Bulls Trade Rumor

[SoxFan1]

OMFG!

[jackie hayes]

Well, not Amare, but pretty close, eh?

[GoRowand33]

I like Noah

 

regardless of everyone saying we have no low-post threat, I think Tyrus and Noah are a great combo that still have time to develop into low-post threats

[southsideirish]

I hate to say I told you so, but I did tell you so. Steve, are you angry yet? Could this be the end of Ben Wallace in Chicago? He and Noah are similar players. Can they trade Wallace and Gordon and get something in return?

 

QUOTE(GoRowand33 @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I like Noah

 

regardless of everyone saying we have no low-post threat, I think Tyrus and Noah are a great combo that still have time to develop into low-post threats

Plus Noah is a hard worker and he knows his flaws. I am sure he will do everything he can to become better. He is not like Tyson Chandler at all in that regard. Noah also played injured this year for about half the year and the whole tournament. That could have affected a lot. He was a canidate to go #1 overall last year. This year he fell a bit. Kind of like a Matt Leinhart situation. I like the pick a lot.

[CWSGuy406]

I hate to say I told you so, but I did tell you so. Steve, are you angry yet? Could this be the end of Ben Wallace in Chicago? He and Noah are similar players. Can they trade Wallace and Gordon and get something in return?

Plus Noah is a hard worker and he knows his flaws. I am sure he will do everything he can to become better. He is not like Tyson Chandler at all in that regard. Noah also played injured this year for about half the year and the whole tournament. That could have affected a lot. He was a canidate to go #1 overall last year. This year he fell a bit. Kind of like a Matt Leinhart situation. I like the pick a lot.

 

I'm sorry, but Noah is what -- 21, 22 years old? If he hasn't learned how to properly shoot the ball as of right now, I don't think he's going to learn. Dude has no offensive game. None.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm sorry, but Noah is what -- 21, 22 years old? If he hasn't learned how to properly shoot the ball as of right now, I don't think he's going to learn. Dude has no offensive game. None.

So you are done developing at 22? That is f***ing ridiculous. I don't even know where to begin with your comment there. So the dude, when he was healthy in 2006, was a candidate for #1 overall. He is hurt and can't perform as well and he absolutely sucks in 2007? Give me a break. He is a good pick and will only help the Bulls get better. He has a bright future.

 

So who did you want? Hawes? A guy whose upside is Brad Miller? Offense is not the only part of the game.

Edited June 29, 2007 by southsideirish

[CWSGuy406]

So you are done developing at 22? That is f***ing ridiculous. I don't even know where to begin with your comment there. So the dude, when he was healthy in 2006, was a candidate for #1 overall. He is hurt and can't perform as well and he absolutely sucks in 2007?.

 

Absolutely sucks? Done developing at 22? I guess since I gave you an inch, you had to take it a mile.

 

Noah isn't what the Bulls need. He plays defense and can rebound well -- things we're paying another guy $15 million to do and spent a high draft pick to acquire the other guy.

 

And yes, I'm confident saying Noah won't be a good offensive player. What screams out to you that he'll develop an offensive game? That pretty jumper of his -- is that going to change into a JJ Redick shot in the next couple seasons? Or how about his footwork on offense? I'm sure his post-game is going to get a heckuva lot better, what with that thick frame of his.

 

But I guess we'll have to talk after the season -- I'm willing to bet that Noah has a similar but worse season that Thomas did, decent on defense but a lot worse on offense.

 

So who did you want? Hawes? A guy whose upside is Brad Miller? Offense is not the only part of the game.

 

Hawes? Yeah, I'd take a guy who can come off the bench and have some semblence of an offensive post-game, sure. Because the Bulls currently ZERO guys who can do that on the roster.

 

And defense isn't the only part of the game, either. The Bulls currently have lots of guys who can play defense, few who can put the ball in the hoop.

 

Now that I've digested this a little bit, I'm really not that mad -- passing on Hawes isn't going to be some franchise altering decision. And in reality, the decision must've been between Noah and Hawes -- I don't think either J-Wright or Thorton were options, and if the Bulls did take either two, I'd think both would be considered reaches at that point.

 

And the offseason hasn't started yet, either. I can't imagine Pax sitting with the roster as is, without a guy who can score with his back to the basket. I still would've rather had Hawes, and part of my anger is because B-Wright and Brewer looked like they had shots of falling to the Bulls and (eventually) didn't, but I don't see this as an awful pick.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Absolutely sucks? Done developing at 22? I guess since I gave you an inch, you had to take it a mile.

 

Noah isn't what the Bulls need. He plays defense and can rebound well -- things we're paying another guy $15 million to do and spent a high draft pick to acquire the other guy.

 

And yes, I'm confident saying Noah won't be a good offensive player. What screams out to you that he'll develop an offensive game? That pretty jumper of his -- is that going to change into a JJ Redick shot in the next couple seasons? Or how about his footwork on offense? I'm sure his post-game is going to get a heckuva lot better, what with that thick frame of his.

 

But I guess we'll have to talk after the season -- I'm willing to bet that Noah has a similar but worse season that Thomas did, decent on defense but a lot worse on offense.

You said he is done developing since he is 21/22. Where did I take a mile from an inche? Ridiculous. His footwork is not as bad as you make it out to be. His shot needs a lot of work. He is a very hard worker and I think he will improve greatly. You state things as if they are fact when they are all opinion. He will improve this team and help this team win. Hawes would not. Hawes is going to take years to develop.

 

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hawes? Yeah, I'd take a guy who can come off the bench and have some semblence of an offensive post-game, sure. Because the Bulls currently ZERO guys who can do that on the roster.

 

And defense isn't the only part of the game, either. The Bulls currently have lots of guys who can play defense, few who can put the ball in the hoop.

 

Now that I've digested this a little bit, I'm really not that mad -- passing on Hawes isn't going to be some franchise altering decision. And in reality, the decision must've been between Noah and Hawes -- I don't think either J-Wright or Thorton were options, and if the Bulls did take either two, I'd think both would be considered reaches at that point.

 

And the offseason hasn't started yet, either. I can't imagine Pax sitting with the roster as is, without a guy who can score with his back to the basket. I still would've rather had Hawes, and part of my anger is because B-Wright and Brewer looked like they had shots of falling to the Bulls and (eventually) didn't, but I don't see this as an awful pick.

So offense is the only thing you are concerned about? Hawes is very skinny and has moves in the college game but it is unproven in the pros. He is very passive and is a very poor rebounder offensively and defensively. Those things do not lead to helping a quality team win. The Bulls are ready to win now. They don't need another player that they have to develop in order to win. He has nothing that will help this team win immediately. He is not even Brad Miller yet - that is his upside. That is the best he can possibly become. You can not teach agressiveness. He doesn't have it.

 

I am honestly shocked that Zach Randolph was traded for sooooooooooooooo little and the Bulls didn't try to get him. That is a 20 and 10 post up inside scorer that is established in this league and would have fit perfectly with the Bulls. To see him go to the Knicks for Channing Frye and Steve Francis is ridiculous. This is what the Bulls needed most and it is like they didn't even make an offer. This upset me more than anything. I am actually cool with the pick. This trade that didn't happen pissed me off.

[Chisoxfn]

I am very happy the Bulls went with Noah. He fits the Bulls system so much more than a guy like Hawes would (the more I think about it, the more I like it). No he isn't the low post solution, but he's another good athlete that will make the Bulls an even better up-tempo offense and an even better defensive team.

 

Noah can also get tons of minutes off the bench as the squad slowly transitions him to replace Wallace in a couple years.

 

While Hawes will be a better offensive player, he also is a far worse athlete and would not have been much of a fit in the up-start Bulls offense (that truly relies on the defense making the stops and getting out in transition and getting easy buckets...although they are also a good half court team based on all the ball movement).

 

Pax still has some work to do though.

[CWSGuy406]

You said he is done developing since he is 21/22.

 

No, I said this:

 

"I'm sorry, but Noah is what -- 21, 22 years old? If he hasn't learned how to properly shoot the ball as of right now, I don't think he's going to learn."

 

Please, do me a favor -- two things, actually: read more carefully, and don't say that I said something I didn't say. I f***in' hate when people do that.

 

You state things as if they are fact when they are all opinion.

 

Ahahahahah! How ironic is this! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black -- it's funny because immediately after you typed that sentence, you type these three gems:

 

He will improve this team and help this team win. Hawes would not. Hawes is going to take years to develop.

 

Apparently that doesn't qualify as "stat[ing] things as if they are fact when they are all opinion." Nope, not at all, tool.

 

I'm just going to stop here because the rest of your post is more of the same. I'll just let you be right -- you have me right on the dot, I don't give a lick about defense, I clearly said that somewhere in this thread or otherwise.

 

And also, the rest of what you say about Hawes is definitely not more of the same "stating things as if they are fact when they are all opinion." Nope, those are... I don't even know.

Edited June 29, 2007 by CWSGuy406

[whitesoxfan101]

Another awful pick. Aaron Gray is soft and just plain bad. Pax having a bad night.

[witesoxfan]

JamesOn

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No, I said this:

 

"I'm sorry, but Noah is what -- 21, 22 years old? If he hasn't learned how to properly shoot the ball as of right now, I don't think he's going to learn."

 

Please, do me a favor -- two things, actually: read more carefully, and don't say that I said something I didn't say. I f***in' hate when people do that.

 

 

 

Ahahahahah! How ironic is this! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black -- it's funny because immediately after you typed that sentence, you type these three gems:

 

 

 

Apparently that doesn't qualify as "stat[ing] things as if they are fact when they are all opinion." Nope, not at all, tool.

 

I'm just going to stop here because the rest of your post is more of the same. I'll just let you be right -- you have me right on the dot, I don't give a lick about defense, I clearly said that somewhere in this thread or otherwise.

 

And also, the rest of what you say about Hawes is definitely not more of the same "stating things as if they are fact when they are all opinion." Nope, those are... I don't even know.

If he hasn't learned how to properly shoot the ball as of right now, I don't think he's going to learn.

Learning is developing. If he can't learn it he can't develop it. Case closed. I f***ing hate it when people say one thing and then state that they didn't. You clearly did. It is obvious.

 

Tool = perosnal attack/insult = you should be banned. What is wrong with you. Grow up.

 

 

 

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Another awful pick. Aaron Gray is soft and just plain bad. Pax having a bad night.

Pax has drafted well in the past and I didn't necessarily always agree with his picks. He has done very well in turning this team around with his picks. I will trust him and see what we have until I judge this draft. I would bet that it turns out to be pretty good the way Paxson has done in the past.

Edited June 29, 2007 by southsideirish

[Buehrle>Wood]

Aaron Gray? Are you kidding me? Did anyone in the entire Bulls' scouting offices bother watching him in college?

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Aaron Gray? Are you kidding me? Did anyone in the entire Bulls' scouting offices bother watching him in college?

late 2nd round pick, what did you expect? I guess we will have to wait and see how it turns out.

[Wedge]

In case there's a question, here's our assclown first round pick in action:

 

 

 

And just in case you were wondering, he's not well spoken... You have no idea what he is talking about because he has no idea what he is talking about.

 

Edited June 29, 2007 by Wedge

[chimpy2121]

 

 

One of the most horryifying experiences of my life was standing less than three feet away from him. His teammate, Corey Brewer, had mono, and Joakim was having respitory problems as well, caughing all over everything. In the end though it was worth it to see him cry as he walked off the court.

 

God this pick is so hard for me to take as a Bulls fan...

 

 

And I don't mean any harm by this video, I just found it funny. If you guys want to take it down thats fine with me.

Edited June 29, 2007 by chimpy2121

[southsider2k5]

I am honestly shocked that Zach Randolph was traded for sooooooooooooooo little and the Bulls didn't try to get him. That is a 20 and 10 post up inside scorer that is established in this league and would have fit perfectly with the Bulls. To see him go to the Knicks for Channing Frye and Steve Francis is ridiculous. This is what the Bulls needed most and it is like they didn't even make an offer. This upset me more than anything. I am actually cool with the pick. This trade that didn't happen pissed me off.

 

I'm not surprised at all. The Trail Blazers wanted Randolph gone, and they wanted him gone BAD. They woudl have drove the bus all of the way to NYC if that is what they asked. The sad thing is, Portland still wins this deal, because now you have to get Curry and Randolph to play together, and that isn't going to happen. There are going to be some HUGE problems in that clubhouse when you throw in guys like Marbury.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2007 -> 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm not surprised at all. The Trail Blazers wanted Randolph gone, and they wanted him gone BAD. They woudl have drove the bus all of the way to NYC if that is what they asked. The sad thing is, Portland still wins this deal, because now you have to get Curry and Randolph to play together, and that isn't going to happen. There are going to be some HUGE problems in that clubhouse when you throw in guys like Marbury.

I totally agree with you about the Knicks, but wouldn't Randolph be a good fit with the Bulls? What would the Bulls have to give up if all the Knicks gave up were Channing Frye and Steve Francis?

 

 

QUOTE(chimpy2121 @ Jun 29, 2007 -> 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

 

One of the most horryifying experiences of my life was standing less than three feet away from him. His teammate, Corey Brewer, had mono, and Joakim was having respitory problems as well, caughing all over everything. In the end though it was worth it to see him cry as he walked off the court.

 

God this pick is so hard for me to take as a Bulls fan...

 

 

And I don't mean any harm by this video, I just found it funny. If you guys want to take it down thats fine with me.

That was pretty dumb. Not even funny or offensive, just dumb.

 

 

QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 29, 2007 -> 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

In case there's a question, here's our assclown first round pick in action:

 

 

 

And just in case you were wondering, he's not well spoken... You have no idea what he is talking about because he has no idea what he is talking about.

 

Why do either one of these videos make him an assclown? He is entertaining, happy, and having fun. What is wrong with that? Why do you guys hate him so much? I can't believe the reaction some of you have over this guy.

[southsider2k5]

I totally agree with you about the Knicks, but wouldn't Randolph be a good fit with the Bulls? What would the Bulls have to give up if all the Knicks gave up were Channing Frye and Steve Francis?

That was pretty dumb. Not even funny or offensive, just dumb.

 

We would have had to do a little work to get some salaries to match. We could have done it if Pax and Skiles were interested, but the last thing they want is a lazy criminal poisoning the chemistry that they have worked very hard to get here. Remember they have let players walk for nothing because of the problems they caused. His numbers are what the Bulls need, no doubt, but his persona would take away from everything he would do on the floor.

 

Besides it will be hilarious watching two of the worst front court "defenders" trying to not give up more points per game than they can score in NYC.

[Wedge]

Why do either one of these videos make him an assclown?

 

If you can't identify what in either of those videos makes him an assclown, then you probably are one yourself.

 

I'm j/k, mostly.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 29, 2007 -> 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

If you can't identify what in either of those videos makes him an assclown, then you probably are one yourself.

 

I'm j/k, mostly.

Then please explain it to me. He is a young kid that just won a championship. He is goofing around, happy, excited, and having fun. Please explain it so I know why you think he is. Really, I am not joking.

 

 

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2007 -> 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

We would have had to do a little work to get some salaries to match. We could have done it if Pax and Skiles were interested, but the last thing they want is a lazy criminal poisoning the chemistry that they have worked very hard to get here. Remember they have let players walk for nothing because of the problems they caused. His numbers are what the Bulls need, no doubt, but his persona would take away from everything he would do on the floor.

 

Besides it will be hilarious watching two of the worst front court "defenders" trying to not give up more points per game than they can score in NYC.

OK, if they thought he was a lazy criminal then I can see why he wouldn't be wanted. I knew he had some law issues, but I didn't know he was considered lazy. I agree - Randolph and Curry are going to give up a lot of points. That is a bad combination.

[Wedge]

I cite from UrbanDictionary:

 

1. A person who, while under the influence, makes a complete fool of himself while attempting humor. An assclown may wear an asshat.

 

2. A person who, while making a serious attempt as something, fails to realize what a complete fool he has made of himself.

 

3. An untalented schmuck.

 

1. That assclown thought he was being funny when he pretended to choke at the party, but everyone thought he was just being foolish.

 

2. The actor, while in character, made such an assclown of himself during the production that most of the audience started to talk during his monologues.

 

3. That assclown can't play the guitar at all.

 

1. From video 1 and 2, he must either be drunk or stupid and is definitely making a fool of himself.

 

2. Maybe those weren't serious attempts at anything, but he definitely makes a complete fool of himself. For that I posit the following picture as Exibit A:

 

 

3. I think from a basketball perspective, "untalented schmuck" pretty much fits the bill.

[southsider2k5]

OK, if they thought he was a lazy criminal then I can see why he wouldn't be wanted. I knew he had some law issues, but I didn't know he was considered lazy. I agree - Randolph and Curry are going to give up a lot of points. That is a bad combination.

 

The guy has one of the longest criminal wrap sheets in all of pro-sports. If he were playing in a major outlet, the entire world would know about it. He is going to have some big time problems in NY. He also is known to not practice much, and not hard, not play defense, and not to be anykind of a teammate.

[danman31]

The guy has one of the longest criminal wrap sheets in all of pro-sports. If he were playing in a major outlet, the entire world would know about it. He is going to have some big time problems in NY. He also is known to not practice much, and not hard, not play defense, and not to be anykind of a teammate.

Yeah exactly. I laughed hysterically when New York made that trade. Curry is basically the same player, Frye is solid and a good defender (which they have few of), and Francis is still a good player when in a better situation like Portland. IMO Portland shafted the Knicks, who won't get the same numbers out of Randolph that Portland did.