Rex Hudler Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 No idea, maybe someone from Colorodo? That GM gave us Pacheco for Sandy Alomar, even though Colorodo wasn't even close to contending. That move had no logic to it what-so-ever. CWSOX45 Pacheco was not highly regarded. Even this year, when the season started he was considered bullpen filler and was not seen as a key guy on the Barons staff. He was borderline making the Barons or going back to Winston-Salem from what I understand. Obviously, he has changed some opinions with a very impressive year so far. But Colorado needed a catcher and Pacheco was not considered a prospect, so the trade was not that bad at the time. The Sox didn't even expect what they got from him so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 The Padres won't give him up unless we give them some of our young talent, Towers isn't an idiot. He's probably ask for Jeremy Reed or Cotts or something like that. CWSOX45 Cotts isnt that great. Im not a minors expert but I believe hes has no control. If its Lawrence, a proven MLBer, for Cotts, a minor leaguer with no control, Ill take Lawrence. Reed could be good but hes still not a proven MLBer like Lawrence is... roman, don't kid yourself..... watch Cotts pitch once or twice and then tell me he doesn't have top of the rotation stuff....... Brian Lawrence could certainly become a good MLB pitcher, but why would San Diego want to trade a young, cheap pitcher with lots of upside?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 I wouldn't chance that straight-up. We could try a huge move and bring Giles over with Benson. A deal like Loaiza, Lee, Jimenez for Benson and Giles or something like that. Help me out I can't think of any other deal for Giles. We tried to get Giles once before and got stuck with only Todd Ritchie. With what we gave up, we should have gotten Giles too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 I'm not so sure why the need for this thread. We are finally playing well and everyone wants to make a trade. I don't have a problem with trying to better yourself, but why try to come up with wacky trades from out in left field? If a guy becomes available, and he makes sense, then fine. But let's let this team play and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Guys are available. Obviously you can get most of the NY Mets. Giles has been linked to the Yankees. Castillo is out of Fla if they cannot climb any higher in the NL East. Ponson is being shopped, although O's seem to want an awful lot. If we could get Alomar or Castillo, I'd be happy taking that team into October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 I'm not so sure why the need for this thread. We are finally playing well and everyone wants to make a trade. I don't have a problem with trying to better yourself, but why try to come up with wacky trades from out in left field? If a guy becomes available, and he makes sense, then fine. But let's let this team play and see what happens. I agree, no reason to trade Elo whatsoever...unless we're talking about Giles/Guerrero/Suzuki-typer player. And knowing KW, there is no way he will rip people off in a large-scale trade... (Elo was indeed pretty flat today, but he still managed to pitch as well as Colon and Wright did....combined , in terms of pitch quality, Alou homer excepted.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Oh, I wouldn't trade him either. Only guys I would trade are Konerko and Rios no problem. I don't think we need to trade the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Only guys I would trade are Konerko and Rios no problem Konerko has no value whatsoever, something that us only amplified by persistent rumours of his hip/back condition. Let's face it: Sox need him to build on what he started in 1999- he had the prettist, quickest swing of any RH prospect baseball, and only seemed to get better 1st half last year. The something terrible happened.... He needs to find his mojo and then this team will be a FORCE to reckon with. Can you imagine the effect it would have on the entire team if Kong comes back from the dead? All of the sudden, Hurt/Maggs/Lee/Valentin/Dayber wouldn't feel the need to carry the team, more line-up protection, etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Konerko has no value whatsoever, something that us only amplified by persistent rumours of his hip/back condition. Let's face it: Sox need him to build on what he started in 1999- he had the prettist, quickest swing of any RH prospect baseball, and only seemed to get better 1st half last year. The something terrible happened.... He needs to find his mojo and then this team will be a FORCE to reckon with. Can you imagine the effect it would have on the entire team if Kong comes back from the dead? All of the sudden, Hurt/Maggs/Lee/Valentin/Dayber wouldn't feel the need to carry the team, more line-up protection, etc.... yeah and lets bring back Lamar Hoyt to his cy young level.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Konerko has no value whatsoever, something that us only amplified by persistent rumours of his hip/back condition. Let's face it: Sox need him to build on what he started in 1999- he had the prettist, quickest swing of any RH prospect baseball, and only seemed to get better 1st half last year. The something terrible happened.... He needs to find his mojo and then this team will be a FORCE to reckon with. Can you imagine the effect it would have on the entire team if Kong comes back from the dead? All of the sudden, Hurt/Maggs/Lee/Valentin/Dayber wouldn't feel the need to carry the team, more line-up protection, etc.... yeah and lets bring back Lamar Hoyt to his cy young level.... If there's coke, anything is happenable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 I'm not so sure why the need for this thread. We are finally playing well and everyone wants to make a trade. I don't have a problem with trying to better yourself, but why try to come up with wacky trades from out in left field? If a guy becomes available, and he makes sense, then fine. But let's let this team play and see what happens. Really the odds of any of this happening are remote at best. But, playing GM is kind of fun, and it does open conversation. So, at times when I read a thread like this I think "WTF", it's still worthwhile if for nothing but pure entertainment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 I agree, no reason to trade Elo whatsoever...unless we're talking about Giles/Guerrero/Suzuki-typer player. And knowing KW, there is no way he will rip people off in a large-scale trade... (Elo was indeed pretty flat today, but he still managed to pitch as well as Colon and Wright did....combined , in terms of pitch quality, Alou homer excepted.) You're right. Our rotation is looking pretty damn good right now, there is no reason to trade on of our aces when we are contending. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 I can dream, can't I? Now Mike Cameron is another story altogether...his numbers would go up at the Cell versus Safeco and his money even from the 6th spot...he can run and play D, with the best of them and is relatively cheap. Mariners are contending, they won't give us Cameron unless we give them something they need in return.....which is basically....NOTHING. The Mariners are the best team in baseball right now and probably have no interest in trading Cameron back to the Sox. CWSOX45 Besides Ichiro, the Mariners have aging Roid Boonem, Olerud and Edgar who can break down at any time....their bullpen is shaky and with Moyer being 41 and their best pitching prosect basicvally cooked, they have NOONE to step in other than Piniero and maybe Garcia....The are the biggest over-achievers in baseball, it makes me sick. They will need players past this season...tho not likely, a fair deal for Mike is possible. I suppose you're right, but I don't feel comfortable with Kenny trading with Gillick. We'd end up giving away a lot more than we'd probably receive. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 While we're all still hatin' on D'Angelo (still like 3rd on the team in OBP), WHO THE f*** PLAYS SECOND BASE? Ray Dur.... Whoops.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 While we're all still hatin' on D'Angelo (still like 3rd on the team in OBP), WHO THE f*** PLAYS SECOND BASE? And please, don't say Aaron Miles because if you still don't get it, check out his walks/at bats. I think 2nd base is the spot we need to strengthen now. Harris, although speedy and talented is not hitting and shows no sign of being a hitter yet. I don't see Jimenez as the answer either and am losing faith and patience with him. I see him as a super sub just like Graffy is used. Alomar might be a great fellow, but is on the downside of his career so if we did go after him we shouldn't give up any young talent. I think Roberto is batting about .260 with 2 homers. Heck, D'Lo is batting better than that powerwise anyway. I like Miles and the reports we get on him. He is aggressive and brings spark to a line up. As far as walks taken are concerned think about Ozzie Guillen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 If you're trading the BEST starting pitcher in the major leagues, you better ask for more than Todd Walker and a crappy outfielder. If I'm trading E-Lo to the BoSox, I'm asking for Hanley Ramirez, Kevin Youkilis, and at least two other prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Todd Walker used to be considered a defensive liability. Any trade talk with Boston has to begin and end with Sanchez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 While we're all still hatin' on D'Angelo (still like 3rd on the team in OBP), WHO THE f*** PLAYS SECOND BASE? And please, don't say Aaron Miles because if you still don't get it, check out his walks/at bats. I think 2nd base is the spot we need to strengthen now. Harris, although speedy and talented is not hitting and shows no sign of being a hitter yet. I don't see Jimenez as the answer either and am losing faith and patience with him. I see him as a super sub just like Graffy is used. Alomar might be a great fellow, but is on the downside of his career so if we did go after him we shouldn't give up any young talent. I think Roberto is batting about .260 with 2 homers. Heck, D'Lo is batting better than that powerwise anyway. I like Miles and the reports we get on him. He is aggressive and brings spark to a line up. As far as walks taken are concerned think about Ozzie Guillen. Couple things..... As far as walks are concerned, if a guy hits.320, who the hell cares. If he hits .270 then that is a big difference. If Miles is to get the chance, due to his lack of walks, he will have to hit and hit well. .270 won't cut it. Not saying Alomar is the answer and I have never been a huge fan of his, but getting him out of that hellhole called New York and the Mets might do him some good. Reuniting him with his brother can't hurt either. But what you do get with Alomar is defense as well. He has the ability to not only help at 2B but to make other guys better. I don't think he would be a bad addition, but I am not sure he is the right one, when you take money into account as well as other factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 While we're all still hatin' on D'Angelo (still like 3rd on the team in OBP), WHO THE f*** PLAYS SECOND BASE? And please, don't say Aaron Miles because if you still don't get it, check out his walks/at bats. I think 2nd base is the spot we need to strengthen now. Harris, although speedy and talented is not hitting and shows no sign of being a hitter yet. I don't see Jimenez as the answer either and am losing faith and patience with him. I see him as a super sub just like Graffy is used. Alomar might be a great fellow, but is on the downside of his career so if we did go after him we shouldn't give up any young talent. I think Roberto is batting about .260 with 2 homers. Heck, D'Lo is batting better than that powerwise anyway. I like Miles and the reports we get on him. He is aggressive and brings spark to a line up. As far as walks taken are concerned think about Ozzie Guillen. Couple things..... As far as walks are concerned, if a guy hits.320, who the hell cares. If he hits .270 then that is a big difference. If Miles is to get the chance, due to his lack of walks, he will have to hit and hit well. .270 won't cut it. Not saying Alomar is the answer and I have never been a huge fan of his, but getting him out of that hellhole called New York and the Mets might do him some good. Reuniting him with his brother can't hurt either. But what you do get with Alomar is defense as well. He has the ability to not only help at 2B but to make other guys better. I don't think he would be a bad addition, but I am not sure he is the right one, when you take money into account as well as other factors. if he hits .270 here, he will be our top hitter....lol ok thats a bit out of line but very close to our top..... it surely is alot better than what most of our guys are doing right now...... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 oh and just in case you thought i was seriously joking...heres our updated stats... notice no ones over .300.......well except for josh paul and hes gone now lol...... M Ordonez CWS OF 79 295 43 83 19 2 12 43 142 30 38 6 2 .355 .481 .281 2. C Lee CWS OF 78 293 38 79 17 0 12 48 132 20 52 8 2 .323 .451 .270 3. D Jimenez CWS 2B 73 271 35 69 11 5 7 26 111 32 46 4 3 .332 .410 .255 4. J Crede CWS 3B 75 266 23 61 11 0 6 30 90 13 40 0 1 .271 .338 .229 5. J Valentin CWS SS 73 258 37 61 17 2 11 33 115 34 58 4 2 .323 .446 .236 6. F Thomas CWS DH 75 253 40 71 18 0 17 38 140 57 55 0 0 .425 .553 .281 7. P Konerko CWS 1B 69 211 16 39 8 0 3 17 56 20 23 0 0 .260 .265 .185 8. M Olivo CWS C 59 168 21 39 11 0 5 16 65 12 30 1 2 .286 .387 .232 9. T Graffanino CWS SS 42 119 24 29 8 0 4 10 49 15 25 3 0 .338 .412 .244 10. B Daubach CWS 1B 50 105 13 25 8 0 2 11 39 16 27 1 0 .344 .371 .238 11. A Rios CWS OF 41 95 4 22 3 0 2 11 31 5 10 0 1 .267 .326 .232 12. A Rowand CWS OF 38 88 8 19 4 0 3 12 32 4 13 0 0 .274 .364 .216 13. W Harris CWS OF 27 87 6 16 1 0 0 3 17 2 18 4 1 .202 .195 .184 14. S Alomar CWS C 29 80 9 20 4 0 1 8 27 3 2 0 0 .277 .338 .250 15. J Borchard CWS OF 16 49 5 9 1 0 1 5 13 5 18 0 1 .246 .265 .184 16. J Paul CWS C 13 17 6 6 0 0 0 4 6 3 3 0 0 .450 .353 .353 17. M Buehrle CWS P 2 6 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 3 0 0 .167 .167 .167 18. B Colon CWS P 2 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 .000 .000 .000 19. E Loaiza CWS P 2 5 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 .200 .200 .200 20. J Garland CWS P 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 .333 .000 .000 21. D Wright CWS P 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 22. T Gordon CWS P 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 23. B Koch CWS P 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 24. D Marte CWS P 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 25. D Sanders CWS P 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted June 30, 2003 Author Share Posted June 30, 2003 I was thinking about bringing up a trade for Alomar in this threads original post but I noticed he wasnt hitting so well this year. Then again, the Mets are a crappy team so his lack of RBIs is probably just the result of no other good offensive players. I think if we brought him here to play second, he could greatly improve on those numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted June 30, 2003 Author Share Posted June 30, 2003 If you're trading the BEST starting pitcher in the major leagues, you better ask for more than Todd Walker and a crappy outfielder. If I'm trading E-Lo to the BoSox, I'm asking for Hanley Ramirez, Kevin Youkilis, and at least two other prospects. Anton French is going to be good, cerb. And since we have no true CF, why dont we trade an overachieving starter for him and a decent secondbaseman, which is another position were weak at? It sounds good to me. Loaiza is an overachiever this year. Im glad hes doing so but hes going to come back to earth sooner or later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 While we're all still hatin' on D'Angelo (still like 3rd on the team in OBP), WHO THE f*** PLAYS SECOND BASE? And please, don't say Aaron Miles because if you still don't get it, check out his walks/at bats. I think 2nd base is the spot we need to strengthen now. Harris, although speedy and talented is not hitting and shows no sign of being a hitter yet. I don't see Jimenez as the answer either and am losing faith and patience with him. I see him as a super sub just like Graffy is used. Alomar might be a great fellow, but is on the downside of his career so if we did go after him we shouldn't give up any young talent. I think Roberto is batting about .260 with 2 homers. Heck, D'Lo is batting better than that powerwise anyway. I like Miles and the reports we get on him. He is aggressive and brings spark to a line up. As far as walks taken are concerned think about Ozzie Guillen. Couple things..... As far as walks are concerned, if a guy hits.320, who the hell cares. If he hits .270 then that is a big difference. If Miles is to get the chance, due to his lack of walks, he will have to hit and hit well. .270 won't cut it. Not saying Alomar is the answer and I have never been a huge fan of his, but getting him out of that hellhole called New York and the Mets might do him some good. Reuniting him with his brother can't hurt either. But what you do get with Alomar is defense as well. He has the ability to not only help at 2B but to make other guys better. I don't think he would be a bad addition, but I am not sure he is the right one, when you take money into account as well as other factors. Is Robbie allowed to veto any trades......because in that case the Mets may be more eager to deal him here because of Sandy and the family connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Is Robbie allowed to veto any trades.. i think he left that power behind in cleveburg.........dont think his new contract with the muts states any such thing.. besides, as i recall chicago was one on his list back in his tribe days.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 .. i think he left that power behind in cleveburg.........dont think his new contract with the muts states any such thing.. besides, as i recall chicago was one on his list back in his tribe days.......... I don't remember what the 10/5 rule is. It's either 10 years in the league and 5 with the same team, or 10 years in the league OR 5 with the same team. I am leaning towards the former, so I don't think he could veto a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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