on the wall at Soxfest. ^^^ The writing has been on the wall for a long time. It is a smart move by Mark to play the game and make himself look good, but he has been all but gone for a while now. The reason guys like Contreras and Vazquez got extentions is because they know Mark isn't coming back, and they want to have at least a couple of known quantities in their pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Didn't Jerry approach Mark and ask him that before he signed somewhere this off season that he give the sox a chance to consider matching the offer? And Mark agreed to it, IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zygoat Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 01:24 AM) Come on - he deserves it. 5 years for 75-85 - hell yes you do that. He is a top of the rotation starter. He has proven to be very durable. You don't let guys like that walk. Get what you can for Dye, Iguchi, and Contreras. Sign Ichiro to replace Dye, plug in Richar for Iguchi, Fields for Pods, say goodbye to Erstad and get Rowand in CF, and whatever rook (possibly Billingsley if you get him for Dye) for Contreras. WTF is the problem there? RF Ichiro CF Rowand 1B Konerko DH Thome LF Fields C AJ 3B Crede SS Eckstein? 2B Richar Buehrle Garland Vazquez Danks Billinglsey, Massett, Floyd... Jenks I don't have a clue after Jenks. Crede is cooked, there's no way he'll remain with the organization after this year. As much as it hurts me to say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Funny how they wont reward someone thats been a "special" player that eats innings and keeps you in games. He should get the 5 years-giving it to him doesnt mean they have to give it to everybody. This is nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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