Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 09:14 AM) So much for Guillen being on the hot seat by the way he seems to be confronting KW head on with this. Let me throw this conspiracy theory out there, do you think this is Guillen and Reinsdorf trumping KW or nudging him toward signing Buerhle? Could Vazquez be the KW guy that Guillen has tired of who now will be moved to rebuild? Hey, I like soap operas. I gotta tell ya I like that Gonzalez kid at least today I do. How bad of an infielder is he that Cintron and Uribe are getting at-bats. Juan Uribe should be arrested not for shooting flares at the Italian Navy but for armed robbery of the White Sox, Mackowiak and Cintron could be as well. Those 8th inning at-bats by Uribe and Mackowiak made my eyes hurt. I was kind of thinking along these lines too. Guillen probably doesn't want to see his best "horse" gone. In this bad year, Buehrle's and Garland's starts have seemed to be the only winnable ones. I disagree with your point on Javy. As evident by the fact that they are trying to trade him, I think Count has fallen out of favor. I made this point about Gonzo yester in that other thread. We are going to be replacing both middle infielders next year in all liklihood. 2B is Gonzo's natural position, but why not give him some (or a lot) of starts at either 2B or SS. If Iguchi or Uribe is traded, I think Gonzo might see some action there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(JohnCangelosi @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 08:45 AM) The question remains- when Buehrle can get a Zito like 100+ million deal why would he settle for $50 million? Especially when you consider taxes are going to get out of control when the Socialist Hillary is elected... If he elects to give the Sox a break he'll sign for 4yrs/$60million with an option for a 5th year. And if I'm the Sox I jump all over that deal. I still don't buy the fact we cannot increase our payroll either moving forward. The team just needs to get more creative about bringing in revenues to keep the guys we have that are worthy of keeping- like MB. You mean like selling the start time of games? Deadlines usually lead to disaster. I don't like this at all, regardless of the outcome in terms of if we trade Mark or keep Mark. Deadlines don't lead to disaster, ultimatums do. Deadlines can be moved. Ultimatums can't be taken back. The Organization just wants to get started. Make some trades, maybe turn this season into a positive, learn what they have for '08. You don't want to drag this on for weeks and weeks...it isn't good for the player and it isn't good for the team. Relax people, I'm as excited for the possible signing of Buehrle as the next person, but it'll happen when it happens...or it won't and he'll be moved. Edited June 28, 2007 by CanOfCorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 To me, the deadline seems like a foolhardy attempt by the White Sox to strong-arm Buehrle in the negotiations. ...sounds like a Kenny Williams chestnut to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 09:13 AM) I'm sure the deadline has everything to do with trades He must have gotten a really nice offer in the last 24-48 hours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Offman is still predicting that a deal is done by tomorrow morning, while Levine is reporting about the agent/Hahn meeting today, but nothing is imminent. It's comical to hear Offman state though that the only thing they were saying yesterday is that intermediaries have been talking for a while, and they have an idea about what type of money they're looking for. QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 03:08 PM) He must have gotten a really nice offer in the last 24-48 hours... My prediction is it's from the Dodgers for Billingsley and Ethier. I'd just like to state that I'm happy with this deadline, as the last thing I wanted to see happen is to keep Buehrle for this entire year and then lose him during the offseason for only 2 draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Sine LA has inquired about Dye, any possibility they go together to LA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 10:13 AM) Sine LA has inquired about Dye, any possibility they go together to LA? I'm sure KW's first choice would be to deal these guys to NL teams, so it is possible. They have the chips to do something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 03:13 PM) Sine LA has inquired about Dye, any possibility they go together to LA? No one's going to take Dye right now....his injury isn't getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 This is a fair price for us to pay him. Securing him in our rotation long term would be a great morale booster during this train wreck of a season. MB, Garland, Danks is a more than solid core for a rotation at this point. We obviously still have to address the everyday players though, but this is a great start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 According to Barry Rozner, the latest round of negotiations started when Reinsdorf ok'd going to 4 years on the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 10:10 AM) Offman is still predicting that a deal is done by tomorrow morning, while Levine is reporting about the agent/Hahn meeting today, but nothing is imminent. It's comical to hear Offman state though that the only thing they were saying yesterday is that intermediaries have been talking for a while, and they have an idea about what type of money they're looking for. I am amazed the Offman still has a job after losing most of his credibility yesterday. Joseph Stalin would have had Offman taken outside and side for bad intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 10:28 AM) According to Barry Rozner, the latest round of negotiations started when Reinsdorf ok'd going to 4 years on the deal. That is a real positive sign. If Jerry is involved, that means something big is brewing. The chairman only gets involved in the big stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 10:31 AM) I am amazed the Offman still has a job after losing most of his credibility yesterday. Joseph Stalin would have had Offman taken outside and side for bad intelligence. Don't let Levine off the hook...He stated NOTHING is taking place while everyone is flying to Florida. The desiree to get the Scoop is powerful and makes men do studpid things. QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 10:32 AM) That is a real positive sign. If Jerry is involved, that means something big is brewing. The chairman only gets involved in the big stuff. Just like Sinatra...only got involved when JFK needed hookers! Other than that Peter Lawford took care of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 10:34 AM) Don't let Levine off the hook...He stated NOTHING is taking place while everyone is flying to Florida. The desiree to get the Scoop is powerful and makes men do studpid things. Just like Sinatra...only got involved when JFK needed hookers! Other than that Peter Lawford took care of it. The quote from Barry was "No new talks are underway". He repeated what he was told. Far cry from "the deal is done!!!" And he reported it hours before Hahn supposedly left for Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 03:31 PM) I am amazed the Offman still has a job after losing most of his credibility yesterday. Joseph Stalin would have had Offman taken outside and side for bad intelligence. I think Offman deserves more credit, as at least he knew something was going on. Levine was the one who foolishly believed that no negotiations were close to happening. QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 03:35 PM) The quote from Barry was "No new talks are underway". He repeated what he was told. Far cry from "the deal is done!!!" Bruce, you mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 10:34 AM) Don't let Levine off the hook...He stated NOTHING is taking place while everyone is flying to Florida. The desiree to get the Scoop is powerful and makes men do studpid things. Just like Sinatra...only got involved when JFK needed hookers! Other than that Peter Lawford took care of it. Can you just see Kenny belting out? I DID IT MY WAY, b****ES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 10:36 AM) I think Offman deserves more credit, as at least he knew something was going on. Levine was the one who foolishly believed that no negotiations were close to happening. Bruce, you mean No, I mean Berry. Berry gave Bruce the quote. He simply repeated it. And he repeated what Mark told him prior to the game. Regardless if they were lies or not, they were direct quotes from the 2 people involved in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 03:38 PM) No, I mean Berry. Berry gave bruce the quote. He simply repeated it. Ah, ok. I thought you meant Barry, as in the Rozner report today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 The Score actually had guys on the air saying it was a done deal. Levine talked to Buerhle's agent who said nothing had changed. Buerhle told Farmer nothing was up. Maybe they are negotiating now, but as far as yesterday, as much as it pains me to write, Levine was spot on. The Score was off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 03:40 PM) The Score actually had guys on the air saying it was a done deal. Levine talked to Buerhle's agent who said nothing had changed. Buerhle told Farmer nothing was up. Maybe they are negotiating now, but as far as yesterday, as much as it pains me to write, Levine was spot on. The Score was off. I honestly think both were wrong. There might not have been formal negotiations between the agent and KW/Hahn, but there's been a lot going on behind the scenes this week to get to the point where KW can basically give it 24 hours for a deal to be completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 (edited) Oh come on. The Score reported it was done, or close to being done, but at least they knew something was happening. I guarantee you that AM 1000 and Bruuuuuuuce Levine knew something was going on as well, but wanted to make the Score look as poorly as possible in breaking the story and trying to scoop them. Thus, they get the most polar opposite quote (from Mark's agent) they can and repeat IT all day. So basically we had two radio stations yesterday, one saying a deal was practically done, and the other pretending as though absolutely nothing was going on. And both were dead wrong, and probably knew as much. They're like two stubborn kids refusing to share. Edited June 28, 2007 by iamshack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(iamshack @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 10:44 AM) Oh come on. The Score reported it was done, or close to being done, but at least they knew something was happening. I guarantee you that AM 1000 and Bruuuuuuuce Levine knew something was going on as well, but wanted to make the Score look as poorly as possible in breaking the story and trying to scoop them. Thus, they get the most polar opposite quote (from Mark's agent) they can and repeat IT all day. So basically we had two radio stations yesterday, one saying a deal was practically done, and the other pretending as though absolutely nothing was going on. And both were dead wrong, and probably knew as much. They're like two stubborn kids refusing share. In retrospect, this is probably what actually happened. Both stations exaggerated what they knew to try and outdo the other, and both ended up looking stupid. Congrats to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 08:10 AM) Offman is still predicting that a deal is done by tomorrow morning, while Levine is reporting about the agent/Hahn meeting today, but nothing is imminent. It's comical to hear Offman state though that the only thing they were saying yesterday is that intermediaries have been talking for a while, and they have an idea about what type of money they're looking for. My prediction is it's from the Dodgers for Billingsley and Ethier. I'd just like to state that I'm happy with this deadline, as the last thing I wanted to see happen is to keep Buehrle for this entire year and then lose him during the offseason for only 2 draft picks. Fathom...any inside info on that offer? Or just pure speculation on your part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 QUOTE(iamshack @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 10:44 AM) Oh come on. The Score reported it was done, or close to being done, but at least they knew something was happening. I guarantee you that AM 1000 and Bruuuuuuuce Levine knew something was going on as well, but wanted to make the Score look as poorly as possible in breaking the story and trying to scoop them. Thus, they get the most polar opposite quote (from Mark's agent) they can and repeat IT all day. So basically we had two radio stations yesterday, one saying a deal was practically done, and the other pretending as though absolutely nothing was going on. And both were dead wrong, and probably knew as much. They're like two stubborn kids refusing share. ...pay heed to this post. This is the most insightful post that has been in this thread for pages and pages now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 If the Dodgers are offering Billingsley and Ethier for Mark, I might have a harder time deciding whether or not to take that deal than I would whether or not to pay Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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