SoxFan1 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 05:02 PM) Are you being serious? That is ridiculous to say. Location on the fastball, back door slider, great change-up, good curveball, and works fast. Yes, I'm serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 05:02 PM) Are you being serious? That is ridiculous to say. If you think that Garland has better stuff than Buerhle then I think you are silly. Jon throws harder yes. but overall stuff, its not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 If the Sox do not re-sign Buehrle due to the NTC, can we then ban any post that states the Sox will try to sign any marquee player like Ichiro, ARod, Zambrano, etc.? in today's day and age, you're not getting a good player in free agency without a NTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Send him back to Charlotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Thome does not hit lefties, but they have the heart of the order up and Thome could easily still make it 5-0. That is beyond inexcuseable to be picked off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 It just makes me sick to think we probably wont be seeing any more of this for the next 4 years because KW wont give in to 18 months of a NTC...i really hope someone rips him a new one at SoxFest next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Neither Garland or Buehrle has textbook great stuff. And if you ask a scout, they'd say Garland has the better stuff. Of course, I'm sure our scouts would tell you Garland throws 94 mph with a dynamite change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 05:05 PM) Location on the fastball, back door slider, great change-up, good curveball, and works fast. Yes, I'm serious. Location and works fast isn't stuff... Mark Buehrle has very mediocre stuff, but with him being such a good pitcher, he gets by on it. I don't disagree with that. But when you look at pure stuff, Garland has the edge, by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 05:04 PM) Do you see me disagreeing with that? Buehrle is what Hawk would call a pitcher. He goes out there, attacks hitters, and gets outs. But if you look at pure stuff, Garland has the edge. Currently 1-9 Devil Rays pitcher Edwin Jackson EASILY has better raw stuff than Greg Maddux ever did in his wildest dreams. Stuff isn't everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 05:05 PM) Location on the fastball, back door slider, great change-up, good curveball, and works fast. Yes, I'm serious. Lets just take their best pitch when its on. Buerhles cutter > Garlands sinker. Buerhles cutter handcuffs righties. Garland doesnt throw a true turbo sinker that just gets groundballs like crazy. They still get the ball in the air a lot on Garland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 jenks in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 10:05 PM) Thome does not hit lefties, but they have the heart of the order up and Thome could easily still make it 5-0. That is beyond inexcuseable to be picked off. It's a given....any game in which we have a lead in the 8th inning, we'll have the runner caught stealing with 2 outs. I forget who keeps saying that on here, but it's so accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linnwood Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 06:07 PM) jenks in What was MB pitch count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 I wanted Mark out there for the complete game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 05:07 PM) the edge, by far. Oxymoron? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 04:06 PM) Neither Garland or Buehrle has textbook great stuff. And if you ask a scout, they'd say Garland has the better stuff. Of course, I'm sure our scouts would tell you Garland throws 94 mph with a dynamite change. I'd tend to agree, there's a reason Garland has been higher rated coming up as a prospect...not necessarily because he is a better pitcher but based on pure stuff it could be argued Garland has better. That has nothing to do on how good of a pitcher they are but im just saying it's 'iffy' to me who would be rated higher on the basis of pure 'stuff' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 04:05 PM) It just makes me sick to think we probably wont be seeing any more of this for the next 4 years because KW wont give in to 18 months of a NTC...i really hope someone rips him a new one at SoxFest next year Wait, it's only 18 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 7, 2007 Author Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(Linnwood @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 05:08 PM) What was MB pitch count? 111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(Linnwood @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 05:08 PM) What was MB pitch count? 111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rishard101 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 All I can say is f*** Kenny Williams. This not resigning Buerhle could eventually cost him is job if this team sucks in the next couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Mark had 111 pitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 05:07 PM) Lets just take their best pitch when its on. Buerhles cutter > Garlands sinker. Buerhles cutter handcuffs righties. Garland doesnt throw a true turbo sinker that just gets groundballs like crazy. They still get the ball in the air a lot on Garland. Agreed. I totally forgot about the cutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 05:08 PM) Wait, it's only 18 months? Everybody keeps debating it, but Buehrle will have been a White Sox for exactly 10 years in July of 2010, at which point he becomes a 10 and 5. So yes, it's a year and a half IMO. And Jenks, if he holds this, would have his 70th regular season save as a White Sox in 78 chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 05:07 PM) Currently 1-9 Devil Rays pitcher Edwin Jackson EASILY has better raw stuff than Greg Maddux ever did in his wildest dreams. Stuff isn't everything. Where did I ever say anything like this? All I am saying is that some teams would rather have Garland because he has better stuff and is a good pitcher. Buehrle is a great pitcher, but with mediocre stuff. I personally think Garland is better overall, but people can make arguements for both. I like them both and would want to keep both. But I am looking at this from a GM's point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 QUOTE(ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 7, 2007 -> 05:05 PM) It just makes me sick to think we probably wont be seeing any more of this for the next 4 years because KW wont give in to 18 months of a NTC...i really hope someone rips him a new one at SoxFest next year Soxfest will be interesting this year. How does an NTC handcuff you on a pitcher that is signing under market. Why is Greg still employed. What is being done in our minor leagues to fix the mess of not preparing our boys to compete at the major league level. What are you going to do to put out the fire brigade of gascans in the pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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