What is Mark Buerhle worth?

[southsider2k5]

So lets hear what you guys would give Mark Buehrle as a final offer if you had the Chicago White Sox checkbook...

 

How many years and how many dollars would you spend?

[RME JICO]

I chose 5yr/$16 million which would be 5/80. The Sox could either front load or back load it to their pleasure. I don't see them going much over that value.

[WSoxMatt]

I voted 5 yrs 17-18 mil

[WCSox]

Anything more than 5/80 is out of the question, IMO.

[AirScott]

I chose 5yr/$16 million which would be 5/80. The Sox could either front load or back load it to their pleasure. I don't see them going much over that value.

I agree with that. Zito is getting $18 per, but he's got a Cy Young in his cabinet and his H/9 have generally been lower. Buehrle's control is better, though.

[Kalapse]

It depends on what they're planning on spending in payroll next season. If it's somewhere in the mid 80's then Buehrle probably needs to be dealt before the break. If it's somewhere in the mid 90's then $15M a year is probably doable. An $85M payroll with Buehrle taking up $15-$18M of that just isn't going to work, I don't think you can field a competetive team under those circumstances.

[Kalapse]

I agree with that. Zito is getting $18 per, but he's got a Cy Young in his cabinet and his H/9 have generally been lower. Buehrle's control is better, though.

2004 to Date.

 

113 GS | 10 CG | 49-34 W-L | 772 IP | 5.5 K/9, 1.8 BB/9 | 1.17 HR/9 | 3.00 K/BB | 3.89 ERA | 1.27 WHIP

 

117 GS | 00 CG | 47-41 W-L | 746 IP | 6.5 K/9, 3.7 BB/9 | 1.07 HR/9 | 1.73 K/BB | 4.09 ERA | 1.34 WHIP

 

Who's who?

[WSoxMatt]

Buehrle is on top, the 10 CGs give it away!!!

Edited June 19, 2007 by WSoxMatt

[Milkman delivers]

There's no choice for "trade Buehrle because we're not going to re-sign him."

[southsider2k5]

There's no choice for "trade Buehrle because we're not going to re-sign him."

 

That defeats the whole purpose. The whole idea is to see what people are willing to offer, and then see if the market bears that out.

[Rowand44]

I chose 5yr/$16 million which would be 5/80. The Sox could either front load or back load it to their pleasure. I don't see them going much over that value.

This sounds fair for both parties imo. Obviously Mark would be able to get more on the free agent market but 5 and 80 is still a very solid offer.

[BearSox]

If this years martket is going to be anything like last years, I highly doubt 5 years at 75-80 mil would get it done. Comparing him to Zito, I would guess that he would get somewhere between 6-7 years worth around 100-115 million. This is if he keeps up what he has been doing this season.

[The Beast]

How about a deal like this?

 

5 years, 86 million.

 

08' '09 '10 '11 '12

14, 16, 18, 18.5, 19.5

 

Would JR walk in and deal with one of his players without KW involved? I'm just curious.

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

There's no choice for "trade Buehrle because we're not going to re-sign him."

The Sox can still sign Buehrle even after they trade him. They'll just have to wait until November.

[Pants Rowland]

An $85M payroll with Buehrle taking up $15-$18M of that just isn't going to work, I don't think you can field a competetive team under those circumstances.

 

Can you field a competitive team without Mark? How about without Mark and with Jose and Javy in the rotation? I believe the Sox will remain competitive for years if they hang onto Buehrle, Garland and Danks for as long as possible. Those two veterans are going to continue to provide stability and leadership while Danks is really showing the guts and smarts to have a nice career in baseball barring injuries. They might not be as talented or overpowering as the Braves staffs of the 90s, but they are all still very young and would keep the Sox in contention year in and year out. I contend in the long run the Sox can not afford to let Buerhle leave. It will cost them far more in intangibles that will result in poorer sales at the gate.

[CanOfCorn]

Can you field a competitive team without Mark? How about without Mark and with Jose and Javy in the rotation? I believe the Sox will remain competitive for years if they hang onto Buehrle, Garland and Danks for as long as possible. Those two veterans are going to continue to provide stability and leadership while Danks is really showing the guts and smarts to have a nice career in baseball barring injuries. They might not be as talented or overpowering as the Braves staffs of the 90s, but they are all still very young and would keep the Sox in contention year in and year out. I contend in the long run the Sox can not afford to let Buerhle leave. It will cost them far more in intangibles that will result in poorer sales at the gate.

 

 

I agree with you whole heartedly...until the poorer sales at the gate.

 

I might even add Vazquez as your #4 starter. Buehrle, Garland, Danks and Vazquez is a pretty good rotation.

[dasox24]

Buehrle is on top, the 10 CGs give it away!!!

That's what I was thinking too. If all he had shown was that stat, I would've known.

 

And I agree that 5/80 is perfect. 5/100? No chance.

[knightni]

KW better not show his face at the '08 Soxfest if he deals Buehrle for Gavin Floyd/Andy Sisco project guys.

[DBAHO]

Great article here from Phil Rogers on the situation;

 

Don't the White Sox realize what they have in Mark Buehrle?

 

If Buehrle isn't the second coming of Billy Pierce, he's the most consistently effective pitcher the South Siders have had in the 46 years since Ed Short traded Pierce to the San Francisco Giants. He's in his eighth big-league season and is somehow only 28, which is one year older than Pierce was in 1954 when he finished his eighth season in the big leagues.

Was Pierce washed up at 28?

 

Well, sure, if you consider an 86-57 record, a 3.01 ERA and an average of 241 innings over the next five years as being washed up, he was some kind of washed up. All Pierce would do after his eighth season was win another 132 games, including two 20-victory seasons and 14 victories for the Sox in 1959, the last year they won a pennant before Buehrle did his part—and more—to bring off the 2005 parade.

 

If you're a White Sox fan, imagine how you are going to feel watching Buehrle win 20 games and pitch in a World Series somewhere else. How are you going to feel when he makes three or four trips to the All-Star Game in another uniform?

 

You can ask your neighbor the Cubs fan how he liked watching Greg Maddux every October with Atlanta.

 

No, Buehrle isn't Maddux. There's only one. But Buehrle is a pretty reasonable facsimile of one of Maddux's teammates. What's the difference between Buehrle and the 28-year-old version of Tom Glavine, really?

 

Glavine won 108 games in his first eight seasons; Buehrle is at 100 and counting.

 

So what did Glavine do in his ninth, 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th seasons?

 

You would say he was a shadow of himself, except that he went 79-41 with a 3.13 ERA while working 227 1/3 innings per season. And he won "only" one Cy Young Award.

 

What if the Braves had let Glavine leave after his eighth year, when he was 28 years old? Even though they had Maddux and John Smoltz, they would have missed Glavine dearly. Heck, they hated seeing him go when he was 37 and had given Atlanta 16 seasons.

 

Teams are lining up to pounce on Buehrle, and there has been no indication the White Sox are going to come to their senses about letting him explore free agency after the season.

 

On Monday, shortly after Buehrle told reporters that he wants to spend "my whole career here," Sox general manager Ken Williams maintained his hard-line stance on paying market price to keep the World Series hero.

 

"We're not going to go down the road to talk about this because we established early on in the season we were done talking about that," Williams said. "We made our best overtures and right now we'll just have to revisit that at the end of the season."

 

Uh, Ken, won't Buehrle already be somewhere else by the end of the season? The way the White Sox have played, looking a lot more like Kansas City than Detroit or Cleveland, it would be foolish for Williams to turn down a significant trade offer for Buehrle and wind up with only two draft picks when he signs elsewhere, as Williams well knows.

 

Williams also knows his boss, Jerry Reinsdorf, doesn't believe in giving pitchers long-term contracts. The actuary tables (and Jaime Navarro) tell him it's too big a risk. But the Sox are missing the point with Buehrle, who in every way imaginable qualifies to be an exception to the rule.

 

Is he durable? Yes. Is he responsible? Yes. Is he liked by his teammates? Yes. Is he left-handed? Yes. Is he good with fans and the media? Yes. Has he come up big in big games? Yes.

 

What else is there?

 

Oh, yes, is he willing to work cheap?

 

That's the one area in which he's not Reinsdorf's kind of guy.

 

Buehrle could set his numbers alongside those of Barry Zito and expect his agent to land him a contract similar to Zito's seven-year, $126-million deal with San Francisco. If that's the case, then the White Sox probably can't stop him from chasing the last dollar, not when he's this close to free agency. But the shame of this situation is the White Sox haven't given Buehrle any real chance to stay.

 

The Sox owe it to their fans and to Buehrle to give him a legitimate offer. Before the July 31 trade deadline, they need to put a deal on the table that would be tough to turn down—call it five years, $75 million, without any of the Reinsdorfian fine print—and let the world know that they have made it.

 

If that's not what Buehrle is looking for, then Williams probably should look at him as a movable asset. But to trade your franchise's most consistent pitcher in 40 years without taking a run at signing him is no way to get back to the World Series. It's stupid, to put it plainly.

 

When the White Sox and Buehrle decided not to address his contract during spring training, the situation was muddled by how poorly Buehrle had pitched in the second half of last season.

 

He has put those questions behind him, throwing a no-hitter and turning in a rotation-best 3.45 ERA so far. How can Williams and Reinsdorf let him go without finding out if he really does want to stay?

[southsider2k5]

So it seems like 5 years 80 million is the concensus... Now will people be OK if Mark leaves for more money and years?

[Rowand44]

Now will people be OK if Mark leaves for more money and years?

I'm going to be sad no matter what if Mark leaves. Now, if you're talking about just being mad at Mark for taking more money, I'd only be angry if he left for like 5 and 85 instead of 5 and 80 or something like that. I don't ever blame players for leaving for a considerable amount of more money, unless of course they b**** out the organization or something like that.

[southsider2k5]

I'm going to be sad no matter what if Mark leaves. Now, if you're talking about just being mad at Mark for taking more money, I'd only be angry if he left for like 5 and 85 instead of 5 and 80 or something like that. I don't ever blame players for leaving for a considerable amount of more money, unless of course they b**** out the organization or something like that.

 

I'm talking about mad at the Sox and/or Kenny Williams

[Rowand44]

I'm talking about mad at the Sox and/or Kenny Williams

Eh, I'm always mad at them.

[GoSox05]

The Sox not signing Mark will cost them in wins and butts in the seats. If they trade him they better hope the players they get, turn out to be real good.

[quickman]

So lets hear what you guys would give Mark Buehrle as a final offer if you had the Chicago White Sox checkbook...

 

How many years and how many dollars would you spend?

 

 

he won't be hear so it doesn't matter. he is gone to me. Time to move on.