NorthSideSox72 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 So, I thought there was a Vick thread already, but I don't see it. I am surprised no one has updated or created one, since he has been indicted. Details of the indictment are coming out now. I am soooooo glad this loser is going to go to jail. The whole dog fighting thing is just disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 The details are nauseating. Guilty or not of what he is being indicted of, Vick is clearly by no means innocent. What his involvement was exactly still needs to be determined but I'd be ashamed of having such a human being on my sports team especially as the face of the franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 What a POS Vick is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpy2121 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 I can't believe the poll on ESPN that says only 58% of the people who voted believe he should be suspended now. I thought for sure it would have been 80%/20%. I also can't fathom how someone could treat a living thing like that. There's the one report that he was there when a dog was soaked with a hose and then electrocuted. That's so sick and twisted, I don't know how anyone could even do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 QUOTE(chimpy2121 @ Jul 18, 2007 -> 12:04 PM) I can't believe the poll on ESPN that says only 58% of the people who voted believe he should be suspended now. I thought for sure it would have been 80%/20%. I also can't fathom how someone could treat a living thing like that. There's the one report that he was there when a dog was soaked with a hose and then electrocuted. That's so sick and twisted, I don't know how anyone could even do it. Well, on the suspension, it's not necessarily as open-and-shut as something like Pacman, who had 10 runins with the law before his suspension, or Tank, who was convicted and jailed before his suspension. The government still has to prove their case in a court of law and in their eyes Mr. Vick is required to be treated as innocent until proven. So here's the question; with Vick having no priors, unlike the other guys, what happens if the league suspends him for 8 games or so and then he winds up being found not guilty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 18, 2007 Author Share Posted July 18, 2007 QUOTE(chimpy2121 @ Jul 18, 2007 -> 02:04 PM) I can't believe the poll on ESPN that says only 58% of the people who voted believe he should be suspended now. I thought for sure it would have been 80%/20%. I also can't fathom how someone could treat a living thing like that. There's the one report that he was there when a dog was soaked with a hose and then electrocuted. That's so sick and twisted, I don't know how anyone could even do it. Acording to the article I linked, he wasn't there when that happened, but instead was the one who told someone over the phone to do those things. Which to me, is maybe worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 I'm surprised no one has posted that this isn't a big deal. I am sure there is a segment of the population that doesn't see how this is a crime. Just ask Clinton Portis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpy2121 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2007 -> 02:06 PM) Well, on the suspension, it's not necessarily as open-and-shut as something like Pacman, who had 10 runins with the law before his suspension, or Tank, who was convicted and jailed before his suspension. The government still has to prove their case in a court of law and in their eyes Mr. Vick is required to be treated as innocent until proven. So here's the question; with Vick having no priors, unlike the other guys, what happens if the league suspends him for 8 games or so and then he winds up being found not guilty? Good points, but he isn't without some sort of history. Sure, they're nowhere near PacMan's previous run-ins, but Vick has been involved with flicking off home fans, Ron Mexico, and the "water bottle". I guess I'm really anti-Vick. For me hearing the stuff informants have said is enough to make me want him out of the league for a long time. How does a franchise defend this? Pacman and Tank played a lot, but they weren't the face of the organization. Also, if I was a player, I could not see myself playing with Vick (and he's, the QB, essentially the team leader)after this, and I would think some have to feel that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 18, 2007 -> 02:09 PM) Acording to the article I linked, he wasn't there when that happened, but instead was the one who told someone over the phone to do those things. Which to me, is maybe worse. I think the details are all mixed togther. There are sites reporting he wasn't there, then others reporting he was there for the deaths of 8 dogs in April - one of which was electrocuted. Very sick regardless. This is being reported on CNN: "The indictment also alleges that Vick and his associates "rolled" some of their dogs -- testing them in short fights to determine how well they might fight. Dogs that failed the test were killed, prosecutors said. While most of the dog killings noted in the indictment were allegedly carried out by the other defendants, Vick himself participated in the killings of eight dogs in April, according to the indictment. The animals were killed "by various methods, including hanging, drowning and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground," the indictment said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 http://media.hamptonroads.com/media/conten...indictment2.pdf The court docs. Very disturbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Vick's a total scumbag. I wish someone would put him in a cage and make him get his ass kicked. Hopefully that will happen in prison(but it wont). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 18, 2007 -> 02:39 PM) Vick's a total scumbag. I wish someone would put him in a cage and make him get his ass kicked. Hopefully that will happen in prison(but it wont). yeah seriously i hope this guy gets kicked outa the league...he and his brother are both low life pieces of s*** that are a disgrace to all humans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoota Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 (edited) Msnbc.com reports Vick and 3 others will be in court July 26, which is the first day of Falcons training camp. A Sports Illustrated journalist said today on the Jim Rome radio show that Federal indictments have about a 95% conviction rate. Edited July 18, 2007 by shoota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Well, the Falcons have to do the right thing and cut his ass. He is a piece of crap that should be suspended for at least a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Oh, and Vick's ass got dominated by Maniac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 QUOTE(shoota @ Jul 18, 2007 -> 03:19 PM) Msnbc.com reports Vick and 3 others will be in court July 26, which is the first day of Falcons training camp. A Sports Illustrated journalist said today on the Jim Rome radio show that Federal indictments have about a 95% conviction rate. Even better.... "Between 2000 and 2005, 99 percent of the 435,000 federal criminal defendants prosecuted nationwide were convicted" http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburgh...n/s_464095.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 18, 2007 -> 03:33 PM) Even better.... "Between 2000 and 2005, 99 percent of the 435,000 federal criminal defendants prosecuted nationwide were convicted" http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburgh...n/s_464095.html they appear to have enough cooperative witnesses to make this an open and shut case. Vick was seen not only giving over money to the victors, but also was present during executions and fights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 18, 2007 Author Share Posted July 18, 2007 He'll be convicted. He'll spend a few months in jail. He'll be suspended for the season or most of it. He'll come back for the 2008 season, and we'll have to endure all manner of "character" stories on the sports news outlets of Vick's comeback, how he is remorseful and ashamed and just trying to put it back together, blah blah blah. He'll be mediocre at best on his return, get frustrated within a season or two, and find some new way to be an asshole again. Then he will slowly, kicking and screaming along the way, fade out of the NFL. In 10 years we'll start to hear Gooden-esque stories of his troubles with the law, as he struggles to live outside the world of sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 18, 2007 -> 03:37 PM) they appear to have enough cooperative witnesses to make this an open and shut case. Vick was seen not only giving over money to the victors, but also was present during executions and fights. There's even a comment in the docs about a fellow "kennel" owner getting yelled at for calling out Vick's name during a fight. I just really hope that going after Vick doesn't consume this and that the rest of the assholes get theirs as well. Seems to be a lot of folks involved over 8 states. I never would have guessed this was so big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoota Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 18, 2007 -> 03:38 PM) He'll be convicted. He'll spend a few months in jail. He'll be suspended for the season or most of it. He'll come back for the 2008 season, and we'll have to endure all manner of "character" stories on the sports news outlets of Vick's comeback, how he is remorseful and ashamed and just trying to put it back together, blah blah blah. He'll be mediocre at best on his return, get frustrated within a season or two, and find some new way to be an asshole again. Then he will slowly, kicking and screaming along the way, fade out of the NFL. In 10 years we'll start to hear Gooden-esque stories of his troubles with the law, as he struggles to live outside the world of sports. According to a federal lawyer also on Rome's show, if a convicted federal defendant gets a 6-year term, he serves 6 years unlike state convictions. If Vick's convicted to serve a 6-year sentence, he's not getting off after 2 for good behavior. EDIT: With the conditions Vick is dealing with: potential 6-year prison term, ~1% chance of beating his case, he'd be best off minimizing his sentence by taking a plea bargain if one is offered. Of course that admits guilt and Goodall would then likely then suspend him upon release. Edited July 18, 2007 by shoota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoota Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 18, 2007 -> 03:33 PM) Even better.... "Between 2000 and 2005, 99 percent of the 435,000 federal criminal defendants prosecuted nationwide were convicted" http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburgh...n/s_464095.html Wow, that's an impressive rate. With such a successful conviction rate, I'm curious to learn the details of how the 1% beat their cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 18, 2007 -> 03:51 PM) There's even a comment in the docs about a fellow "kennel" owner getting yelled at for calling out Vick's name during a fight. I just really hope that going after Vick doesn't consume this and that the rest of the assholes get theirs as well. Seems to be a lot of folks involved over 8 states. I never would have guessed this was so big. From what I read about that, the man who was "admonished"(read: got his ass beat) is the anonymous participating witness. I bet its the same guy who was blurred out in the ESPN Outside the Lines story a few months ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jul 18, 2007 -> 04:07 PM) From what I read about that, the man who was "admonished"(read: got his ass beat) is the anonymous participating witness. I bet its the same guy who was blurred out in the ESPN Outside the Lines story a few months ago According to the court docs there are 19 witnesses "known" to the grand jury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 QUOTE(shoota @ Jul 18, 2007 -> 03:59 PM) Wow, that's an impressive rate. With such a successful conviction rate, I'm curious to learn the details of how the 1% beat their cases. Can't find any case law to support that 1%. I'd love to know also. Plea deals (als Martha Stewart) count as convictions as far as I can tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 The 1 Percent are probably people who were convicted, indicted or arrested improperly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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