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Buehrle wants no-trade protection

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The staredown continues.

 

Jeff Berry, the agent for White Sox left-hander Mark Buehrle, said Wednesday night that Buehrle will not sign a proposed four-year, $56 million contract with the Sox unless it includes complete no-trade protection.

Berry also said that if Buehrle is traded, the pitcher will decline any offer of a contract extension from the team that acquires him and exercise his right to become a free agent at the end of the season.

 

"Mark is not going to waver on his desire for a full no-trade clause," Berry told FOXSports.com. "If he can't play where he wants, which is Chicago, then he'll re-evaluate it at the end of the year when he is a free agent."

 

Asked if Buehrle, a native of St. Charles, Mo., near St. Louis, would apply his position even to the Cardinals, Berry said, "I believe so."

 

"Anywhere he goes, he'll obviously consider it," Berry said. "But he won't be signing an extension."

 

Teams interested in Buehrle already expected him to be a rental; the White Sox will not grant a 72-hour negotiating window for a trade partner to sign Buehrle to an extension.

 

Buerhle's unwillingness to sign an extension after he is traded, however, could decrease the White Sox's leverage in trade discussions.

 

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The two sides are at an impasse over a 20-month gap in which Buerhle would lack no-trade protection in his new contract.

 

The White Sox have offered Buehrle a full no-trade clause for 2008, the first year of the deal. Buerhle would gain the right to veto any trade in July 2010 when he becomes a player with 10 years of major-league service, five with the same club.

[Rowand44]

This is so f***in retarded. Give him the f***in no trade clause god damn it.

 

That felt good.

[iamshack]

Damn. Dude just took a big chunk out of Mark's trade value with those comments. The Sox are going to have to yield here and deal with Jon Garland wanting his NTC when it comes up. Because Mark isn't blinking and the Sox really have no other play here.

 

This will be done soon.

[hitlesswonder]

Longoria isn't going anywhere, not with the way he's been hitting.

 

Your'e right, he has been hitting -- I was looking at what he did in AA in 2006.

[Flash Tizzle]

Damn. Dude just took a big chunk out of Mark's trade value with those comments. The Sox are going to have to yield here and deal with Jon Garland wanting his NTC when it comes up. Because Mark isn't blinking and the Sox really have no other play here.

 

This will be done soon.

How can Buehrle's agent not say Buehrle will negotiate a contract extension for whatever team he's (potentially) traded to? This is apparently him and Buehrle's way of influencing a decision from management: either sign Buehrle under their conditions, or prepare to trade him for a less than ideal package.

 

We'd almost be better to hold onto him under such conditions.

 

If Buehrle is signed, I still expect Garland to be traded and I don't care what anyone says regarding their combined importance for the future. The same contract issue will probably be rehashed next season with Garland, and I know personally I'd be willing to trade Garland, accept a generous package, then look forwards the future with a rotation featuring Buehrle, Vazquez, Floyd, Danks, whomever.

 

Reasonably, how else are we going to build a competitive team from within if not for trading someone with value? Someone may say, "Garland is exactly that type of player to build with," but I regard pitching as our true strength in the system. If trading him allows other positions, such as catcher or SS, to be filled I'll support it.

 

We're not going to be in contention for a division title in 2008. Likely 2009 as well. It's my opinion that two of Buehlre/Garland/Vazquez/Contreras should be dealt by next season. Contreras, obviously, but aside from that it's between Garland and Vazquez. Many people may prefer Javier, but I don't believe we'll trade him this soon after signing an extension.

[29thandPoplar]

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 4, 2007 -> 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Nope, Rosenthal was quoting other baseball executives about the Garcia thing. The thing is, everyone in baseball knows that 4/56 is too good of a deal for the Sox to pass up. However, that doesn't mean it will happen.

 

It was quite clearly his opinion too, whether you choose to believe it or not. He spoke on radio several times and expanded on his thoughts. Rosenthal has also subsequently stated on radio his thoughts on the Phillies not doing a good job with medical screening regarding Garcia.

 

He has his opinions, he states them, just like he did here with Buehrle. He uses his sources to back his opinions, it happens with a lot of columnists.

[Wedge]

Whoa....I'm leaving for a BBQ in 45 minutes, if Buehrle isn't signed...I revolt.

 

How is the revolt going?

[hitlesswonder]

If Buehrle is signed, I still expect Garland to be traded and I don't care what anyone says regarding their combined importance for the future. The same contract issue will probably be rehashed next season with Garland, and I know personally I'd be willing to trade Garland, accept a generous package, then look forwards the future with a rotation featuring Buehrle, Vazquez, Floyd, Danks, whomever.

 

The Sox talk about the NTC only makes sense if they plan to try and sign Garland as well (who else would be in a situation similar enough to Buehrle that it could matter in negotiations?). Given that it's unlikely they sign Garland anyway, I would think they should just give Buehrle the NTC. If they have to choose between the 2, they fact is that Garland has more trade value if moved now. If the Sox believe the two will perform comparably over the next 4 years, the biggest return would be signing Buehrle and trading Garland.

 

My prediction is that the Sox do the opposite, and trade Buehrle for a tepid return, try to sign Garland next season and fail and trade him for a limited return as well. The Sox MO with free agents is to "try" so very hard but fail sign to them and then bring a veteran coming off an injury signed cheaply to fill the hole instead...

Edited July 5, 2007 by hitlesswonder

[southsider2k5]

I know this won't be said, but both sides are playing some hardcore staredown games here. If this deal really doesn't happen, its pretty sad because of how close they really are. That being said, with it this close, I'll bet someone blinks.

[toasty]

I know this won't be said, but both sides are playing some hardcore staredown games here. If this deal really doesn't happen, its pretty sad because of how close they really are. That being said, with it this close, I'll bet someone blinks.

 

 

eh... at this point, if the sox blink, it will be a blink like the jeanie, sending burls somewhere else, from the looks of it

[jackie hayes]

I know this won't be said, but both sides are playing some hardcore staredown games here. If this deal really doesn't happen, its pretty sad because of how close they really are. That being said, with it this close, I'll bet someone blinks.

What about this for a compromise? Mark rejects the full 10-5 NTC (I'm pretty sure he can do this under the CBA) in exchange for the Sox giving him a full NTC for the first 2 years and a very strong but not full NTC in the 3rd year (maybe just the Cards, Cubs, and Brewers -- just spitballing). The 4th year is as weak as the CBA allows, but with a good trade kicker. It gives MB excellent protection (in terms of moving his family and being with a team he likes) for 3 out of the 4 years, and compensation if the Sox need to move him for that last year.

 

Like everyone else, just trying to see how this thing could work. Pay no mind...

[DBAHO]

I know this won't be said, but both sides are playing some hardcore staredown games here. If this deal really doesn't happen, its pretty sad because of how close they really are. That being said, with it this close, I'll bet someone blinks.

I think mostly everyone expects KW and JR will be the ones who'll have to save face here, but I actually think KW will really stick to his guns here on this one.

 

So really I don't know what's going to happen here. All I know 56/4 for Buehrle in this market, is well a pretty good deal.

[fathom]

Chicagosports article saying that Boston is involved in the Buehrle talks again.

[bulokis]

C'mon KW sign Buerhle and then start trading! Trade Contreras and Vazquez. Built around Mark, Jon and Danks.

 

Give MARK his freaking NTC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gosox41]

I think mostly everyone expects KW and JR will be the ones who'll have to save face here, but I actually think KW will really stick to his guns here on this one.

 

So really I don't know what's going to happen here. All I know 56/4 for Buehrle in this market, is well a pretty good deal.

 

 

I have an idea where both sides can win. It's time for KW to get creative. Buerhle has given up a lot in salary and # of years.

 

The Sox give Buehrle the contract they agreed to with a limited NTC of a list of teams today that he won't play for. Odds are they're small market teams that won't trade for him anyway.

 

 

The Sox and Buehrle also agree on an escalation in salary in teh contract if Buehrle is traded. Say that his salary automatically increases to $16-17 mill per year + a fifth year is added on the contract. This helps off set Buehrle's home town discount if traded. The reality is if the Sox suck the next couple of years (and that may be the case) and Buehrle is pitching well, teams won't shy away from the contract. Heck, there'd probably be 7-8 teams chasing him in the FA market offering him $17 mill per year for 5 years. Now Buehrle gets compensated to get traded to a contending team taht will have pursued him anyway this off season if the Sox don't re-sign him.

 

Is this too logical?

 

 

 

Bob

[toasty]

it is quite possibe that burls will demand a no-trade from whatever team he signs with in the off-season, if the sox do not lock him up. he seems the type to want to have his family settled and not be moving around... so no amount of maneuvering on the sox side will help.

 

 

i just cant see KW giving in on this, unfortunately.

[witesoxfan]

I have an idea where both sides can win. It's time for KW to get creative. Buerhle has given up a lot in salary and # of years.

 

The Sox give Buehrle the contract they agreed to with a limited NTC of a list of teams today that he won't play for. Odds are they're small market teams that won't trade for him anyway.

The Sox and Buehrle also agree on an escalation in salary in teh contract if Buehrle is traded. Say that his salary automatically increases to $16-17 mill per year + a fifth year is added on the contract. This helps off set Buehrle's home town discount if traded. The reality is if the Sox suck the next couple of years (and that may be the case) and Buehrle is pitching well, teams won't shy away from the contract. Heck, there'd probably be 7-8 teams chasing him in the FA market offering him $17 mill per year for 5 years. Now Buehrle gets compensated to get traded to a contending team taht will have pursued him anyway this off season if the Sox don't re-sign him.

 

Is this too logical?

Bob

 

Buehrle wants to stay in Chicago. That's the reason for the full no trade clause. He will not accept a limited NTC.

 

If there is any leverage in this deal at all, it's towards Buehrle's side. He's already given up a year and $19 mill in salary for the Sox; he will not give up any more. It's absolutely up to KW right now to either crack and give the full no trade clause, or for him to trade him while receiving less value.

[fathom]

it is quite possibe that burls will demand a no-trade from whatever team he signs with in the off-season, if the sox do not lock him up. he seems the type to want to have his family settled and not be moving around... so no amount of maneuvering on the sox side will help.

i just cant see KW giving in on this, unfortunately.

 

Yep, and the more time passes, the more the Sox fans will have a hard time accepting it if he's traded after being willing to give up so much money to remain with the team. KW should have kept these negotiations quiet....as it's his job that's likely going to be at stake in the long run.

[AirScott]

Buehrle wants to stay in Chicago. That's the reason for the full no trade clause. He will not accept a limited NTC.

 

If there is any leverage in this deal at all, it's towards Buehrle's side. He's already given up a year and $19 mill in salary for the Sox; he will not give up any more. It's absolutely up to KW right now to either crack and give the full no trade clause, or for him to trade him while receiving less value.

It's really what makes this situation completely ridiculous. Buehrle is the one making concessions here -- if you assume he could get 5 years for $16 million per year, which is a fair assumption looking at the deals of last offseason, that means 5 years for $80 million total, meaning he loses out on TWENTY-FOUR MILLION DOLLARS in this deal. So all he wants for this sacrifice is to know that he'll be here for the four years of his discount contract.

 

"But oh no, if we give him the no-trade clause, we'll have to give EVERYBODY one."

Edited July 6, 2007 by AirScott

[Rockabilly]

The Sox locker room thinks Buehrle is close to signing a 4 yr deal

 

 

from today sun-times

 

Sox players believing the Mark Buehrle contract saga is about to end with the left-hander signing a four-year, $56 million extension -- there's a feeling in the clubhouse that the storm is about to start.

[harfman77]

The Sox locker room thinks Buehrle is close to signing a 4 yr deal

from today sun-times

 

Sox players believing the Mark Buehrle contract saga is about to end with the left-hander signing a four-year, $56 million extension -- there's a feeling in the clubhouse that the storm is about to start.

 

The storm where all of them are on new teams?

[Rowand44]

The Sox locker room thinks Buehrle is close to signing a 4 yr deal

from today sun-times

 

Sox players believing the Mark Buehrle contract saga is about to end with the left-hander signing a four-year, $56 million extension -- there's a feeling in the clubhouse that the storm is about to start.

Here's the whole article: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/wh...-ssep06.article

 

Sox bracing for major shakeups

CALM BEFORE STORM | Williams hints he's ready to start dealing; Buehrle may yet sign extension

 

July 6, 2007

BY JOE COWLEY [email protected]

 

Ken Williams didn't want to go on the record with the media Thursday.

 

As far as the White Sox' general manager is concerned, too much Ken Williams in the newspaper is never a good thing.

 

But he'd better get used to seeing his name as the July 31 trade deadline approaches, especially after he hinted before Thursday night's series finale with the Baltimore Orioles that roster changes might be made by the start of the second half.

 

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It's not unlike Williams to want the rest of baseball thinking he is about to do something. But with Gavin Floyd set to make his Sox debut tonight in a doubleheader against the Minnesota Twins -- as well as several Sox players believing the Mark Buehrle contract saga is about to end with the left-hander signing a four-year, $56 million extension -- there's a feeling in the clubhouse that the storm is about to start.

 

Just don't ask manager Ozzie Guillen, who remained optimistic that the roster is good enough to sway Williams to keep it intact.

 

''I always talk to Kenny,'' Guillen said. ''To this point right now, there's nothing there, believe me. I think I have the wrong job because some people have to keep stuff quiet, and I can't. There's nothing there yet.

 

''We're going to continue to play with the guys we have. Maybe in the future, I don't know. But it's nothing like, 'I hope this guy plays good so we can trade him.' No. We've got to play good so we can win some games. That's my thought. I root for everyone on the field because I want to play good. If they play good, we have a chance to win games, and that's all that matters.''

 

If Buehrle truly is inching closer to signing the extension offer, the Sox likely will look to trade at least Jose Contreras and might dangle Javier Vazquez, too.

 

Williams was putting out the idea that Floyd's start might not necessarily be a one-and-done outing.

 

''Everyone should be a rumor,'' Guillen said. ''It's nice when people talk about you being traded because that means somebody's interested in you. They've got to go out there and perform and play the way they know how to play.

 

''There's one thing about players, coaches, managers: You cannot control that situation. The only thing you can control is how you perform on the field. That's it.''

 

Right fielder Jermaine Dye is also a strong candidate to be moved, as is second baseman Tadahito Iguchi, despite the Sox being thin in the middle infield.

 

The bottom line is that when players return from the All-Star break and regroup in Baltimore for the start of an 11-game trip, some teammates might not be there.

 

''Hopefully, we go on the road trip and play great,'' Guillen said, ''and we show Kenny and [chairman Jerry Reinsdorf] we still have a shot, at least to contend in the pennant race. If not, hey, I don't expect anything less. I expect them to make moves.''

Edited July 6, 2007 by Rowand44

[gosox41]

Buehrle wants to stay in Chicago. That's the reason for the full no trade clause. He will not accept a limited NTC.

 

If there is any leverage in this deal at all, it's towards Buehrle's side. He's already given up a year and $19 mill in salary for the Sox; he will not give up any more. It's absolutely up to KW right now to either crack and give the full no trade clause, or for him to trade him while receiving less value.

 

 

 

But wouldn't the extra year + extra money make giving up a NTC bearable. He could just as easily get traded if he signs with another team and that team goes to the crapper.

 

The only way the Sox would trade Buehrle is if they suck. And I wold thinkg Buehrle wouldn't want to be on a sucky team anyway. Now he gets fairly compensated to get into a better position.

 

I think the idea is a compromise. If I were the Sox I would give him the full NTC, but I'm not. I won't argue what the Sox are doing is ridiculous. As a fan, I want there to be resolution, preferably with MB in a Sox uniform.

 

My idea at least prevents MB from signing a cheap contract and then getting traded to a team he doens't like. At least he'll giveu p his hometown discount in a trade and can rule out 10 teams right away.

 

 

 

Bob

[WCSox]

KW should have kept these negotiations quiet....as it's his job that's likely going to be at stake in the long run.

 

So you're saying that KW was responsible for leaking numbers that make the Sox front office look very bad? That doesn't make any sense. More likely, it was somebody in Mark's camp.

 

It's amazing what Kenny gets blamed for these days. :oldrolleyes

[Greg The Bull Luzinski]

With numerous media sources basically saying that KW is an idiot if he does not give the no trade close, I think they are looking for a way to let KW save some face. Perhaps a NTC that is not called a No Trade Clause? The organization is being made to look worse to free agents by this saga than it would for having a reputation for low-balling or no giving NTC's.