JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 (edited) that everyone always talks about how tough the AL Central division is and people on here always talking about how the white sox have no chance to compete in this division with teams like Cleveland, Detroit, and Minnesota...well, relatively speaking, games against AL Central opponents this year hasn't been the problem (20-18 record), the problem has been with teams in the AL East (13-16, which I really don't understand considering there are only 2 good teams in that division) and even worse still interleague play (4-14, that's just awful) and here's a fun stat: the White Sox are 13-7 this year in games that Scott Podsednik gets 2 or more at-bats. I don't think it is a coincidence over the last 3 years that when he plays this team is much more successful, just sayin Edited July 26, 2007 by JUSTgottaBELIEVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 20/102 = 19.6% Game set match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I don't think that the Central is going to be a juggernaut again next year. The Tigers don't have nearly the same degree of pitching that they did last year and the Indians and Twins also lack pitching depth. It'll be a competitive division, but I don't see it taking 96-99 victories to win it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan77 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I don't think that the Central is going to be a juggernaut again next year. The Tigers don't have nearly the same degree of pitching that they did last year and the Indians and Twins also lack pitching depth. It'll be a competitive division, but I don't see it taking 96-99 victories to win it. Twins lack pitching depth.. Santana,Garza,Lirano,Boonser...Man, That just sucks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 26, 2007 Author Share Posted July 26, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan77 @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 05:35 PM) Twins lack pitching depth.. Santana,Garza,Lirano,Boonser...Man, That just sucks.. yea i dont know about the twins but i do know that cleveland lacks pitching depth, despite all these so-called young arms they supposedly have even though sowers is one of those and he just sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 26, 2007 Author Share Posted July 26, 2007 mike north was finally right about something when he said that the sox need scottie to win...and when he said would start winning again now that hes back i guess only time will tell though 20 games is a small sample size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Spencer Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 The Tigers don't have nearly the same degree of pitching that they did last year and the Indians and Twins also lack pitching depth I sure wish the Sox had the Tiger's problems with pitching Verlander 11-3 Bonderman 10-2 Durbin 7-3 Miller 5-3 Grilli 5-2 Jones 27 saves Seay 2.96 ERA in 36 games and don't forget Zumaya will be back next month. I also wish the Sox had the Tiger's problems with hitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(Jim Spencer @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 06:14 PM) I sure wish the Sox had the Tiger's problems with pitching Verlander 11-3 Bonderman 10-2 Durbin 7-3 Miller 5-3 Grilli 5-2 Jones 27 saves Seay 2.96 ERA in 36 games and don't forget Zumaya will be back next month. I also wish the Sox had the Tiger's problems with hitting after those guys they lack depth though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Jim Spencer @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 06:14 PM) I sure wish the Sox had the Tiger's problems with pitching Verlander 11-3 Bonderman 10-2 Durbin 7-3 Miller 5-3 Grilli 5-2 Jones 27 saves Seay 2.96 ERA in 36 games and don't forget Zumaya will be back next month. I also wish the Sox had the Tiger's problems with hitting Durbin, Grilli and Jones aren't players to envy. I don't think Seay is, either. Edited July 27, 2007 by Gregory Pratt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(Jim Spencer @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 06:14 PM) I sure wish the Sox had the Tiger's problems with pitching Verlander 11-3 Bonderman 10-2 Durbin 7-3 Miller 5-3 Grilli 5-2 Jones 27 saves Seay 2.96 ERA in 36 games and don't forget Zumaya will be back next month. I also wish the Sox had the Tiger's problems with hitting I'd taken the proven history of the durability of Garland/Buerhle/Vazquez over Verlander/Bonderman/Miller Durbin/Grilli/Seay/Jones are, for the long run not much better than McDougal/Jenks/Thorton. The little span from late May through June killed this team and I am not sure what happened. I also believe the AL Central is vastly overrated. This offseason none of the teams will improve themself except hopefully the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 27, 2007 Author Share Posted July 27, 2007 no comments on pods eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 I too have noticed when Pods plays, this team is better. I just cant convince myself of that. And his BA is one of the higher ones on the team, but ya i know, small sample size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan77 @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 05:35 PM) Twins lack pitching depth.. Santana,Garza,Lirano,Boonser...Man, That just sucks.. Santana - has one more year with twins and than is pitching for someone else. Garza - still young Boonser - 4.53 era and is 25 years old. Lirano - tommy john surgery, make take him a year to get back its good but its not unbeatble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 07:44 AM) I too have noticed when Pods plays, this team is better. I just cant convince myself of that. And his BA is one of the higher ones on the team, but ya i know, small sample size Outfield on days Podsednik is not in the lineup: Dye Owens Mack/Terrero With the fact that it took Owens until July to even figure out how to hit singles at the MLB level, the fact that Terrero is an excellent 4th or 5th OF as a defensive replacement, and the terrible season Mack was having, It's pretty darn easy to see why sticking a guy who can occasionally get singles and steal bases at a 50% clip might be useful. Esp. with Terrero now hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 This team would not suck total ass if they had a legitimate leadoff hitter. Believe it or not, if you plugged Kenny Lofton into this lineup at the beginning of the Season, the Sox would not be 10 games under and 14.5 GB right now. An above average and healthy leadoff man makes this team so much better, which is exactly why they need to part with Mr. Podsednik as soon as possible. The Sox are 6-2 in games in which Jerry Owens has at least 1 hit and 1 SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchtower41 Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(Jim Spencer @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 06:14 PM) I sure wish the Sox had the Tiger's problems with pitching Verlander 11-3 Bonderman 10-2 Durbin 7-3 Miller 5-3 Grilli 5-2 Jones 27 saves Seay 2.96 ERA in 36 games and don't forget Zumaya will be back next month. I also wish the Sox had the Tiger's problems with hitting 17th blown save of the season yesterday. Not too good right there.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michelangelosmonkey Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 08:27 PM) I'd taken the proven history of the durability of Garland/Buerhle/Vazquez over Verlander/Bonderman/Miller Durbin/Grilli/Seay/Jones are, for the long run not much better than McDougal/Jenks/Thorton. The little span from late May through June killed this team and I am not sure what happened. I also believe the AL Central is vastly overrated. This offseason none of the teams will improve themself except hopefully the Sox. Annointing Detroit's pitching seems crazy. Durbin is 30 and has been a 6.00 ERA guy for most of his career. Jones is FORTY and looks like he may be done (.282 BAA). Nate Robertson is old and smelly. Kenny Rogers is done. Even Bonderman has really only had this year where you would say he's great. Of course the Sox don't have anyone as good as Verlander. But that doesn't make them deep. Detroits winning because they are #1 in all of baseball for batting average, runs scored and slugging percent. And how long will that last? Magglio is 33 and having a career year. Shefield is 40. Ivan Rodriquez is 36. Carlos Guillen is 32. Polanco is 32. Brandon Inge is 30. If I was a Tiger fan I would be more nervous than a Sox fan (though I think they have a bunch of prospects coming up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 06:27 PM) I'd taken the proven history of the durability of Garland/Buerhle/Vazquez over Verlander/Bonderman/Miller Durbin/Grilli/Seay/Jones are, for the long run not much better than McDougal/Jenks/Thorton. The little span from late May through June killed this team and I am not sure what happened. I also believe the AL Central is vastly overrated. This offseason none of the teams will improve themself except hopefully the Sox. It's funny how people can turn "they lack the pitching depth that they had last year" into "their pitching isn't very good" strawman arguments. For the Tigers' sake, I hope that they're not going to be relying too heavily on Rogers, Robertson, Grilli, Rodney, or Jones next season. And LOL at the comment about Jones' 27 saves, while completely ignoring his age and horrible ERA and WHIP. QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 08:18 AM) Santana - has one more year with twins and than is pitching for someone else. Garza - still young Boonser - 4.53 era and is 25 years old. Lirano - tommy john surgery, make take him a year to get back its good but its not unbeatble. Nobody outside of Santana scares me. I like Bonser's upside, but he's still unproven. And I have to laugh at Carlos Silva and Scott Baker. Edited July 27, 2007 by WCSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(michelangelosmonkey @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 09:14 AM) Annointing Detroit's pitching seems crazy. Durbin is 30 and has been a 6.00 ERA guy for most of his career. Jones is FORTY and looks like he may be done (.282 BAA). Nate Robertson is old and smelly. Kenny Rogers is done. Even Bonderman has really only had this year where you would say he's great. Of course the Sox don't have anyone as good as Verlander. But that doesn't make them deep. Detroits winning because they are #1 in all of baseball for batting average, runs scored and slugging percent. And how long will that last? Magglio is 33 and having a career year. Shefield is 40. Ivan Rodriquez is 36. Carlos Guillen is 32. Polanco is 32. Brandon Inge is 30. If I was a Tiger fan I would be more nervous than a Sox fan (though I think they have a bunch of prospects coming up). Great post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 QUOTE(michelangelosmonkey @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 11:14 AM) Nate Robertson is old and smelly. Well stated. Brevity is the soul of wit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 28, 2007 Author Share Posted July 28, 2007 hey hey now 14-7 with pods even tho he nearly cost them the game today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 QUOTE(JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 10:12 PM) hey hey now 14-7 with pods even tho he nearly cost them the game today 7-2 when Jerry Owens gets on base and steals a bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 1-0 in games where I eat a meatball sub during the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 10:14 PM) 7-2 when Jerry Owens gets on base and steals a bag. 1-0 in games on the same day that we trade Tadahito Iguchi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 It's like raaaain on your wedding daaay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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