Official Squared Circle Thread

[Kyyle23]

He's just bitter that they didn't pay for all his medical bills despite the fact that he didn't get himself sufficient health insurance.

His career outlived his talent by many, many, many years. His schtick became stale almost immediately.

It sure seemed like TNA was holding him back when they created LAX as a vehicle for him to blabber on and on, gave him airtime every single week with them, and gave them multiple tag title runs.

 

Agreed, Konnan definitely outlived his usefulness every stop he has made in the last 3 places he has been. The only "move" I can ever recall him doing is a back bounce off the ropes into a clothesline, and he couldnt even sell that half the time.

 

Claiming racism is such a copout, TNA didnt hold him back

[Brian]

I don't feel sorry for Konnan. He loaded his body with roids and he was an AWFUL wrestler. I never enjoyed his work. He was lazy and never sold any moves. Just seemed to go through the motions.

[Kyyle23]

Epic Carnival rates their top 10 Wrestlemania's

 

1. WrestleMania III - March 29th 1987, Detroit MI: Sorry, I can't help but still get chills when I think about this event, possibly still to me the biggest and best event in all of wrestling history. 93,173 was the announced attendence, which to this day is an indoor attendence record. There was so much about this show to love - Savage vs Steamboat, Piper vs Adonis, and of course - Hogan vs Andre. This event truly put wrestling and WrestleMania on the map as the premier event in wrestling history.

 

2. WrestleMania X-Seven - April 1st 2001, Houston TX: 67,925 and a great atmosphere in Texas made this a special event, to me the 2nd best Mania of all-time. The Rock vs Steve Austin main event was awesome, and that was just the end of a great night with a solid group of matches - Chris Jericho vs William Regal, Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit, Shane McMahon vs Vince McMahon in a street fight, and of course the memorable TLC match in which Edge and Christian won. A great night only second to Mania III.

 

3. WrestleMania XIV - March 29th 1998, Boston MA: A speical night in which the company used Mike Tyson to push the attitude era over the top. The main was Austin winning his first WWE title vs Shawn Michaels in a classic 20-minute match. You also had Taker vs Kane for the first time, The Rock vs Ken Shamrock, and Triple H vs the late Owen Hart for the European title. A very solid card that came at a time when the company was really gaining momentum.

 

4. WrestleMania VIII - April 5th 1992, Indianapolis IN: A very good card with a double main event showcasing Ric Flair vs Randy Savage and Hulk Hogan vs Sid Justice. The Hoosier Dome also had some solid undercard matches, the best of which was Roddy Piper vs Bret Hart for the IC belt. An early heel Shawn Michaels vs Tito Santana, and Undertaker vs Jake Roberts also were the best on the card. The Flair vs Savage match was very well done, and the title change was a bit of a surprise, while the Hogan vs Justice match which ended with the return of the Ultimate Warrior was a pretty fun match as well.

 

5. WrestleMania XV - March 28th 1999, Philadelphia PA: The first Rock vs Austin match for a main which again, was great. You really could never get a bad Rock vs Austin match in my opinion, so this was very, very good. Plus add in Mick Foley making the three-count, and it was pretty memorable. The rest of the card was okay, Foley beating Big Show by DQ, in a match that was supposed to be to see who would be the ref for the main event, Kane vs Triple H, Sable vs Tori, a heel Shane McMahon vs X-Pac, and a rather bad Taker vs Bossman in a Hell in a Cell which was overlooked. Good card that was clearly defined by the main event.

 

6. WrestleMania XIX - March 30th 2003, Seattle WA: The first real joint-promotion Mania with RAW and SmackDown, as they did the SmackDown side as the main event for the first and only time, with Brock Lesner and Kurt Angle having a very good 21-minute match that had a scary shooting star press that Lesner missed and almost knocked himself out. The final ever Rock vs Austin match, where Rock won was very good, and the Hogan vs McMahon match was well done, with Roddy Piper being a surprise along with Shane McMahon involved after the match. Jericho vs Shawn Michaels was also very good, going 22:33. Interesting enough the match that no one remembers is Triple H as the World Heavyweight Champion beating Booker T. to retain the title. It's the last time HHH won at Mania.

 

 

7. WrestleMania 22 - April 2nd 2006, Rosemont, IL: For an arena with only 17,159, which at the time was a rather small crowd for a Mania, this was one of the hottest crowds I can remember at an event, and their reaction for the main event between John Cena vs Triple H was awesome. It was the first time that a crowd really gave heat to Cena, which now is the "in" thing to do. The Money in the Bank match was very good, Edge vs Mick Foley in a street fight was well done, and about the most confusing part of the night was why the three-way for the World Heavyweight Title between Kurt Angle, Randy Orton and Rey Mysterio was only 9:18, while the Mark Henry vs Undertaker casket match was 9:26. Of course this also leads us to wonder why Shawn Michaels vs Vince McMahon got over 18 minutes. Nevertheless, a good card and good crowd.

 

8. WrestleMania VI - April 1st 1990, Toronto, CA: The night was built around the Ultimate Challenge, with two faces going at it with Hulk Hogan vs The Ultimate Warrior. While the crowd seemed split on the match, the Warrior was supposed to be the next big thing, only to eventually be derailed since he couldn't handle having the belt and Hogan wanting it back. The 22:51 match was pretty good, with a lot of great back and forth, and a memorable ending. The rest of the card was not all that memorable, but the main was so pushed, it didn't matter. Demolition getting the tag belts back and Andre the Giant going face was part of the show, the Roddy Piper-Bad News Brown match was awful, and the mixed tag with Dusty Rhodes and Sapphire vs Randy Savage and Sensational Sherri was okay, but again - it was a mixed tag. Only on the list due to the main event.

 

9. WrestleMania X8 - March 17th 2002, Toronto, CA: The earliest a Mania was ever held, and it was misbooked in that the Hogan vs Rock match was truly the main event, while by the time we got around to Triple H vs Chris Jericho for the undisputed title it was a letdown. There were some other good matches on the card, but Hogan vs Rock really is what drew the card to be one of the better Manias. Rob Van Dam beat William Regal, Taker beat Ric Flair in a no-DQ match, and a medicore match with Steve Austin vs Scott Hall made up the best of the undercard.

 

10. WrestleMania 23 - April 1st 2007, Detroit, MI: Over 80,000 at Ford Field, which was a very cool thing to see, and a card that was very well put together with Batista vs Taker being better than we all throught, and Shawn Michaels vs John Cena was a solid 28 minute match. Then you had the build up with Bobby Lashley vs Umaga, which really was a hair vs hair between Donald Trump and Vince McMahon. Good match with a lot of celeb in it from the word go. Money in a Bank was a sick bump show, which gave the crowd a lot to cheer about from the start, but overall, just 8 matches made you wonder if they booked this show enough.

 

 

discuss

[Brian]

I thought WrestleMania XV was awful. What about WM IV? Elevating Savage to world title status! I loved the tournament and it was the first 4 hour WM, I believe. Or was III also 4 hours?

 

The worst two matches at WM 21 were the two main event matches. Everything on the under card was good. HBK/Angle maybe my favorite WM match ever.

Edited March 23, 2008 by Brian

[Kyyle23]

Whoa, Umaga actually grabbed a mic and spoke tonite. Of course, it was all gibberish(samoan supposedly), but I actually saw him touch a mic

 

 

there has been a Khali sighting. Hopefully the last in a while

[Brian]

Have I mentioned how hot Maria is in HD? Hopefully we are getting a Santino appearance here.

[Kyyle23]

Have I mentioned how hot Maria is in HD? Hopefully we are getting a Santino appearance here.

 

I dont know what happened to Melina, but she looks wierd now

[Brian]

I dont know what happened to Melina, but she looks wierd now

 

She's always been a butterface. Ashley? Ugh. Why not put Mickie in it and hopefully have a decent women's tag at Mania?

[Brian]

JBL/Finlay could be pretty cool Sunday. They will probably lay into each other.

[Kyyle23]

She's always been a butterface. Ashley? Ugh. Why not put Mickie in it and hopefully have a decent women's tag at Mania?

 

I used to think she was pretty cute. But something is just...different now. I think Mickie is really hot though, im glad they finally moved her past the psycho role and into a real personality

 

These 8 - 10 man tag match main events suck

 

 

[MHizzle85]

The Flair/HBK promo last night....insane. RAW needed a show like this because the WM buildup has been kind of weak, IMO.

[Kyyle23]

The Flair/HBK promo last night....insane. RAW needed a show like this because the WM buildup has been kind of weak, IMO.

 

Flair knocked the spit out of HBKs mouth when he slapped him the first time. Both of them looked like they hurt

[Soxfest]

Anyone else notice how different David Flair looked last night from old WCW days?

[Kyyle23]

Anyone else notice how different David Flair looked last night from old WCW days?

 

I did, but then I thought about how different I looked 10 years ago too

[Brian]

The Flair/HBK promo last night....insane. RAW needed a show like this because the WM buildup has been kind of weak, IMO.

 

That was phenomenal.

 

Wonder if this angle could help bring in Reid Flair. I hear he is decent.

Edited March 26, 2008 by Brian

[Gregory Pratt]

Mid-card 4 Life!

 

Credit: ProWrestling.NET

 

- You would be forgiven for thinking Vince McMahon may be upset about Jeff Hardy's inability (once again) to follow the company's drug policy, but that apparently is not the case.

 

One source has claimed that McMahon has been waiting for an incident like this to happen and that suspension of one of the company's biggest stars puts WWE in a strong position if Congress or anyone else questions the company's drug testing policy.

 

Hardy is now destined to mid-card status for life, another source claims, with Vince McMahon not even willing to contemplate future creative plans for the former Intercontinental Champion at this time. The same source also claims that Hardy has cost himself a Spring run with the WWE Title.

 

Get well soon, Jeff.

 

I'm just glad you won't be World Champion.

[The Critic]

The Flair/HBK promo last night....insane. RAW needed a show like this because the WM buildup has been kind of weak, IMO.

I have really enjoyed the buildup to their match.

I like the way they tease both guys as the heel, then go back to the mutual respect, and then have one of them throw another verbal (or physical) jab.

I think they will provide the highlight of WrestleMania, without a doubt.

 

I still want Flair to win, give an "I can't think of a better way to go out" promo, and retire in the ring after the match.

A "run-in" of the boys in the back to join him in the ring for a show of respect would be nice, too.

[Brian]

[Brian]

It's kind of funny to look back at an iconic match like Hogan vs. Andre, and see that the match was only 8 minutes long.

[The Critic]

It's kind of funny to look back at an iconic match like Hogan vs. Andre, and see that the match was only 8 minutes long.

Yeah, Andre's health was so far gone at that point that he couldn't really go much longer than that.

[Brian]

Vince, Trips, and SuperCena on Larry King now.

[The Critic]

New Heyman column from the UK Sun:

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...ticle974227.ece

 

I disagree with him on one major point (and I know you can see it coming) - I think Mayweather, at least in the wrestling realm, is boring as all hell. He can't ad-lib worth half a damn, he's not convincing in anything he says, and he sounds meek even when boasting. I haven't heard him do any "promos" in the boxing world, but he hasn't impressed me in any way, shape or form during the Mania buildup.

 

I agree with Heyman 100% about Show - he seems by all accounts to be a nice guy, and I'm almost always interested in angles he's involved in (the "Big Bossman dragging Show's dead Dad's casket arounf" angle notwithstanding, that was awful).

[Milkman delivers]

New Heyman column from the UK Sun:

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...ticle974227.ece

 

I disagree with him on one major point (and I know you can see it coming) - I think Mayweather, at least in the wrestling realm, is boring as all hell. He can't ad-lib worth half a damn, he's not convincing in anything he says, and he sounds meek even when boasting. I haven't heard him do any "promos" in the boxing world, but he hasn't impressed me in any way, shape or form during the Mania buildup.

 

I agree with Heyman 100% about Show - he seems by all accounts to be a nice guy, and I'm almost always interested in angles he's involved in (the "Big Bossman dragging Show's dead Dad's casket arounf" angle notwithstanding, that was awful).

 

Nothing impresses you, Critic.

 

And I agree, Show's one of my favorites.

[Brian]

In a perfect world, Orton would walk out of the Citrus Bowl as champion. Neither HHH or Cena needs the the title to be over.

 

I know a lot of people don't like Orton, Shadows and I are supporters, but it would make WrestleMania if he was to retain. Nobody would be expecting it and it seems like Orton needs the title for the WWE to do anything with him.

 

I've also always been a fan of heel champions.

 

Title changes at Mania should mean something. It isn't the first reign for either HHH or Cena. The only thing that would make it special is if Orton retained.

 

I have NEVER been an HHH fan. I never thought he was anymore than average in the ring and he isn't particularly entertaining on the mic, especially as a face. "Oh, how funny. He made an inside joke that only internet marks would get it. He so funny."

He has had decent matches with guys who are very good. He has never had to carry anyone to a good match.

 

I am intrigued as to how Show/Mayweather will go.

 

The build up for HBK/Flair has been good, especially this past week. If Flair loses, I still hope for a heel manager role with Orton.

[The Critic]

In a perfect world, Orton would walk out of the Citrus Bowl as champion. Neither HHH or Cena needs the the title to be over.

 

I know a lot of people don't like Orton, Shadows and I are supporters, but it would make WrestleMania if he was to retain. Nobody would be expecting it and it seems like Orton needs the title for the WWE to do anything with him.

 

I've also always been a fan of heel champions.

 

Title changes at Mania should mean something. It isn't the first reign for either HHH or Cena. The only thing that would make it special is if Orton retained.

 

I have NEVER been an HHH fan. I never thought he was anymore than average in the ring and he isn't particularly entertaining on the mic, especially as a face. "Oh, how funny. He made an inside joke that only internet marks would get it. He so funny."

He has had decent matches with guys who are very good. He has never had to carry anyone to a good match.

 

I am intrigued as to how Show/Mayweather will go.

 

The build up for HBK/Flair has been good, especially this past week. If Flair loses, I still hope for a heel manager role with Orton.

 

I do agree that Orton benefits from holding the belt way more than H or SuperC do.

 

H can be funny, but he tries WAY too hard. Agree about the smark remarks.

 

Show/Waste of Money Mayweather will be interesting to me only to the point of seeing if they ask Show to job to an elf.

 

I cannot agree strongly enough about Flair - his mic skills and ability to get involved physically when necessary would make him a Heenanesque heel manager. He's not afraid to look weak when the situation calls for it, either, which is an absolute must for a heel manager. He'd be great.