Clarkdog Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Since this is being talked about on a number of threads, I figured I start a thread to bring the braintrust together on the best route to take toward the 7/31 deadline. The fact we are even talking about this is exciting and I think - like in '83 - the right move could propel the Sox to the division title and beyond. So here's the proposition - you get one move. What's it going to be, and justify your reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 The only right move KW could make right now would be combined with a Bekins Truck outside his house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 If Shannon Stewart can play CF, I want him. Is solidifies our defense and the top of our order. If not I wouldn't mind us making a run at Roberto Alomar as it makes the middle of our IF D incredible, and it gives us a great #2 hitter. Maybe he can teach Harris and or Jimenez somethings about 2B and how to be a champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 The only right move KW could make right now would be combined with a Bekins Truck outside his house not fair steff. hes already making that move....... ask hahn and eddie e what moves they will be making.. since they are the ones who are gonna be making any at all if there are some to be made......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 not fair steff. hes already making that move....... ask hahn and eddie e what moves they will be making.. since they are the ones who are gonna be making any at all if there are some to be made......... He needs to do it faster!! Paul got the move, too. I can't wait to see the waybill in the system. I check daily!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 He needs to do it faster!! Paul got the move, too. I can't wait to see the waybill in the system. I check daily!! LOL lol add a few pounds for good measure....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Is Hahn a guy who will be sticking around if KW leaves? Who brought him in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 He needs to do it faster!! Paul got the move, too. I can't wait to see the waybill in the system. I check daily!! LOL lol add a few pounds for good measure....... No discount off tariff either!! Full price baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Is Hahn a guy who will be sticking around if KW leaves? Who brought him in? dont know if he will be sticking around after the kw departure... hes been here in the asst. gm spot since 2002...he was director of major league admin before that and came here in 2000...before that he was with a law firm that reps. players from mlb and the national basketball association......... cant say i see him filling kw's shoes on his own anytime soon but you never know.. he may be smooching jr's ass as we speak...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 He needs to do it faster!! Paul got the move, too. I can't wait to see the waybill in the system. I check daily!! LOL lol add a few pounds for good measure....... No discount off tariff either!! Full price baby! you go girl ,... leave the thumb on the scale and press down firmly.......lol...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkdog Posted June 30, 2003 Author Share Posted June 30, 2003 Lots of talk about guys like Ponson, Alomar, Castillo, etc. floating around. I think our need centers around help up the middle and and overall team speed. I like the idea of Alomar, but he's got a hefty contract, and his best years may be behind him. His numbers are projecting lower for 2003. I think a deal with the Marlins may have what we need to get over the hump. White Sox to Marlins: Danny Wright Aaron Rowand D'Angelo Jimenez Marlins to White Sox: Juan Pierre Luis Castillo The rationale for this deal is based upon the Marlins desire to reduce salary while being able to keep Mike Lowell. Lowell is going to demand a big payday a year from now, but Castillo's contract is up before his. I don't think the Marlins are going to deal Lowell to anyone - he's a keeper. In addition, the Marlins have lost three of thier frontline starters and would likely smile on a deal that brought MLB experience to the mound. For the Sox, you get a great pair of table setters for your 3-6 hitters. looking at the stats DJ's number may be similar to Castillo, but I think the intangible of DJ's laziness/lack of concentration cant be ignored. Plus I love Pierre, he's a real leadoff hitter and an improvement in CF. I love Rowand and his hustle, but we need contact and speed at the top of the lineup. In this deal I also thought about Willie Harris as a substitue for DJ or Rowand, but if Castillo departs in 2004, you still have Willie who then can play 2B, and it allows you to bring up Miles in 2004 to compete with him for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Lots of talk about guys like Ponson, Alomar, Castillo, etc. floating around. I think our need centers around help up the middle and and overall team speed. I like the idea of Alomar, but he's got a hefty contract, and his best years may be behind him. His numbers are projecting lower for 2003. I think a deal with the Marlins may have what we need to get over the hump. White Sox to Marlins: Danny Wright Aaron Rowand D'Angelo Jimenez Marlins to White Sox: Juan Pierre Luis Castillo The rationale for this deal is based upon the Marlins desire to reduce salary while being able to keep Mike Lowell. Lowell is going to demand a big payday a year from now, but Castillo's contract is up before his. I don't think the Marlins are going to deal Lowell to anyone - he's a keeper. In addition, the Marlins have lost three of thier frontline starters and would likely smile on a deal that brought MLB experience to the mound. For the Sox, you get a great pair of table setters for your 3-6 hitters. looking at the stats DJ's number may be similar to Castillo, but I think the intangible of DJ's laziness/lack of concentration cant be ignored. Plus I love Pierre, he's a real leadoff hitter and an improvement in CF. I love Rowand and his hustle, but we need contact and speed at the top of the lineup. In this deal I also thought about Willie Harris as a substitue for DJ or Rowand, but if Castillo departs in 2004, you still have Willie who then can play 2B, and it allows you to bring up Miles in 2004 to compete with him for the job. I like the rationale behind this deal.......and I would do it in less than the time it takes old roman to have sex with 15 girls in school on top of the lunch lady......however I think that the Marlins would want to substitute Garland for Wright....and I wouldnt be willing to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Kw still here and that scares me BAD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 and I would do it in less than the time it takes old roman to have sex with 15 girls in school on top of the LUNCH LADY......however I think that the Marlins would want to substitute Garland for Wright....and I wouldnt be willing to do that. Thanks murc. I might never have sex again. :puke And if they wanted Garland instead of Wright, Id still do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Lots of talk about guys like Ponson, Alomar, Castillo, etc. floating around. I think our need centers around help up the middle and and overall team speed. I like the idea of Alomar, but he's got a hefty contract, and his best years may be behind him. His numbers are projecting lower for 2003. I think a deal with the Marlins may have what we need to get over the hump. White Sox to Marlins: Danny Wright Aaron Rowand D'Angelo Jimenez Marlins to White Sox: Juan Pierre Luis Castillo The rationale for this deal is based upon the Marlins desire to reduce salary while being able to keep Mike Lowell. Lowell is going to demand a big payday a year from now, but Castillo's contract is up before his. I don't think the Marlins are going to deal Lowell to anyone - he's a keeper. In addition, the Marlins have lost three of thier frontline starters and would likely smile on a deal that brought MLB experience to the mound. For the Sox, you get a great pair of table setters for your 3-6 hitters. looking at the stats DJ's number may be similar to Castillo, but I think the intangible of DJ's laziness/lack of concentration cant be ignored. Plus I love Pierre, he's a real leadoff hitter and an improvement in CF. I love Rowand and his hustle, but we need contact and speed at the top of the lineup. In this deal I also thought about Willie Harris as a substitue for DJ or Rowand, but if Castillo departs in 2004, you still have Willie who then can play 2B, and it allows you to bring up Miles in 2004 to compete with him for the job. I love this idea, and I think it's well within the scope of reality. I think FLA would want another minor-league arm in addition to those guys, which I'd have no problem with. How is Pierre's defense? He can't possibly have an arm, He looks like an anorexic Tom Goodwin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 I think that would be an awesome trade. We strengthen two weak spots in CF and 2B. Who would leadoff? Id definitely say Pierre leading off and Castillo behind him. Pierre has 35 steals and Castillo has 14. Id definitely have Pierre leading off. This would be an awesome trade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkdog Posted June 30, 2003 Author Share Posted June 30, 2003 In response - I don't know if I would be willing to sub Garland for Wright in this deal. I think the upside on Garland is too high, he starting to show why he was a #1 pick. In terms of another minor league arm, I'd consider it but only for a mid-level prospect. If I'm the Sox, I lose Castillo at the end of the season, so I only net Pierre and a compensatoiry draft pick. That draft pick could make of for the loss of the prospect and some of the other players. As for Pierre's defense - from ESPN: Pierre struggled in center field when he first came up, but he has addressed his shortcomings and has worked hard to become a solid center fielder. His arm strength is well below average. He's never going to have a rocket, though he's made strides in quickening his release and getting to balls quicker to slow down baserunners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 It'll never happen, but if the Sox were to acquire both Castillo and Pierre, we would go from being a very slow team to being a rather fast team. If only... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Stewart has only played 8 games in CF in the last 5 yrs, I think Maggs has more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 And who replaces Wright or Garland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Wright Jimenez Rowand for Pierre Castillo ? PIPE DREAM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkdog Posted June 30, 2003 Author Share Posted June 30, 2003 Who replaces Wright (I would not move Garland)? I'd go with Josh Stewart. When it comes to holes in the ballclub, I rather be stronger up the middle and on the basepaths everyday than have a good 5th starter. As for this deal being a pipe dream, it may be. But the Marlins need to make a choice: Castillo or Lowell. My feeling is they want to keep Lowell and would look to reduce salary in other areas to keep him long term and sign him to a extension or in this offseason. At the same time, they're going to want something for Castillo rather than lose him to free agency. In Wright, Jimenez, and Rowand, they address needs in pitching and lowered payroll and fill the gaps left by Pierre and Castillo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Wright and Rowand for Pierre is pretty steep. Stewart just came off the DL and won't be available for a while yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Why would the Marlins want to deal Pierre? Also, the reason for moving Mike Lowell is that they have a replacement ready to go in Miguel Cabrera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 I agree Rex, don't see where they'd be moving him unless you were way overpaying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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