Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 I don't remember what the 10/5 rule is. It's either 10 years in the league and 5 with the same team, or 10 years in the league OR 5 with the same team. I am leaning towards the former, so I don't think he could veto a trade. arent those the same thing.. 10 years and 5 with the same team????..... you stated that twice or am i reading that wrong.............its 10 years in the league and 5 with the same team......robbie no longer has that option....but its what is in his contract that counts.. funny thing some players actually put in there where they wont go and where they will be willing to go.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 arent those the same thing.. 10 years and 5 with the same team????..... you stated that twice or am i reading that wrong.............its 10 years in the league and 5 with the same team......robbie no longer has that option....but its what is in his contract that counts.. funny thing some players actually put in there where they wont go and where they will be willing to go.... Yeah, if it's 10 AND 5 instead of 10 OR 5, he's SOL, unless he has a limited no-trade clause, which like you said a lot of players have in which they list a few teams that they would accept a trade to (typically these teams are either contending teams or teams that are geographically attractive to the player). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 arent those the same thing.. 10 years and 5 with the same team????..... you stated that twice or am i reading that wrong.............its 10 years in the league and 5 with the same team......robbie no longer has that option....but its what is in his contract that counts.. funny thing some players actually put in there where they wont go and where they will be willing to go.... Its 10 in the league but at least 5 with the same team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Its 10 in the league but at least 5 with the same team. didnt i just say that ....lol....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iguana Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 didnt i just say that ....lol....... so is it 10 in the league and 5 with the same team?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 so is it 10 in the league and 5 with the same team?? Only if you have been in the league 5 years with the same team and at least 10 years in the league... Hooked on Phonics worked for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 lmao.. geez us............what you guys wont do for a ha ha ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 If you're trading the BEST starting pitcher in the major leagues, you better ask for more than Todd Walker and a crappy outfielder. If I'm trading E-Lo to the BoSox, I'm asking for Hanley Ramirez, Kevin Youkilis, and at least two other prospects. Anton French is going to be good, cerb. And since we have no true CF, why dont we trade an overachieving starter for him and a decent secondbaseman, which is another position were weak at? It sounds good to me. Loaiza is an overachiever this year. Im glad hes doing so but hes going to come back to earth sooner or later... Give me a break, French is garbage. His K:BB ratio is atrocious for a "lead-off man", and his OBP is merely mediocre for AAA. Also, he's 27 freaking years old. You're insane in you'd do that trade. Again, I'm asking for Hanley Ramirez, Kevin Youkilis, as well as two other prospects for Loaiza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted June 30, 2003 Author Share Posted June 30, 2003 I didnt know how old French was. Sorry. Could you tell me more about Ramirez and Youkilis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Hanley Ramirez is a potential five-tool shortstop who has a huge ceiling to grow. COuld be risky, but definetly worth it; rated better than B.J. Upton. Has some disciplinary issues. Kevin Youkilis is a walk machine. As Paul DePodesta put it, he is Ecuilis, the Greek God of walks. Right now he is hitting .296 with a .470+ OBP. He has 61 walks in 223 ABs, only 33 SO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 If you're trading the BEST starting pitcher in the major leagues, you better ask for more than Todd Walker and a crappy outfielder. If I'm trading E-Lo to the BoSox, I'm asking for Hanley Ramirez, Kevin Youkilis, and at least two other prospects. Anton French is going to be good, cerb. And since we have no true CF, why dont we trade an overachieving starter for him and a decent secondbaseman, which is another position were weak at? It sounds good to me. Loaiza is an overachiever this year. Im glad hes doing so but hes going to come back to earth sooner or later... Give me a break, French is garbage. His K:BB ratio is atrocious for a "lead-off man", and his OBP is merely mediocre for AAA. Also, he's 27 freaking years old. You're insane in you'd do that trade. Again, I'm asking for Hanley Ramirez, Kevin Youkilis, as well as two other prospects for Loaiza. You're right. Everyone wants Youkilis, many refer to him as the "God of walks." I don't think the Red Sox are interested in moving him though. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPinStripes Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Yes, yes, yes. I know. I have no credibility. I am insane. I should be castrated with laser technology and shot with a double barrel shotgun. Well save it. This post is not an angry post. I have nothing against Loaiza. I love what hes done for this team this year. But more can be had by trading him while his value is high. If you wait and he comes back to earth, you just lost a great opportunity to pick up loads of talent. So lets trade him while we can. As Brutus said in the famous Shakespearean play "Julius Caesar", "its not that I loved Caesar less, but that I loved Rome more". Well, its not that I love Loaiza less, but that I love the Sox more. Heres my proposed trade, actually, two trades: TRADE #1 ChiSox get: Todd Walker Anton French BoSox get: Esteban Loaiza Joe Borchard TRADE #2 ChiSox get: Kris Benson Pirates get: D'angelo Jiminez In trade number one, Boston gets Loaiza. This finishes a decent but not great Boston rotation. They also get Joe Borchard, who we of course all know as a very talented young outfielder. We get Todd Walker. Walker gives us a good defensive second baseman. Hes also a lefty with decent power. Then we get Anton French. French is a natural CF, and he has speed and good BA. The perfect leadoff man. Ill go over to espn to try to find out more about him. In trade number two, the Pirates get Jiminez. They have no second baseman. Jeff Reboulets holding it up for crying out loud. Jiminez, even tho he has some defensive flaws, will take over there (he is, afterall, better than what they have) and provide them with a leadoff hitter after Lofton leaves. We get Kris Benson. A young and talented pitcher whos been struggling and hit by injury, but he has been and should be good. Maybe trade number two needs some help tho, so please, if you have any suggestions, take a shot. But no angry posts please, I have tried to be completely logical. I just think so much good could come from trading Loaiza... You suck Roman. The Sox have a team option on him for next year and he's cheap. Keep him! And i dont want our gm making any trades unless we have to especially since you and KW think alike at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted July 1, 2003 Author Share Posted July 1, 2003 I dont think anything like KW. I hate him. Hes hates Frank and I hate him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 I dont think anything like KW. I hate him. Hes hates Frank and I hate him... JOIN the KW hating club BE GOOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Hooked on Phonics worked for me... ME toooooooooooooo BE GOOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 I'm sick of talking about trading guys who are producing. Trade prospects who will never pan out for Roberto alomar or better yet, Beltran when the Royals are ready to ship him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 I dont think anything like KW. I hate him. That's not the song you were singing when MB turned down that great contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 You suck Roman. The Sox have a team option on him for next year and he's cheap. Keep him! And i dont want our gm making any trades unless we have to especially since you and KW think alike at times. Since we won the last 6 out of 8 series and tied the 7th, let's trade away our best pitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted July 1, 2003 Author Share Posted July 1, 2003 We could get so much more than we have by trading him. Hes going to come down sooner or later so lets trade him while he has some value... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 We could get so much more than we have by trading him. Hes going to come down sooner or later so lets trade him while he has some value... Keep dreaming that a MLB team out there is going to mortgage their farm system for Loaiza's services . Only one GM would consider doing that and he already has Loaiza on his roster. And speaking of his value, it's doubtful that Loaiza or any other pitcher for that matter is going to put up numbers like Loaiza has during the first half of '03..... so if his second half is near .500 with a 3 or 4 ERA don't come screaming to these boards, "I told you so," because it doesn't mean s***. He got it done for us in the first half of '03 when no one else we had could. And, if by some hellified pitching, Loaiza is able to win 11 or 12 more in the second half, you'd be advocating trading away an AL Cy Young Award shoo-in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Roman you are not the devil, but why not just enjoy the players who are producing? And how do you feel about Mark B now? I haven't seen all your posts. You been giving him some kudos? Roman smell the roses. We're winning. Keep Esteban and enjoy his magical season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 We could get so much more than we have by trading him. Hes going to come down sooner or later so lets trade him while he has some value... By that logic we should throw Frank in also... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 By that logic we should throw Frank in also... LMFAO !!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning Ugly Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Keep Esteban and enjoy his magical season. Amen! And let's kill this thread while we're at it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 I can't see giving up on E-Lo. Didn't he add a pitch this year? He m,ay just be a late bloomer capable of 15 wins for the enxt couple of years. I would really like to see Mark, Bart, and E-Lo for the next 3-4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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