Official Recruiting Thread II

[He_Gawn]

Still boils down to Roth playing four years and also got his MASTERS degree. Bringing up story and bawa is hilarious. We could barely field a team and story was damn good for Nevada.

 

To top it off, Roth wasn't even a Crean recruit. He's so mad at IU, he's already been to half their games.

[RockRaines]

Still boils down to Roth playing four years and also got his MASTERS degree. Bringing up story and bawa is hilarious. We could barely field a team and story was damn good for Nevada.

 

To top it off, Roth wasn't even a Crean recruit. He's so mad at IU, he's already been to half their games.

Right, he loved the program so much he decided to take one for the team, forgo his last year of eligibility and take great job offers and references from the coach who asked him to do this for the program. Makes sense.

[IlliniKrush]

There will be more than one scholarship. They will give out 3 scholarships in the class of 2014 if they can get the guys they want.

They can't unless there are transfers, there aren't any available.

[Boogua]

Not really. Unless they know someone is transferring.

Have you seen him play? Everything people have said has been pretty darn positive. He's ranked above Paul white and Larry Austin by people in state. That means he would grade out to at least a top 75 recruit on a site like scout or rivals.

[whitesoxfan99]

They can't unless there are transfers, there aren't any available.

 

I realize that. If they are able to get the guys they want there will be transfers though.

Edited December 13, 2012 by whitesoxfan99

[Buehrle>Wood]

J Parker looks awful. I know he's hurt.

 

 

 

 

Also, Illinois beat writer said another transfer is happening, so we can continue to recruit and I won't have to complain about Finke too much.

[fathom]

J Parker looks awful. I know he's hurt.

 

Yeah, it's clear that Parker's not close to being fully recovered. Tate looks pretty good with his ball skills and quickness, but I've still yet to see Nunn ever look impressive. He looks like the type of recruit who's usually in the 80-125 range.

Edited December 14, 2012 by fathom

[Brian]

J Parker looks awful. I know he's hurt.

 

 

 

 

Also, Illinois beat writer said another transfer is happening, so we can continue to recruit and I won't have to complain about Finke too much.

 

He hasn't played consistently since August, I believe. He is out of shape and out of sync.

[fathom]

He hasn't played consistently since August, I believe. He is out of shape and out of sync.

 

It's strange, as I always thought Jabari was incredibly overrated. Top 10 player in nation, possibly. But the claims he's the best in the country and one of the greatest high school players of all time seemed insane to me. Now, you're going to have fans across the nation turning on him after the performance tonight.

[Brian]

It's strange, as I always thought Jabari was incredibly overrated. Top 10 player in nation, possibly. But the claims he's the best in the country and one of the greatest high school players of all time seemed insane to me. Now, you're going to have fans across the nation turning on him after the performance tonight.

 

I wouldn't dispute you. 3 state titles in a row but he wasn't the main guy. He was so great as a freshmen and soph that he stood out more for rankings but he hasn't dominated.

Okafor at Young is the best in state. Even if Parker was healthy, he maybe.

[Rex Hudler]

His highlight tapes make him look like Tyler Griffey's clone. Even if he's shot up the rankings, there's still plenty a head of him.

 

 

Probably, just hope it's not an Indiana situation where we start cutting kids.

 

Let me know when they cut the first kid.

[Buehrle>Wood]

Let me know when they cut the first kid.

Did you miss the last few pages of this thread or something?

[Rex Hudler]

No it ends with IU fans getting butthurt and it getting too annoying for anyone to respond. IU signs more players than they have schollys at this point and so far have just worked with convincing older players to go off scholarship. Its the same game thats been played in football for a long time. Nothing illegal about it, but you guys keep being so defensive. Might as well just own it, you are the #1 team in the country until March, so who cares.

 

That's a bunch of crap. Yes, the possibility is there for this to happen, but until it does, your words are nothing but noise. Things work out. Last year the Zeller's agreed to pay to open up a scholarship if needed. It's quite possible things are handled out of the public view.

 

And its not like this doesn't happen elsewhere. Last year Kyle Kuric paid his own way to stay and play at Louisville and he was a starter. To act as if it is sinister without having any substance is a bunch of crap.

[Rex Hudler]

Matt Roth Spoke up until Crean made it clear he would be a good job reference since he is in sports mgmt. Creaning isnt just a bunch of people getting together wishing something would happen to whats been the doormat of the conference for the last 10 years. IU was oversigned for this year so they got rid of a guy. Patterson developed academic troubles all of a sudden, Story, Bawa. You are oversigned next year and are at limit the year after. I'm betting those numbers will round themselves out somehow.

 

Crean plays the numbers game well, its not an NCAA violation but its a real thing. Why not just own it while you are at the top? Football teams have been using "attrition" for decades, the SEC does it in spades. A&M has 35 recruits signed next year and 10 are enrolling early to offset that number.

 

Hell FWIW OSU has scholly restrictions the next few years so Urban deliberately ran a few players off that he thought were dead weight and a few left on their own. Whatever. We were running with roughly 62 scholarship athletes this year.

 

Players leave programs all the time. Sometimes because they aren't happy, other times because the coach tells them they likely won't play. That's a coaches prerogative and it happens all the time. It happens whether scholarship limits are in play or not. So attributing what goes on daily in all sports across the country just because you know the scholarship count is disingenuous. When IU gets in a pinch and does something that seems immoral or unfair, I'll be the first to complain about it. But until that happens, I will go along with the possibility that the coach knows his program and what's going on inside it. You're right it happens. It happens all the time, but it happens every day regardless of scholarship situations.

 

The Matt Roth situation was unique and one I don't have a problem with. Here is a kid that had averaged 3 points a game and was on track to earn a Masters degree (which he did). There was no reason for him or Coach Crean to think he would come back. Sometimes there isn't room for graduated 5th yr seniors. It happens on every football roster in the country. It turns out Matt contributed more last year than expected, which is the only reason anyone cares. If he played 3-5 minutes a game and averaged 3 pts again, no one would have said a word. I say good for Matt and thank you for your hard work. You left IU in 4 years with a masters degree. If he REALLY wanted to play basketball, he still could have. I guarantee you Evansville would have found a spot for him. He knew it was time to move on, but hell the kid in all of us would have loved to played on a team with such high expectations. I just don't think there would have been much, if any, PT for him this year anyway.

 

So wake me up with something happens that is actually worth discussing in this regard.

[Rex Hudler]

Did you miss the last few pages of this thread or something?

 

At that point, I had not read it all. However my point remains. Let me know when they outright cut a kid. Matt Roth is a special situation. I have no problem with how that was handled. Got any others??

[RockRaines]

That's a bunch of crap. Yes, the possibility is there for this to happen, but until it does, your words are nothing but noise. Things work out. Last year the Zeller's agreed to pay to open up a scholarship if needed. It's quite possible things are handled out of the public view.

 

And its not like this doesn't happen elsewhere. Last year Kyle Kuric paid his own way to stay and play at Louisville and he was a starter. To act as if it is sinister without having any substance is a bunch of crap.

Wake me up when I say it only happens at indiana and is sinister.

[southsider2k5]

I don't know if anyone watched the DeSoto/Simeon game last night. One of the kids from DeSoto was a kid who was born and raised in my hometown and just moved down to Desoto over the summer. #3 Darius Jenkins. He played off of the bench.

[Brian]

Coach K and Groce on hand at Young to see Okafor.

[Rex Hudler]

Wake me up when I say it only happens at indiana and is sinister.

 

Seems reasonable enough. Like it or not, roster management in either sport is not going away. I get a little touchy when others make it sound like Crean is crooked as hell and treats kids terribly when there is no evidence to believe as much. You didn't argue it that way. I'll give you that.

[RockRaines]

Seems reasonable enough. Like it or not, roster management in either sport is not going away. I get a little touchy when others make it sound like Crean is crooked as hell and treats kids terribly when there is no evidence to believe as much. You didn't argue it that way. I'll give you that.

No, he's just one of the best at it. Some coaches deal with one and dones (Crean will shortly) and some just sign HUGE recruiting classes and they work. This has been going on in football for a LONG time, in bball in the Big Ten, Crean is one of the first and definitely the best at it right now.

 

It's within the rules and its super smart. Your roster in college bball turns over about 4-5 kids a year. Why not just sign and sign and sign and if kids are exhausted as far as education or playing time goes let them leave. Unfortunately Matta is letting really good players leave instead of crap talent. He also hasnt recruited s*** until the 2014 class. Its a bad strategy.

Edited December 15, 2012 by RockRaines

[He_Gawn]

I think the other huge variable to look at here is that Crean has the advisors set up a 3 year plan for kids to graduate, instead of the regular four. That locked down Vonleh and his mom the instant they got to Bloomington. Hulls and Elston are in grad school right now. Oladipo and Sheehey will be finished with their bachelors this May. Zeller will be done in 2.5 this coming summer in one of the best business schools in the country. He's not only going after elite talent, he's going after elite students (a lot of kids are coming in with tons of credits, Zeller came in with something like 30+) that are willing to take a boatload of classes in the summer and be put on the fast track. It's actually a really smart strategy, if you have the student athletes to maintain it, which is sure looks like he does judging by the team GPA.

Edited December 15, 2012 by He_Gawn

[Rex Hudler]

No, he's just one of the best at it. Some coaches deal with one and dones (Crean will shortly) and some just sign HUGE recruiting classes and they work. This has been going on in football for a LONG time, in bball in the Big Ten, Crean is one of the first and definitely the best at it right now.

 

It's within the rules and its super smart. Your roster in college bball turns over about 4-5 kids a year. Why not just sign and sign and sign and if kids are exhausted as far as education or playing time goes let them leave. Unfortunately Matta is letting really good players leave instead of crap talent. He also hasnt recruited s*** until the 2014 class. Its a bad strategy.

 

I agree. That said, I will be much less quick to defend if I think legitimate kids are getting run off against their will. The problem is, it's never crystal clear. Sometimes a player needs to be shown the door. Whether the talent isn't there to play or they aren't putting in the work the others are, there are a myriad of reasons. Sometimes its in the kids best interest to go elsewhere and a fresh start is good for them. The kid may not realize that. I've seen some of that personally in the past. Outward appearances make it look worse when you have kids signed to come in and take their place.

[Rex Hudler]

I think the other huge variable to look at here is that Crean has the advisors set up a 3 year plan for kids to graduate, instead of the regular four. That locked down Vonleh and his mom the instant they got to Bloomington. Hulls and Elston are in grad school right now. Oladipo and Sheehey will be finished with their bachelors this May. Zeller will be done in 2.5 this coming summer in one of the best business schools in the country. He's not only going after elite talent, he's going after elite students (a lot of kids are coming in with tons of credits, Zeller came in with something like 30+) that are willing to take a boatload of classes in the summer and be put on the fast track. It's actually a really smart strategy, if you have the student athletes to maintain it, which is sure looks like he does judging by the team GPA.

 

Read the other day where every player that has stayed at IU and not transferred out during the Crean era has graduated. It was 39-39 or something like that. That doesn't mean all these kids are Rhodes Scholars or budding theoretical physicists, but it at least tells me the kids are getting the full college experience (i'm assuming the girls and parties automatically!) rather than just treated like visitors who happen to play basketball. That doesn't make IU different than many other schools, it's just better than having say 24-39 graduate.

[farmteam]

IU got Noel Padmore, a 3-star (Scout) CB out of Florwery Branch, GA, the same high school as the LB they got earlier, Kristopher Smith.

[Rex Hudler]

Michigan football got two 4-star commits today, OL David Dawson and CB/S Delano Hill. Dawson is a re-commit from earlier who had de-committed and flirted with Florida and other schools. Hill, a former Iowa commit picked up a recent Michigan offer.