SuperSteve Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Yeah, Jose Vidro is better than Alomar, so the Expos are out. Shannon Stewart has been hurt a little bit this season. I think the Jays would be willing to deal him now that Reed Johnson has been playing a little bit better. The Jays need bullpen help very badly. Cliff Pollite is not a closer. I assumer the Jays would ask for some pen help. Who would be the leadoff hitter for the Jays too. I just don't see this deal happening. I would like to see Stewart come here though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 It would be a major mistake to move Neal Cotts. Beane must have missed something when taking a look at him. I don't want Jeff Weaver here, all he will do is b**** and moan and bring this teams morale down. I'm still in favor of acquiring Luis Castillo. Castillo: .308 AVG, and a .367 OBP. Not to mention his 14 SB's and 28 Walks. He has 24 K's compared to 28 BB's. But I'll take that if a guy is hitting .300 and has a solid OBP. If anyone thinks we'll be okay with Jimenez in the lead-off spot, your nuts. He has struck out 46 times compared to only walking 32 times. We need a player like Castillo on this team. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 We do need to get Castillo, but what will we have to give up to get him? If I was the Marlins, I'd ask for top prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 We do need to get Castillo, but what will we have to give up to get him? If I was the Marlins, I'd ask for top prospects. I doubt they will, they might just deal Castillo to us because they are so worked up in getting the next Dontrelle Willis for Lowell. I think they'd trade Castillo over here for Jimenez and Wright. I wouldn't mind giving them a pitcher in A ball either. I think it can be done. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Meanwhile, the Royals and White Sox are competing with the Expos for Robby Alomar, and a deal could well happen this week. Chicago has a lot of pitching in the organization, and one -- left-hander Neal Cotts, who came over from Oakland in the Billy Koch-Keith Foulke trade -- is so intriguing that when the Yankees and White Sox talked about a Jeff Weaver deal recently, Cotts name was involved Why would the Expos want Alomar??? Vidro is there Maybe they would move him to 3rd bench and bench Tatis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 The Expos want to get rid of Fernando Tatis anyways. Vidro is one of the top 2B's in the game. He should be an AS again this year. Alomar will be a Hall of Famer one day, do you think he'd be willing to move to 3B? I just don't see him being willing. I can't see Tatis getting benched, while he's making $6.5 million a year for a team like the Expos. He's on the DL right now anyways. I have no idea when he comes off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 The bottom line is not what the Expos or Royals are offering, but what the Mets GM can make KW think they are offering. If he can convince him that everybody has a better offer on the table unless they get Cotts, then KW will have to decide to call his bluff and offer someone else or pull the trigger and hope it works out. It's just a poker game right now. Let's see if KW can handle himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Keep in mind that a lot of information out there can easily be disinformation to. GM's use Gammons by telling him what they want him to tell everyone else. If they want to push a team to make a deal then they will tell him what is going on so that the other team feel's the need to react. If they want to deflect attention from one area they can feed him something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 I am not sure if this has been mentioned yet b/c I just skipped reading all of the posts after the first few (3 pages is a lot to take in) But why not throw in Jimenez with Cotts or Ring and take back alomar and a prospect or two. Maybe Alomar and Pat Strange and a single-A player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 interesting, but it comes from gammons, so who knows. Cotts for Alomar? Cotts for Weaver? do we trade a young prospect who COULD be good for some major league players who WERE good and COULD become good again? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 interesting, but it comes from gammons, so who knows. Cotts for Alomar? Cotts for Weaver? do we trade a young prospect who COULD be good for some major league players who WERE good and COULD become good again? No. he didn't say "should we", he said "do we" with Kenny Williams, those 2 don't always correspond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 SAY NO TO WEAVER Injury waiting to happen. We drafted his lazy ass and he didn't sign with us. F Him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Maybe it's just me, but I don't wanna part ways with a Cotts-type prospect for a 2B-man who's best days are behind him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Three quick things: 1. If you read last week's Sporting News, you'll see that the Mets are DESPERATE for prospects. It's not just about dropping payroll anymore. They need young players badly. 2. Southsider 2k3, thanks a lot for all the info-packed quotes you post. It's appreciated. 3. Jeff Pentland was fired as the Cubs hitting coach because HE was the problem with their bats. He was the reason they couldn't hit. Yet Pentland goes to K.C., and somehow now the Royals are pounding the ball and the Cubs still suck ass and can't score. Did you just see that? It was a typical JUNE SWOON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Weaver is a good pitcher. If we can get him without getting raped, I say do it. Whether he signed with us or not when he was drafted is of no concern today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Yas, George "Der Fuhrer" Steinbrenner is so fed up with Weaver that I'm sure he would trade him for a bag of toenails. According to an A.L. scout in a recent sports magazine - "Weaver just needs to get out of New York. Much like it does to many players, it messes with your head." As for Weaver's attitude, hey, we need some attitude on the South Side. And he's not afraid to dust a hitter once in a while either. He'd fit right in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 I'd hate to give up Cotts, because so many people are impressed with the guy. But still, he's a AA pitcher that might or might not have success in the big leagues. Weaver has proven he can pitch, and pitch well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 I like Cotts too, but I've been hearing about all these "hot prospect pitchers" in our minors for years, and I'm still waiting on about 97% of them. Once in a while, you trade a hot prospect for a proven commodity. Sometimes it works, sometimes it blows up in your face. But that's the case in everyday life decisions as well. IMHO, if Weaver could get out of the fishbowl of the Bronx, he would be more revitalized than a 75 year old man with a month's supply of Viagra and hookers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 I like Cotts too, but I've been hearing about all these "hot prospect pitchers" in our minors for years, and I'm still waiting on about 97% of them. Once in a while, you trade a hot prospect for a proven commodity. Sometimes it works, sometimes it blows up in your face. But that's the case in everyday life decisions as well. IMHO, if Weaver could get out of the fishbowl of the Bronx, he would be more revitalized than a 75 year old man with a month's supply of Viagra and hookers. On this issue, we are thinking on exactly the same lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Well, of course. Brilliant minds think alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joel Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 I'd hate to give up Cotts, because so many people are impressed with the guy. But still, he's a AA pitcher that might or might not have success in the big leagues. Weaver has proven he can pitch, and pitch well. Thats what I have been thinking also Yasny. Yes Cotts has pitched very well at AA but he hasn't proved a thing in the majors or even AAA yet. So to me it would suck if we lost out on a trade because we didn't want to trade a AA pitcher who has proved nothing in the Majors. Especially when we could get 1 of the best 2nd baseman of all time. Who would not only improve our top of the lineup, but also our up the middle defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Please don't trade Cotts for an over the hill second baseman, especially without trying a few other solutions first. THANK you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 The last two years Alomar has been a .260 hitter, and, if ESPN highlights are an indication, he has had defensive problems of his own. This trade looked interesting a week ago, because Jiminez was still starting at second. It looks as if that is not the case any more, although you never know what JM will do. Harris at second will improve the infield defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Just to be perfectly clear here... I do not want to trade Cotts for Alomar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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