Balta1701 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 11:06 AM) I bet I know what this: Was. Very classy. He's going to be shipped out soon, if not as part of a larger deal, then in exchange for whatever they can get for him. Hey, as far as he's concerned, if this team isn't going to play him, the sooner he can get them to dump him on someone else, the sooner he can get at bats and a chance to actually do something, so at this point, I think it's hard to be surprised by him lashing out. Edited October 30, 2007 by Balta1701 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Going to the press is a good way to get moved. Its also a good way to get us s*** for talent back. What a waste of a number one pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 What a douche. I wouldn't give him the chance; keep him in AAA and lose him to mlFA. It's not like you're getting s*** back for him at this point anyways, may as well make his dumbass pay for it for being a moron and lashing out, because last I checked, he was still under White Sox control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 02:06 PM) I bet I know what this: Was. Very classy. He's going to be shipped out soon, if not as part of a larger deal, then in exchange for whatever they can get for him. I'm guessing "my ass". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 QUOTE(Brian @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 10:13 AM) Any word on if Toby Hall had or will have his surgery this offseason? I'm 99% sure that answer is no. He rehabbed instead and will not have the surgery unless he reinjures the arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 04:13 PM) I'm 99% sure that answer is no. He rehabbed instead and will not have the surgery unless he reinjures the arm. Which equals wasted 2008, more Donny Lucy and mediocre at catcher again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 s***, I actually liked Anderson's comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 QUOTE(knightni @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 02:25 PM) Which equals wasted 2008, more Donny Lucy and mediocre at catcher again. Crap. While I think Lucy could be a serviceable backup eventually, he really needs 2008 in AAA before he reaches that point. I was hoping we'd have a healthy Hall, back to his more typical numbers, for next season, then hand the backup reins to Donny in 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Or you cut Toby Hall and sign Yorvit Torrealba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Which equals wasted 2008, more Donny Lucy and mediocre at catcher again. I doubt they'd just eat the contract. While I tend to agree he should've had the surgery, the doctors felt he could rehab it to 100%. Not a surprise he was so ineffective, highly doubtful that short of a rehab period did the job. Hopefully the rehab process is now complete or it will be by March. He's a decent player but they can't have a catcher who can't throw again, nor have another horrible year at the plate. By the way thanks for the advice in the How To section on my link question. On Brian Anderson, frankly nothing he does or says surprises me. His says no one in Sox mgmt. communicates with him, the agent counters it by saying they contacted him (agent). Anderson also admits to throwing a pity party when he got sent down to Charlotte. He seems to have a tendancy to do dumb things. If I were the White Sox, I would tell him: Hey Brian if you don't feel healthy enough to play winter ball, then don't. Come to camp ready to go. We are signing another CF but we aren't just giving you away, not now anyways. You will be playing to get noticed by other teams. We suggest you shut up and work hard. You will be starting in Charlotte, barring injury. When we get approached by another team with a decent deal, we will give you a fresh start. OK Brian, now repeat this back to us so we know you comprehend. P.S. - regardless of whose fault it is, your trade value is bupkis right now. Get your trade value up so you can get a fresh start, have a decent career, and make lots of money so you can attract lots of honeys. See you the end of Feb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 08:32 PM) s***, I actually liked Anderson's comments. There appears to be a rather big communication issue within the organization. Anderson shouldn't have 'whined' about it to the press, but based on what has happened in the past, I'd tend to believe that Anderson hasn't been told a helluva lot so far this winter. FWIW, here's the rest of the quote that wasn't listed in this thread: "I haven't really thought about that. I'm not sure what's going on because nobody [from the White Sox] has contacted me about what's going on. "I'm not a 6-year-old. It would be nice to talk to someone and find out why I'm going there and as to how it will benefit me, instead of someone saying, 'You are going down there,'" Anderson added. "If someone wants to come and tell me something, I can handle it. If I can handle hitting .225 in the big leagues, I can handle getting news that's not too great about me." They told him -- or, at the very least, Ozzie told the media and the fans -- that the guy who had the best spring training would get the OF job. It became evident by April 1st that that wasn't the case. Podsednik was handed the LF job for absolutely NO reason after 'healing up' all Spring Training and Erstad, while performing decently, was given CF despite not performing as well as BA. Again -- I'm not condoning how Anderson has gone about expressing himself over the past couple weeks/months, but I'd tend to guess there's another side to this story that we're not quite getting (the side BA has been hinting at). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 They told him -- or, at the very least, Ozzie told the media and the fans -- that the guy who had the best spring training would get the OF job. It became evident by April 1st that that wasn't the case. Podsednik was handed the LF job for absolutely NO reason after 'healing up' all Spring Training and Erstad, while performing decently, was given CF despite not performing as well as BA. CWS, This issue seems to be a hot button on this site, there are 2-3 posters who seem to have really strong feelings about how Anderson was screwed last spring. While spring training stats, standing alone, don't mean a whole lot, Anderson had better stats, although in less at bats. Erstad: 80 AB's. .300 average. 4 BB, 14 K's, .329 OBP, 2 stolen bases, 1 caught stealing. Anderson: 52 AB's. .308 average. 8 BB, 8 K's. .393 OBP, 2 stolen bases, 2 caught stealing. It all depends how "performance" is defined, especially in spring training. Anderson fans (Erstad haters?) don't want to hear it, but working hard, watching film, staying late, getting in early, helping teammates, demeanor, professionalism, and other intangibles are factored in. I was there and heard/saw a lot. Not that what I heard/saw means much. But let's just say Erstad > Anderson in those areas. And it is my opinion, actually strong opinion, that Brian has a habit of digging his own holes. To be frank, the real problem was Sox management relying on either Darin Erstad or Brian Anderson as CF. They badly needed a better combination of talent and intangibles, and they still need it now. I do agree that Erstad had the advantage coming into camp, primarily due to the deep frustration level the management team had with Anderson. If Erstad had totally fallen on his face he wouldn't have gotten the job in CF, at least to start the season. He didn't though, his stats were reasonably close to Anderson's and all the other stuff which can be summed up in two words (work ethic) was exemplary. Some on this site will dismiss all this as nonsense and fluff, that is ok by me, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Oct 30, 2007 -> 04:01 PM) CWS, This issue seems to be a hot button on this site, there are 2-3 posters who seem to have really strong feelings about how Anderson was screwed last spring. While spring training stats, standing alone, don't mean a whole lot, Anderson had better stats, although in less at bats. Erstad: 80 AB's. .300 average. 4 BB, 14 K's, .329 OBP, 2 stolen bases, 1 caught stealing. Anderson: 52 AB's. .308 average. 8 BB, 8 K's. .393 OBP, 2 stolen bases, 2 caught stealing. It all depends how "performance" is defined, especially in spring training. Anderson fans (Erstad haters?) don't want to hear it, but working hard, watching film, staying late, getting in early, helping teammates, demeanor, professionalism, and other intangibles are factored in. I was there and heard/saw a lot. Not that what I heard/saw means much. But let's just say Erstad > Anderson in those areas. And it is my opinion, actually strong opinion, that Brian has a habit of digging his own holes. To be frank, the real problem was Sox management relying on either Darin Erstad or Brian Anderson as CF. They badly needed a better combination of talent and intangibles, and they still need it now. I do agree that Erstad had the advantage coming into camp, primarily due to the deep frustration level the management team had with Anderson. If Erstad had totally fallen on his face he wouldn't have gotten the job in CF, at least to start the season. He didn't though, his stats were reasonably close to Anderson's and all the other stuff which can be summed up in two words (work ethic) was exemplary. Some on this site will dismiss all this as nonsense and fluff, that is ok by me, so be it. But the frustration people have with Erstad is everyone and everyone was predicting not if he was going to go down with an injury but when. I dont care how much a guy works, or is liked. If he cant get out on the field to play enough to be relied on then whats the point. You have a glorified cheerleader with a beard sitting in the dugout. We had 2 of those guys on the team last year. And both went down as predicted. I could care less about Anderson. But when all things are equal, you give the young and healthy kid a shot if he fails then you have Erstad there. The more you play an injury risk, the quicker the law of averages will take its toll. Hopefully we dont make the same mistake again by keeping either Erstad or Pods. If they are on the team, they will wind up starting in some fashion or another. Edited October 30, 2007 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 But the frustration people have with Erstad is everyone and everyone was predicting not if he was going to go down with an injury but when. I dont care how much a guy works, or is liked. If he cant get out on the field to play enough to be relied on then whats the point. You have a glorified cheerleader with a beard sitting in the dugout. We had 2 of those guys on the team last year. And both went down as predicted. I could care less about Anderson. But when all things are equal, you give the young and healthy kid a shot if he fails then you have Erstad there. The more you play an injury risk, the quicker the law of averages will take its toll. Hopefully we dont make the same mistake again by keeping either Erstad or Pods. If they are on the team, they will wind up starting in some fashion or another. It cuts both ways. How bad are Anderson's wrists. Young, maybe. History of good health? No. If Erstad is back (big if and we should find out soon), he will have to accept a reserve role, period. They will not go down that path again, no matter how many fans think Guillen will start him just because he likes Erstad. Also, maybe the Sox management types are a bit different, but they do care how hard a guy works. Anderson's head isn't always on baseball when it's supposed to be. He's been talked to numerous times. Which is why I agree with you on the point about not caring much about Anderson at this point, because he doesn't seem to care enough about being his best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Has so much analysis ever been given to two completely "impact-less" players? Change of direction - would love to see KW keep Kerry Wood in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 So Walk said he would drive to the airport to pick up his replacement huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Get this guy .... NOW!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Rudy The Great re-signed with Texas, a 2 yr. deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Trib reports on free agent status', Cora's competition, and that the Sox have hired a new minor league hitting instructor. People here wanted changes in the Sox organization... they seem to be getting their wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Lemon Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Any chance for Andruw Jones? I like him more than Hunter and Rowand, plus we could maybe trade for a SS/leadoff hitter. Is the Boras factor impossible to compromise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Free agent Glendon Rusch, who sat out 2007 following the diagnosis of a blood clot in his lung, threw for teams on Friday. Scouts from the Twins, Padres, Astros, Royals, Mariners, White Sox, Marlins, Athletics, Reds and Rockies were in attendence to watch Rusch throw about 60 pitches and top out at 86-87 mph. He'll probably throw for scouts one more time before he considers signing a contract for 2008. It's possible he'll get a guaranteed one-year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Padres decline Mackowiak's option for 2008. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/base...mackowiak.0127/ Do the Sox pick him back up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 3, 2007 Author Share Posted November 3, 2007 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Nov 3, 2007 -> 01:30 PM) Padres decline Mackowiak's option for 2008. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/base...mackowiak.0127/ Do the Sox pick him back up? I'd love to have him as a 4th option, especially if the Sox find a young guy to start somewhere in the outfield (ie a Melky Cabrera or someone else). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 ideal bench... Mackowiak, Owens, Loretta, Molina, and if we go with only 6 men in the pen, Ozuna or Bourgeois. I know, never gonna happen, but still! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Sox Fan Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 The big Mack attack could be back? I can see it now...we can't afford Andruw, Jones, or ARow...but we've got Rob back to patrol CF in 2008! Love his attitude, he's a local boy, what's not to like??? Oh, he can't field? But what an attitude!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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