Brian Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 QUOTE (Mr. Showtime @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 08:20 PM) He was fired. Talk has been stale booking, lower crowds, not seeing more growth in the company. They have been doing PPVs. They need TV to bring in revenue if they wanna grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 QUOTE (The Critic @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 07:28 PM) You sound more positive about the change than most of what I've been reading online. The general feeling seems to be that the "change of direction" may well alienate the ROH crowd, who enjoy the current in-ring style and see ROH as an alternative to the TNA/WWE style of show. Eh, at first I was shocked because I think Gabe is probably one of the best bookers in the business. But after reading that Pearce has been working closely with Gabe over the last few months I think he'll be competent enough to do the job. I'll wait for him to start booking shows before I give judgement. QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 07:43 PM) Any word on why Gabe left? Adam Pearce is from Waukegan. Weird to see him around like he is. Gabe left because Cary Silkin (ROH Owner) was going to go towards more of a booking committee instead of just a main booker. He was going to keep Gabe on but Gabe didn't like the idea. QUOTE (Mr. Showtime @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 08:20 PM) He was fired. Talk has been stale booking, lower crowds, not seeing more growth in the company. The only negative thing i've read at all about Gabe is that he's VERY opinionated. That's the main reason Low Ki has never made a return to ROH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 08:26 PM) They have been doing PPVs. They need TV to bring in revenue if they wanna grow. That was another reason, if they were ever to do a TV show Gabe has been on the record as saying that he could never be able to book a TV program for ROH. Probably why they're going to a committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 08:26 PM) They have been doing PPVs. They need TV to bring in revenue if they wanna grow. The ppv's are pretty worthless. Gabe was someone who really wasn't behind tv because he saw how tv killed ECW. Which in reality it didn't, just most wrestlers saw it as the holy grail and when it failed they we're done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 QUOTE (Mr. Showtime @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 08:33 PM) The ppv's are pretty worthless. Gabe was someone who really wasn't behind tv because he saw how tv killed ECW. Which in reality it didn't, just most wrestlers saw it as the holy grail and when it failed they we're done. I think the PPV's have been pretty good, better than anything WWE/TNA have put out actually. It's just hard to do PPV tapings, especially when they're taped a month or 2 in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Oct 29, 2008 -> 04:29 PM) I think the PPV's have been pretty good, better than anything WWE/TNA have put out actually. It's just hard to do PPV tapings, especially when they're taped a month or 2 in advance. I don't mean the quality or even what they put on the shows. The idea behind them wasn't really to get ppv buys, the idea was folks would see it and then go buy the DVD's. When you have so few people buying the ppv's, and those who do are the hardcore fans, they aren't gaining a new audience. That's the problem, they are at a level, and need something to happen to elevate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I have to admit it.....I HATE to admit it...... ....the Main Event Mafia angle is drawing me in a little bit. I know it's a rehash of the Millionaire's Club vs New Blood angle, I know 3 of the 5 MEM guys can't wrestle worth a good god damn anymore (I'm including Sting in the can't-work section because his matches are all so repetitive and slow these days, only Booker and Angle keep my interest in the ring), but I gotta admit, I'm enjoying the early stages of it. Scott Steiner was a logical choice to join, only because he has to do something and he sure as hell can't side with the youngsters. It was fun to see him attack his Mini-Me during his run-in. I don't know how much shelf life this angle has, but I'm interested to see where it goes next week, and there's not much in TNA I can say that about. The deal with Cage having to join if he loses to Booker at the next PPV could be good, Jarrett not committing to either side lends itself to some possible storylines, Foley could pull a swerve, though I highly doubt it. If Mick did flip, I bet he's got a couple dozen wonderful heel promos lined up and ready to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 QUOTE (The Critic @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 11:35 AM) I have to admit it.....I HATE to admit it...... ....the Main Event Mafia angle is drawing me in a little bit. I know it's a rehash of the Millionaire's Club vs New Blood angle, I know 3 of the 5 MEM guys can't wrestle worth a good god damn anymore (I'm including Sting in the can't-work section because his matches are all so repetitive and slow these days, only Booker and Angle keep my interest in the ring), but I gotta admit, I'm enjoying the early stages of it. Scott Steiner was a logical choice to join, only because he has to do something and he sure as hell can't side with the youngsters. It was fun to see him attack his Mini-Me during his run-in. I don't know how much shelf life this angle has, but I'm interested to see where it goes next week, and there's not much in TNA I can say that about. The deal with Cage having to join if he loses to Booker at the next PPV could be good, Jarrett not committing to either side lends itself to some possible storylines, Foley could pull a swerve, though I highly doubt it. If Mick did flip, I bet he's got a couple dozen wonderful heel promos lined up and ready to go. I agree, I've liked the past few shows. I've always enjoyed faction wars in wrestling. Well, except for some of that 90's WWF stuff. Remember the Union??? Oh my god! As for TNA, I would like it if they just had some more wrasslin on the shows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I woke up at 8 and was flipping around and saw TNA was on and the first segment was the MEM. I may give it a shot. I like a heel Sting at this point with the new look. The only problem I have with the TNA Originals is that they don't have any big names outside of Joe and AJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 1, 2008 -> 08:32 AM) I woke up at 8 and was flipping around and saw TNA was on and the first segment was the MEM. I may give it a shot. I like a heel Sting at this point with the new look. The only problem I have with the TNA Originals is that they don't have any big names outside of Joe and AJ. I like Sting's approach to the angle. He's aligned with heels, and dressing/acting heelish, but he's coming from a standpoint where you can kind of relate to him so he doesn't seem like a full-blown heel. I think it greases the skids for an eventual face flip, like when Joe or AJ finally apologize to him and he can say "that's all I was looking for" and turn on the MEM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 QUOTE (The Critic @ Nov 1, 2008 -> 10:02 AM) I like Sting's approach to the angle. He's aligned with heels, and dressing/acting heelish, but he's coming from a standpoint where you can kind of relate to him so he doesn't seem like a full-blown heel. I think it greases the skids for an eventual face flip, like when Joe or AJ finally apologize to him and he can say "that's all I was looking for" and turn on the MEM. Sting doesn't even wanna be a heel! That's why he does crap like slapping hands with fans on the way to the ring. It's hilarious, Meltzer was talking about how they write him heel promo's and then he goes out there and cuts the promo and omits any of the heelish language. To the point you made, I can see that being the way to get him out of the group for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 QUOTE (Mr. Showtime @ Nov 1, 2008 -> 10:21 AM) Sting doesn't even wanna be a heel! That's why he does crap like slapping hands with fans on the way to the ring. It's hilarious, Meltzer was talking about how they write him heel promo's and then he goes out there and cuts the promo and omits any of the heelish language. To the point you made, I can see that being the way to get him out of the group for sure. Oh, I know he doesn't want to be a heel, he never has. But in this case, I think it adds something to the angle. I thought he was a hindrance to the nWo stuff. The angle would have been better served for him to be the one guy who never joined, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 QUOTE (The Critic @ Nov 1, 2008 -> 10:28 AM) Oh, I know he doesn't want to be a heel, he never has. But in this case, I think it adds something to the angle. I thought he was a hindrance to the nWo stuff. The angle would have been better served for him to be the one guy who never joined, I think. Oh yeah, Sting is a guy who people don't want to boo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 QUOTE (The Critic @ Nov 1, 2008 -> 10:28 AM) Oh, I know he doesn't want to be a heel, he never has. But in this case, I think it adds something to the angle. I thought he was a hindrance to the nWo stuff. The angle would have been better served for him to be the one guy who never joined, I think. WCW continued putting Goldberg in that role at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Nov 1, 2008 -> 11:10 AM) WCW continued putting Goldberg in that role at that time. I never got the excitement around Goldberg. Average worker at best, unable to "tell a story" in the ring, no personality or mic skills. The manufactured "streak" sold him to a lot of people, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 QUOTE (The Critic @ Nov 1, 2008 -> 12:11 PM) I never got the excitement around Goldberg. Average worker at best, unable to "tell a story" in the ring, no personality or mic skills. The manufactured "streak" sold him to a lot of people, though. I liked him back in the day, he just seemed like a complete badass. Not the best but a fun guy to watch in the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Ric Flair confirmed he's going to be filming a reality show with his son Reid. The show is about "two bachelors (Ric and Reid) living together". Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 3-hour RAW tonight, just started. Batista/Jericho in a cage for the main event. Also, Shane and Steph are supposed to address Orton's ultimatum tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 QUOTE (The Critic @ Nov 3, 2008 -> 01:22 PM) Ric Flair confirmed he's going to be filming a reality show with his son Reid. The show is about "two bachelors (Ric and Reid) living together". Ugh. I will turn it off as soon as they show Ric in his undies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 3, 2008 -> 07:59 PM) I will turn it off as soon as they show Ric in his undies. That'll probably be the first shot of the title sequence. A WHOOOOO and an undie shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 3, 2008 -> 06:59 PM) I will turn it off as soon as they show Ric in his undies. You have been looking at Flair in his undies since he started wrestling. Maybe he will do us a favor and wear boxers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Wow, does Mike Adamle ever S.U.C.K. I hope his GM resignation means he's gone from The E for good, but I doubt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Jericho defeats Batista in the cage to regain the World title. BUT SuperCena returns at Survivor Series to challenge for the belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I marked out when Jericho won last night. Definitely thought they would do Cena/Batista II at Survivor Series. Hope they hold it off til Mania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Usually these 3 hour Raws are pretty good...not so much last night. So Cena returns at Survivor Series to get a title shot right away? What's he done to "earn" it? There's no way Cena's losing on his first match back especially since they've been hyping this up over the last few weeks. Which means either he's winning the strap or it's gonna be a craptastic finish for the main event of one of their big PPVs. Why did Batista even win the strap? This just took momentum away from Jericho, IMO. They can't honestly think they've got a good product at the moment...can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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