witesoxfan Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 12:11 PM) I dont think the Patriots will win. Right now I think the Colts are better, because if it comes down to who is going to score the most points, my money is on laser rocket arm. Are you serious? The Patriots have scored no fewer than 34 points, and have scored 38 or more 5 times already. And I think the Patriots' defensive struggles are overrated; most of the points they seem to be giving up are in garbage time (the Dallas game as exception off the top of my head). If it comes down to who is scoring more points, I'm gonna go with offensive genius and best wideout core in the league over laser rocket arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 1) Who have the Patriots beat? Really, who have they put up those numbers on that has even a "good" defense? Jets? Bengals? Browns? Phins? Bills? Cowboys? Those are some stout defenses right there. Its not like the Colts havent played a much more difficult schedule and still been able to score over 30 points except for 1 game. 2) Best wr corps? Ill take my Reginald Wayne, Marvelous, Gonzalez, Clark. In my book, Moss> Marvelous, Wayne > Stallworth or Welker, Clark > Watson. I would rather have the Indy corps just because of consistency. 3) Offensive genius? What genius? Throw to Moss in triple coverage like the Dolphins game? Have Stallworth break tackles on a 10 yard pass? How exactly is throwing the ball to Randy Moss genius? I would say Manning has more offensive genius than the Pats. Everyone is slurping them so bad, but who have they beat? I wouldnt be shocked to see Washington beat them next week. With Taylor and Landry you cant just throw the ball into triple coverage and hope that Randy is going to save the day. The Pats are good, just the Colts are better at offense. IMO consistency trumps 6 career games. Its not like the Pats offense was so dominating all the other years Belicheck was there. So why is he such a genius now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 03:16 PM) 1) Who have the Patriots beat? Really, who have they put up those numbers on that has even a "good" defense? Jets? Bengals? Browns? Phins? Bills? Cowboys? Those are some stout defenses right there. Its not like the Colts havent played a much more difficult schedule and still been able to score over 30 points except for 1 game. More like everyone they've played and by tons of points QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 03:16 PM) 2) Best wr corps? Ill take my Reginald Wayne, Marvelous, Gonzalez, Clark. In my book, Moss> Marvelous, Wayne > Stallworth or Welker, Clark > Watson. I would rather have the Indy corps just because of consistency. Man, I like that NE better... let's do this smarter... Moss > Harrison, Wayne > Stallworth, Welker > Gonzalez by a long shot... since those are the WIDE RECEIVERS QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 03:16 PM) 3) Offensive genius? What genius? Throw to Moss in triple coverage like the Dolphins game? Have Stallworth break tackles on a 10 yard pass? How exactly is throwing the ball to Randy Moss genius? I would say Manning has more offensive genius than the Pats. If it ain't broke don't fix it? They score at will all day long. You're points are all incorrect and/or dumb and full of heresay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 (edited) My points are dumb? lol Thats about the worst statement Ive ever seen. First of all, once again the Colts have played a more difficult schedule and have basically scored the same amount of points. How is it "dumb" to say that I think the Colts are the better team? Now to your wr remark, because Indy plays Clark as basically a wr/te he doesnt count? Just because hes listed as a TE, he doesnt count? Clark catches passes last I checked. Just because you want to create a semantics argument by saying "Well clark is a te, therefore does not count as a wr", thats fine, but it really adds nothing to the equation of who is the better offense. If both NE and Indy are going to put 4 receivers out on the field on any given play (NE: Welker, Stallworth, Moss, Watson. Colts: Wayne, Harrison, Gonzo, Clark) why is it unfair to compare those 4 players? Its not like NE gets to go: "Hey Clark is a TE, you cant use him like a WR, its unfair to put him in the slot, or as a split end" No so once again: Moss > Harrison, Clark> Watson, Wayne> either Stallworth or Welker, Welker or Stallworth > Gonzo. Seems like a push to me. Now onto the third point which you conveniently gloss over. Just because this year the Patriots have scored at will in 6 games (yes thats less than half a season) it does not mean that they are better offensively than the team that has arguably been the best offense for the last few years? "In 1998, Minnesota set an NFL record for most points scored in a season (556)" The offensive coordinator was Brian Billick, is he an "offensive genius", or did he just have Randy Moss. The Patriots may be the best team, but they are not that much better than the Colts that you can just say : "Oh the Pats are the best offensive team hands down and you cant even argue it". Lets see what happens this weekend, wont it be funny if the all mighty Patriots lose in the next 2 weeks. Then how dumb will I be? Or will you just make up some nonsensical argument on semantics and say that you didnt ever say that the Patriots were the best team, you just argued against my points, therefore not even putting out your opinion. Must be hard to type all those words and say nothing. Edited October 24, 2007 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 To me people are really trying to debate the whole Pats v. Colts, Brady v. Manning way too much. They both look great so far and have handled the teams they played accordingly.. Pats played the Chargers and Cowboys, Colts played the Jags, Broncos and Titans. There really isnt much reason to debate it considering theyre gonna play in 2 weeks and will more than likely meet again in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 09:29 AM) Hard to disagree with that. I kinda liked Losman, but in the same way I kinda liked Grossman; he just should have been better than he was. Hopefully Edwards turns out a bit better. Can we start the Losman to the Bears talk now or do we have to wait until the end of the season? I started that last week already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 05:45 PM) I started that last week already. We have Losman on the Bears already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 QUOTE(DrunkBomber @ Oct 25, 2007 -> 10:05 AM) We have Losman on the Bears already Except that Grossman won't be back with the Bears in 08-09, and Losman had a QB rating in the mid 80's last season, which was about 12 higher than Rex's last season. Some team will snap Losman up and give him a chance to start. If the Falcons don't draft Brian Brohm for example, they'll probably have a look at J.P. I mean I think he's got the talent to be a NFL QB, and he's pretty unlucky that he got injured and a rookie came in and hasn't put a foot wrong so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 24, 2007 -> 07:07 PM) I mean I think he's got the talent to be a NFL QB, and he's pretty unlucky that he got injured and a rookie came in and hasn't put a foot wrong so far. Well, to be fair, Losman didn't get off to a great start this season even before he got hurt, and while his numbers have been improving, they haven't improved at the rate you'd like to see from a QB. Losman is already 26, 3 years out of being drafted. I mean, he's only 1 year behind Grossman's curve right now, and after 2 seasons of him being set as the QB, you need to see more from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 25, 2007 -> 12:11 PM) Well, to be fair, Losman didn't get off to a great start this season even before he got hurt, and while his numbers have been improving, they haven't improved at the rate you'd like to see from a QB. Losman is already 26, 3 years out of being drafted. I mean, he's only 1 year behind Grossman's curve right now, and after 2 seasons of him being set as the QB, you need to see more from him. The thing is though, Losman was up against 2 of the top defences in the NFL (pretty sure I read that somewhere), and then he got hurt and that's when Edwards came in. So I think if he got the chance to start again this season, he'd put up numbers closer to what he did last season instead of what he's done so far. I think Lee Evans would like him starting, because Losman throws a pretty good deep ball as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I was real high on Losman coming out of college but based on what hes done so far in his career as a pro he isnt what the Bears really need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Anyone know where I can find a regional coverage map to see what game I will be getting at noon on Fox today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Oct 28, 2007 -> 11:32 AM) Anyone know where I can find a regional coverage map to see what game I will be getting at noon on Fox today? http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-08-FOX1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Thank you greatly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 This Giants Dolphins game better be off right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Is it just me or has Urlacher been missing a lot of tackles lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 There is discussion here also http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...amp;#entry23989 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Manning and Archuleta just kill this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 More so Archuleta it seems... and I thought he had a really nice week 1 too along side Mike Brown.... but since than been horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Since I'm not in the Chicago area and can't listen to sports radio or read the papers, are people calling for Turner's head yet? This is a joke. Every offensive coordinator would salivate at the field position the Bears get on just about every drive, and week after week we can't even consistently get in position for f***ing FIELD GOALS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 can we kill the Toss play already? It obviously doesn't work with Benson, and we just lost 6 yards trying to run it with Hester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 3rd and 21, I'm sure the lions safeties will bail the Bears out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Oct 28, 2007 -> 05:31 PM) Since I'm not in the Chicago area and can't listen to sports radio or read the papers, are people calling for Turner's head yet? This is a joke. Every offensive coordinator would salivate at the field position the Bears get on just about every drive, and week after week we can't even consistently get in position for f***ing FIELD GOALS. Griese's late offensive outbursts the last few games have really masked just how awful this offense has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Bradley didn't know what route he was supposed to run on that.... It looked like he chose the right one, but Griese made Grossman blush with that pass... Surprisingly the Lions' safeties seem unconcerned with the Bears rushing juggernaut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Every Griese interception seems to be a big one in the red zone or returned for a TD. Can we just play Grossman for the first 55 minutes of the game, and then put Griese in for the final 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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