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[Chisoxfn]

I just think he loses his confidence so quickly, and then he starts trying to force the ball or makes bad decisions. He got no help from his wide receivers in the first 3 quarters, but he's been miserable this quarter. My biggest beef though is with Benson....you can argue he'll be the rally starter for the opposition in the last 3 games we've lost.

This game does go a lot difference if the WR's don't f*** Rex over in the first couple quarters. BB dropping the easy TD and another easy catch in the first half (first drive...about a 20 yard gain that puts the Bears on the Dallas 20 or so). THan you have another easy drop during the 2nd drive of the 3rd quarter (a 15-20 yard pass) and at that point Rex panicked and turned bad (prior to this Rex really wasn't bad, although he did miss a couple throws over the middle of the field).

 

The pick on the Moose ball wasn't his fault and to be honest right now I'm overly harsh just because I'm frustrated as hell and well Rex has done nothing to help himself after this game was over (and that was when he threw that INT to Henry which was returned).

 

I just hope going 1-2 shuts the cocky Bears up and gets them to come back and play football with a f***ing attitude.

 

As far as Benson, he has no history of fumbles and this wasn't a fumble (yes it was on the stat sheet but it WAS NOT A f***ING FUMBLE). Problem is the past couple games they have happened.

 

I want to see Bradley starting out there and Benson getting 30 f***ing carries next week against the Pack (screw Adrian Peterson's horrid blocking self I want Benson Benson and more f***ing Benson).

[whitesoxfan101]

Bradley will get hurt anyways............this team just isn't that good, and teams with an offense will kill us everytime. GB is not gonna be easy to catch.

[fathom]

Bradley will get hurt anyways............this team just isn't that good, and teams with an offense will kill us everytime. GB is not gonna be easy to catch.

 

At this point, I just want them to make the postseason.

[Brian]

As far as Benson, he has no history of fumbles and this wasn't a fumble (yes it was on the stat sheet but it WAS NOT A f***ING FUMBLE). Problem is the past couple games they have happened.

 

I thought the refs whistled the play dead when the ball came out. If it wasn't a fumble, the refs would of saw it on the challenge. I couldn't tell. Cedric needs to be stronger with the ball, no matter what.

[Steve9347]

I want to see Bradley starting out there and Benson getting 30 f***ing carries next week against the Pack (screw Adrian Peterson's horrid blocking self I want Benson Benson and more f***ing Benson).

 

Two things... I couldn't agree more with both points... and also I am 100% certain NEITHER will happen anytime soon. This coaching regime has proven one thing over their time... they are f***ing stubborn.

 

As for tonight, I'm all for benching Berrian. This WR corp is a joke and gets zero separation. I don't see how the coaching staff doesn't go two TE (the only two who manage to make a play) the rest of the year. Moose has lost a step, Berrian thinks is 2004 and drops are OK, and Bradley is the 4th WR on a team without any legitimate options. We're not as bad as we played tonight, but we made fools out of ourselves boys.

 

Oh, and having 5 starters on defense (from TC break) out of the game is going to catch up to us... and it did.

 

Rex... give me Greise.. his career 85 QB rating looks a lot better than Rex right now.

[fathom]

It's great hearing Jim Miller on Comcast analyze what's wrong with the team. Too many idiotic members of the media will go the easy route and just blame it on Rex.

[knightni]

If Lovie doesn't play Greise next week, he doesn't deserve to coach this franchise.

 

Defenses know Grossman's tendencies better than he does.

 

 

[Brian]

As for tonight, I'm all for benching Berrian. This WR corp is a joke and gets zero separation.

 

Really? I see Berrian getting seperation consistently, just a matter if he can hold onto the ball or not.

[Flash Tizzle]

Listening to Jim Miller on CSN Sports Net, I've really enjoyed his analysis of the Bears game. He's done a great job this season identifying issues on offense. Especially educating the viewers (including myself) who aren't familar with WR routes and may initially blame Grossman for an INT or incompletion.

Edited September 24, 2007 by Flash Tizzle

[fathom]

Did the Bears even try one deep pass the whole game? That was their bread and butter big play last year.

Edited September 24, 2007 by fathom

[SoxAce]

Jim Miller is not the long term solution of course, but jesus this team is getting old (Urlacher can't be in his prime forever) and we are in a must win NOW. Hell, I'd REALLY rather see Orton in there who at least manages the game better and is younger even if he isn't the long term either.

[Steve9347]

Really? I see Berrian getting seperation consistently, just a matter if he can hold onto the ball or not.

 

Dude, he got separation 3 times tonight, and dropped the ball twice. f*** him.

 

This is something that should have been addressed in the offseason... through Romo is the king of deflecting the pass rush, Rex could have had a comparable game had his receivers played the same way as Big D's.

 

FYI, I don't think Rex is HALF the QB of Romo, tonight proved to me that Romo is here to stay. What a find for Dallas.

Edited September 24, 2007 by Steve9347

[Flash Tizzle]

It's great hearing Jim Miller on Comcast analyze what's wrong with the team. Too many idiotic members of the media will go the easy route and just blame it on Rex.

I didn't even see you post this.

 

He's been a great addition. Certaintly better than Azuma.

[Flash Tizzle]

Where's our Romo?

[knightni]

Listening to Jim Miller on CSN Sports Net, I really enjoy his analysis of the Bears game. He's done a great job this season identifying issues on offense. Especially educating the viewers (including myself) who aren't familar with WR routes and may initially blame Grossman.

 

In order for the WRs to catch about a third of Grossman's passes, they would have had to be

 

#1 in a trench for the worm-burner throws

 

#2 In the stands for thetimes he threw the ball away

 

#3 On the sidelines for when he threw it out ofbounds over their heads

 

#4 Underneath Grossman on the ground for everytime he got sacked because he never tries to move around in the pocket

 

[Gene Honda Civic]

Did the Bears even try one deep pass the whole game? That was their bread and butter big play last year.

One, the double-move that BB dropped.

[IlliniKrush]

Turner=Ozzie

[Chisoxfn]

Two things... I couldn't agree more with both points... and also I am 100% certain NEITHER will happen anytime soon. This coaching regime has proven one thing over their time... they are f***ing stubborn.

 

As for tonight, I'm all for benching Berrian. This WR corp is a joke and gets zero separation. I don't see how the coaching staff doesn't go two TE (the only two who manage to make a play) the rest of the year. Moose has lost a step, Berrian thinks is 2004 and drops are OK, and Bradley is the 4th WR on a team without any legitimate options. We're not as bad as we played tonight, but we made fools out of ourselves boys.

 

Oh, and having 5 starters on defense (from TC break) out of the game is going to catch up to us... and it did.

 

Rex... give me Greise.. his career 85 QB rating looks a lot better than Rex right now.

Berrian's drops hurt but he is by far and away the best WR on this squad. Benching him would be horrid. Moving Moose to the slot position with Bradley getting tons of snaps (especially in passing situations) is necessary. Getting Benson more carries is also key because he's a workhorse type back. Stop splitting time and just give him the ball and keep giving it to him.

 

Either he fails or succeeds but either way the Bears will at least know what they got (and for the record I Think he will succeed).

[Flash Tizzle]

In order for the WRs to catch about a third of Grossman's passes, they would have had to be

 

#1 in a trench for the worm-burner throws

 

#2 In the stands for thetimes he threw the ball away

 

#3 On the sidelines for when he threw it out ofbounds over their heads

 

#4 Underneath Grossman on the ground for everytime he got sacked because he never tries to move around in the pocket

I'm not completely absolving Grossman of blame. Although there have been numerous passes dropped or interceptions made from missed routes by an absolutely horrendous WR core.

 

Grossman, under ideal conditions, is probably an average quarterback. Problem is he doesn't have the weapons or the protection to succeed. Any change made at QB is just to put out a new face, because no one could possibly see Griese or Orton as an improvement.

Edited September 24, 2007 by Flash Tizzle

[Chisoxfn]

Listening to Jim Miller on CSN Sports Net, I've really enjoyed his analysis of the Bears game. He's done a great job this season identifying issues on offense. Especially educating the viewers (including myself) who aren't familar with WR routes and may initially blame Grossman for an INT or incompletion.

THe more I think about it the more Rex needs to be back. Michaels and Madden brought up a good point and the thing is if you get rid of Rex you are quitting for good on him and going to Griese who is just a stopgap solution (and that my be enough) but this early in the season I Think you still have to see Grossman (I would completely give up on him if it weren't for so many other guys playing so badly around him and a lot of the things Rex has messed up on actually have been due to the other guys and not really him).

[knightni]

Any change made at QB is just to put out a new face, because no one could possibly see Griese or Orton as an improvement.

 

I see Griese as a solid guy like a Kitna who knows how to make better decisions, can move around in the pocket and keep drives moving.

 

Benson, is too one-dimensional for my tastes. He doesn't seem willing or able to run to the outside at all. He's just a 2.5 yards and a cloud of dust--guy whose career will end like Earl Campbell's if he can't adapt.

[Brian]

THe more I think about it the more Rex needs to be back. Michaels and Madden brought up a good point and the thing is if you get rid of Rex you are quitting for good on him and going to Griese who is just a stopgap solution (and that my be enough) but this early in the season I Think you still have to see Grossman (I would completely give up on him if it weren't for so many other guys playing so badly around him and a lot of the things Rex has messed up on actually have been due to the other guys and not really him).

 

Do you mean bring Rex back next year and re-sign him?

 

I was thinking today, when he finally got healthy a few years ago and played at the end of the year when we lost to Carolina, he looked so promising. He had confidence and a strong arm and would wing the ball all over. It seems that so much was put into his head that he wasn;t used to like the check downs, don't do too much. You can't teach an old dog new tricks, he was brought up in the fun and gun. Maybe the Bears are trying to turn him into a QB he isn't?

 

I don't know. I'm just frustrated and rambling and now gonna go watch the Family Guy season premiere.

[CWSGuy406]

Grossman, under ideal conditions, is probably an average quarterback. Problem is he doesn't have the weapons or the protection to succeed. Any change made at QB is just to put out a new face, because no one could possibly see Griese or Orton as an improvement.

 

At this point I think you need to change to Griese for the same reason that I've wanted Walker canned -- not so much that it will make a big difference, but more for "why the hell not?"s sake.

 

And I also agree about going more double tight-end sets. Why the hell was Olsen only on the field for a fifth (?) of the snaps? Clark has been this team's only consistent offensive threat for the past year-and-a-half, and Olsen appears to be the same. Go double-tight end as often as possible.

 

This is team is an absolute mess right now. Next week should be great, too -- if TO can shred our defense, what the hell is Babich going to do about CJ and Roy Williams? Have fun with that.

 

One more thing -- I don't know if this was mentioned, but the defensive line was abysmal tonight -- absolutely NO pressure and when they did get pressure, they missed the tackle.

[SoxAce]

FYI, I don't think Rex is HALF the QB of Romo, tonight proved to me that Romo is here to stay. What a find for Dallas.

 

Not even close. And it's crazy cuz he came out of our own backyard. He's basically the Football version of Curtis Granderson. Wasn't even drafted and he already miles away better than Grossman.

[Chisoxfn]

Do you mean bring Rex back next year and re-sign him?

 

I was thinking today, when he finally got healthy a few years ago and played at the end of the year when we lost to Carolina, he looked so promising. He had confidence and a strong arm and would wing the ball all over. It seems that so much was put into his head that he wasn;t used to like the check downs, don't do too much. You can't teach an old dog new tricks, he was brought up in the fun and gun. Maybe the Bears are trying to turn him into a QB he isn't?

 

I don't know. I'm just frustrated and rambling and now gonna go watch the Family Guy season premiere.

No, I mean have another start. By all means I'm not in any way shape or form confident enough in Rex to say he shoudl be back next year. He'll have to prove that in the next couple games (starting with next week because if he doesn't he won't be starting anymore).

 

And I do think a main thing that has gotten to Rex is that a couple of those games, mixed with the media, got him to change who he was (and with that he's lost his confidence and now questions his throws before he makes him). He needs to go back out and have fun on the field and unfortunately I don't know if he'll be able to do it in Chicago. Still, when you watch him in terms of making the throws, he really can make all of them.

 

His main weakness to me (nope, not gonna say picks) is his inablility to be able to move laterally and feel the pass as well as his inability to read defenses before the play and make quick adjustments to them (both audibles or just quickly reading the play and hitting the short quick play to a guy thats open due to a mis-coverage or poor scheme). You see good QB's do that and I rarely if ever see Rex do it.

 

However, I see Rex throw more on the money out passes than about any QB in the league (and I consider an out pass the toughest throw to make in the NFL). Usually he's good over the middle (as long as he can step up) and throws a good deep ball (very accurate, although sometimes he will get pick but thats part of going deep).

 

Hell this season, I can say most of his INT's (I can't even tell you about the last one he threw in tonights game cause I had already given up and was zoning out of the game) this season were not even his fault (Sans the screen pass).

 

Oh and for anyone to b**** at him for throwing out of bounds, your an idiot. He throws out of bounds when there is nothing there and I want him to do that 100% of the time.