WHITESOXRANDY Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 If I were Kenny Williams, I would trade Konerko, Thome, Mackowiack, Uribe, Pods, Erstad, A.J., Iguchi, Dye, Crede, Buehrle, Contreras, Garland, Vazquez, Jenks, Thornton and MacDougal between now and next season for as many top prospects as I could possibly get. What could they bring ? Maybe 3 top prospects each for Konerko, Garland and Vazquez. 2 each for Mark, Jenks, Thome, Contreras and A.J. One each for the rest. That's 25-30 top prospects. I'm thinking about 7 or 8 A-/B+ level prospects and probably 20 B / B-/C+ level prospects. This would give the Sox an interesting team for the fans to watch next year and get their farm system jump started so that within 2 years they could have serious depth and still begin playing competitive baseball. They save tons of payroll for the next 2 years and develop a handful of young stars. Then, add a few free agents and they could seriously contend in 2010. Plus, they will have 2 drafts in which they will have great position and no excuses - spend the money on draft picks and player development. That's really the only way that the Sox can build this team back up to a serious contender and an exciting team. They already have Danks, Gio, Floyd, Egbert and a few other good arms. They already have Fields and Sweeney. I say go for it. Would Kenny do it ? Would Jerry do it ? Would the fan base support it ? Yes, attendance would drop significantly next year but once Sox fans see our young Crawfords, Pabelbons, Rios, Verlanders, Lincecums, etc. - people will get excited and start coming out again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf_soxfan Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I'm game I love the Sox and will continue to support them through this season and beyond...but compared to my surrogate local team, the Oakland A's, who provide exciting young players EVERY year and are competitive EVERY year, it's clear the Sox will be unable to do this without seriously and thoroughly rebuilding the farm system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 11:47 AM) If I were Kenny Williams, I would trade Konerko, Thome, Mackowiack, Uribe, Pods, Erstad, A.J., Iguchi, Dye, Crede, Buehrle, Contreras, Garland, Vazquez, Jenks, Thornton and MacDougal between now and next season for as many top prospects as I could possibly get. And we are happy that you are not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 11:47 AM) If I were Kenny Williams, I would trade Konerko, Thome, Mackowiack, Uribe, Pods, Erstad, A.J., Iguchi, Dye, Crede, Buehrle, Contreras, Garland, Vazquez, Jenks, Thornton and MacDougal between now and next season for as many top prospects as I could possibly get. What could they bring ? Maybe 3 top prospects each for Konerko, Garland and Vazquez. 2 each for Mark, Jenks, Thome, Contreras and A.J. One each for the rest. That's 25-30 top prospects. I'm thinking about 7 or 8 A-/B+ level prospects and probably 20 B / B-/C+ level prospects. This would give the Sox an interesting team for the fans to watch next year and get their farm system jump started so that within 2 years they could have serious depth and still begin playing competitive baseball. They save tons of payroll for the next 2 years and develop a handful of young stars. Then, add a few free agents and they could seriously contend in 2010. Plus, they will have 2 drafts in which they will have great position and no excuses - spend the money on draft picks and player development. That's really the only way that the Sox can build this team back up to a serious contender and an exciting team. They already have Danks, Gio, Floyd, Egbert and a few other good arms. They already have Fields and Sweeney. I say go for it. Would Kenny do it ? Would Jerry do it ? Would the fan base support it ? Yes, attendance would drop significantly next year but once Sox fans see our young Crawfords, Pabelbons, Rios, Verlanders, Lincecums, etc. - people will get excited and start coming out again. Ladies and Gentleman, YOOOOOUUUUUURRRRR 2008 Chicago Devil Rays!!! Yeah, Randy...I'd have to agree, I'm glad you aren't KW. At least the team we have here HAS won something before. Edited June 26, 2007 by CanOfCorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 11:47 AM) If I were Kenny Williams, I would trade Konerko, Thome, Mackowiack, Uribe, Pods, Erstad, A.J., Iguchi, Dye, Crede, Buehrle, Contreras, Garland, Vazquez, Jenks, Thornton and MacDougal between now and next season for as many top prospects as I could possibly get. What could they bring ? Maybe 3 top prospects each for Konerko, Garland and Vazquez. 2 each for Mark, Jenks, Thome, Contreras and A.J. One each for the rest. That's 25-30 top prospects. I'm thinking about 7 or 8 A-/B+ level prospects and probably 20 B / B-/C+ level prospects. This would give the Sox an interesting team for the fans to watch next year and get their farm system jump started so that within 2 years they could have serious depth and still begin playing competitive baseball. They save tons of payroll for the next 2 years and develop a handful of young stars. Then, add a few free agents and they could seriously contend in 2010. Plus, they will have 2 drafts in which they will have great position and no excuses - spend the money on draft picks and player development. That's really the only way that the Sox can build this team back up to a serious contender and an exciting team. They already have Danks, Gio, Floyd, Egbert and a few other good arms. They already have Fields and Sweeney. I say go for it. Would Kenny do it ? Would Jerry do it ? Would the fan base support it ? Yes, attendance would drop significantly next year but once Sox fans see our young Crawfords, Pabelbons, Rios, Verlanders, Lincecums, etc. - people will get excited and start coming out again. I think this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted June 26, 2007 Author Share Posted June 26, 2007 I suppose you guys are enjoying the 2007 season. Without a serious rebuilding process the Sox will be battling KC in the standings for many years - not Detroit, Cleveland or Minnesota. The depth that those franchises have is so far beyond the White Sox it's almost a joke. The Sox need to bite the bullet for 2 years and go completely young to have any chance of winning this division in the next 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 12:33 PM) I suppose you guys are enjoying the 2007 season. I suppose you are enjoying it too... You have to be drunk. Seriously. NO GM will ever trade 17 of their 25 man roster for unproven players no matter their upside. Prospects are just that...prospects. Don't fall in love with them just because they aren't on our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 12:49 PM) Seriously. NO GM will ever trade 17 of their 25 man roster for unproven players no matter their upside. Prospects are just that...prospects. Don't fall in love with them just because they aren't on our team. Well, where will the Sox get the talent to make another run at the playoffs? Not from their minor league system. Not through free agency (the Sox will not pay the market price for top free agents -- they haven't since the ill-fated signings of Belle and Navarro). The fastest way for the Sox to get competitive is to acquire top AA and AAA talent. They can't do that by trading only Buehrle. A larger firesale has a lot to recommend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 This team is old and declining fast. We have a barren farm system. A firesale needs to happen if we want to compete any time soon. If we're going to suck the next two or three years, it may as well be with developing prospects than aging, overpriced veterans. I would really like to know what better plan you guys have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 11:57 AM) And we are happy that you are not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 QUOTE(Sox It To Em @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 01:17 PM) This team is old and declining fast. We have a barren farm system. A firesale needs to happen if we want to compete any time soon. If we're going to suck the next two or three years, it may as well be with developing prospects than aging, overpriced veterans. I would really like to know what better plan you guys have. That is not a plan. It is a delusion. You cannot trade away every player you have. This is not XBOX. We prefer realistic solutions. But if you don't...more power to you and the unicorn you ride into work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted June 26, 2007 Author Share Posted June 26, 2007 I'm glad that Kenny's the GM too. Because, if he wasn't the White Sox would be the worst team in all of baseball. Oh wait, they are. # 1 pick here we come. We're going to get the best available player in the draft....that isn't a Boras client or doesn't have large bonus demands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 01:50 PM) I'm glad that Kenny's the GM too. Because, if he wasn't the White Sox would be the worst team in all of baseball. Oh wait, they are. # 1 pick here we come. We're going to get the best available player in the draft....that isn't a Boras client or doesn't have large bonus demands. I am glad Kenny is the GM because since he took over our team has never had a season under .500 and we won the World Series. So I say he is already ahead of you as to who I give my trust in turning this around. Your GM desk would just have a huge PANIC BUTTON that would dump every player in the dugout at the first sign of distress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 01:53 PM) I am glad Kenny is the GM because since he took over our team has never had a season under .500 and we won the World Series. So I say he is already ahead of you as to who I give my trust in turning this around. Your GM desk would just have a huge PANIC BUTTON that would dump every player in the dugout at the first sign of distress. I would counter that the Marlins GM desk has a huge PANIC BUTTON that dumps every player at the sign of (fiscal) distress and that's worked quite well. I'm being facetious, of course, but not entirely. There needs to be a huge overhaul, and there will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I don't know if I could bear the growing pains the Randy Plan would bring. Is a bad young team better than a bad old team? The Devil Rays have "gone young" for quite a while now, and aren't exactly banging on the door of a World Series. Kenny's going to make changes, but he has to try to stay competitive for the short-term, or the "discriminating White Sox fans" and the "bandwagoneers" will both jump ship. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguy79 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 under your plan you wouldn't save any money over the next two years because 80% of season ticket holders would bail out next year and avg. attendance would be ~12,000/game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 02:44 PM) We prefer realistic solutions. But if you don't...more power to you and the unicorn you ride into work. I now know how to respond to my supervisor when she sets deadlines that fly in the face of all physical reality. Of course, I may not be employed for very long after that conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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