VAfan Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 All I was able to watch last night was the lineup introductions, but it just totally bummed me out. Why? Because a lot of teams have very young, promising ballplayers playing well enough to be in the All-Star game. What do we have in that department? Zilch. Think of the Sox' position prospects at the moment. Do we have even a single position player that is ever likely to play in even a single All-Star game? Josh Fields? Anyone else? (I'm not talking pitchers.) Those of you more familiar with the guys we have in the minors, please give me some hope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 Jon Garland could very well bring us that young, studly position prospect you so desperately seek. Of course, so could a 62-100 record this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 11, 2007 -> 10:18 PM) Jon Garland could very well bring us that young, studly position prospect you so desperately seek. Of course, so could a 62-100 record this season. *cough*Pedro Alveras*cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 Kalapse, who's Pedro Alvarez' agent? (I'll be surprised if it isn't Boras.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 It definitely does look bleak unless guys return to the form of a year ago. Iguchi, Thome, Konerko, Crede, Dye, AJ still have all star possibilities. They are having bad years, but are they done? That's doubtful. Jenks, Mark, Garland. I'm agreeing it looks bad now, but is it one bad year or will these guys revert to all star form? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 Aaron Rowand will make it for the Sox next year. Don't flame. Let me dream. You have a good point. The position prospects do not appear to be future all stars, but I'll leave that evaluation to the Future Sox crew. Thats what you get when you draft all of that pitching. Fortunately, the pitching can be traded for other team's position prospects that could make the all star team. Also, it is much less risky to sign high talent position free agents than pitchers. With the cost of high profile free agents routinely in double digit millions, it would be a wise investment to hire a greater number of more talented scouts. An all star making 400,000 can do a lot to help a team succeed. It's worth the investment in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 The ex Sox wasnt the only reason I DIDNT watch-thats bad enuf. I just couldnt endue a Barry Bonds love fest- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Jul 12, 2007 -> 09:33 AM) The ex Sox wasnt the only reason I DIDNT watch-thats bad enuf. I just couldnt endue a Barry Bonds love fest- I think the Ex-Sox should be a feather in the cap of the organization. I do not see it as a negative. These are all guys developed by the organization. This is an organization that has been severely maligned over player development by the vast majority of posters on this site this year. Each of the all-stars in question were moved for strategic reasons and the results (with the exception of Rowand) have been pretty good. Would you have paid Magglio after the surgery/Boras debacle? Would you rather have had Magglio and his hernia in RF in 2005 or Jermaine Dye? Do you really think Carlos Lee and his lack of defense merit the contract the Astros gave him? Would he have signed for less money to stay with the Sox? I do not think so. The only guy I wish the Sox still had was Rowand and that is only because I did not think it was a good trade overall, no matter what Thome's OBP is. The fact is, it is an honor to have all these players that came through our system do well in the majors. This is not like the old Expos who were the farm team for all the big budget teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted July 12, 2007 Author Share Posted July 12, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Jul 12, 2007 -> 12:26 AM) It definitely does look bleak unless guys return to the form of a year ago. Iguchi, Thome, Konerko, Crede, Dye, AJ still have all star possibilities. They are having bad years, but are they done? That's doubtful. Jenks, Mark, Garland. I'm agreeing it looks bad now, but is it one bad year or will these guys revert to all star form? Only Joe Crede is on the right side of 30, and everyone believes his days as a Sox player are numbered. So far, no one has offered any names. If you know who they are, I'm asking if there is anyone (non-pitcher) going down through AAA, AA, to A-ball or Rookie league. Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 12, 2007 -> 11:27 AM) Only Joe Crede is on the right side of 30, and everyone believes his days as a Sox player are numbered. So far, no one has offered any names. If you know who they are, I'm asking if there is anyone (non-pitcher) going down through AAA, AA, to A-ball or Rookie league. Anyone? Dude, you quoted a post with a whole list of names, then said that no one offered any names. If you are talking about people NOT with the big club yet, or who just joined this year, then its a silly argument - because there is no telling. Despite what some may say, NO one can tell you of player X at AA ball is going to be an all star. Most here would agree that the organization is definitely lacking in position player prospects. But the all star game isn't really a good measure to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 12, 2007 -> 02:30 PM) Dude, you quoted a post with a whole list of names, then said that no one offered any names. If you are talking about people NOT with the big club yet, or who just joined this year, then its a silly argument - because there is no telling. Despite what some may say, NO one can tell you of player X at AA ball is going to be an all star. Most here would agree that the organization is definitely lacking in position player prospects. But the all star game isn't really a good measure to use. Yep. And there is always that if someone plays just good enough to get into the voting, we all know what we can do with that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted July 13, 2007 Author Share Posted July 13, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 12, 2007 -> 03:30 PM) Dude, you quoted a post with a whole list of names, then said that no one offered any names. If you are talking about people NOT with the big club yet, or who just joined this year, then its a silly argument - because there is no telling. Despite what some may say, NO one can tell you of player X at AA ball is going to be an all star. Most here would agree that the organization is definitely lacking in position player prospects. But the all star game isn't really a good measure to use. First, I asked about youth. That disqualifies all of the names that were quoted, except Crede. And how many years with the Sox does Crede have left? One? If that? Second, yes, I'm asking if anyone thinks we have a single POTENTIAL all-star position player in the minors, since we don't have any young ones on the club (other than possibly Fields, who I listed myself). I'll name you one we HAD, but traded -- Chris Young. Do we have any others? It's not that hard of a question if you know the players in our system. I'm asking because I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 13, 2007 -> 10:12 AM) First, I asked about youth. That disqualifies all of the names that were quoted, except Crede. And how many years with the Sox does Crede have left? One? If that? Second, yes, I'm asking if anyone thinks we have a single POTENTIAL all-star position player in the minors, since we don't have any young ones on the club (other than possibly Fields, who I listed myself). I'll name you one we HAD, but traded -- Chris Young. Do we have any others? It's not that hard of a question if you know the players in our system. I'm asking because I don't. I don't know our system as well as others, but I do see quite a few players who might become all star-caliber players. But I think, again, you just can't tell. You can see talent, skills, tools, work ethic, results, strengths and weaknesses, etc. Look at numbers, look at scouting reports. But its all guessing, especially as you go down the system to the really young players. And Chris Young is a perfect example. Future all star? No telling, but I'd say probably not. He might be though. He sure is talented, but he is also hitting .233 and striking out 4 times as often as he walks. So he is a big question mark, and that is a player who is currently playing MLB! I'd focus on an acquiring an abundance of talent and skills - something the system definitely lacks right now in position players. Players with big time tools, high potential, and solid work ethics. Those are your best bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxMatt Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 I dont want to get off topic but I was pissed Leyland didnt play guys from the teams that had 1 rep and are struggling like Meche (KC), Young (TEX), Jenks (CWS) and Rios was on the field for 1 batter (tor) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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